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Nikon D4 Users, are you using XQD??
Yamil Sued, Photographer, Photo Editor
Peoria | AZ | USA | Posted: 10:27 PM on 07.03.13
->> I would like to know thoughts on the XQD Cards. Who's using them? I've heard rumors that they're not really selling that much.

It's not that I don't like them, but I need two formats on the road like a hole in the head.

I would love to hear some feedback from those who use the D4 on a frequent basis since it was released.

Thanks
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David Seelig, Photographer
Hailey | ID | USA | Posted: 12:12 AM on 07.04.13
->> I have been getting the impression is that xqd is sonys new version of the betamax
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Michael Troutman, Photographer
Carmel | CA | USA | Posted: 12:18 AM on 07.04.13
->> XQD blows everything else away and I much prefer it. But unfortunately it does not seem to be getting any support except in the D4.

With 32 GB cards the extra slot is arguably superfluous these days anyway. Wish my D800E video rig shot XQD alongside my D4s...so all my spare cards are therefore 32 GB CFs (not XQD).

:0

I never shoot duplicate "back-up" 14-bit NEFs to the second card (or JPEGs for that matter...does the D4 even shoot JPEGs? *wink*). Would definitely prefer matching slots, however...grrrr.

Had a reader crap out on me after several months (Sony replaced it under warranty). YMMV.
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Preston Mack, Photographer
Orlando | FL | | Posted: 12:57 AM on 07.04.13
->> I love them. Fastest cards I have. Never had an issue. Hope it can survive.
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Yamil Sued, Photographer, Photo Editor
Peoria | AZ | USA | Posted: 12:57 AM on 07.04.13
->> Michael,

That is exactly my wish too, I wish the D4 had two CF Card Slots. My wish would be a D4sCF (with two CF Card Slots) as a replacement for the D4 and a Two CF Card Slot Conversion for existing D4 Bodies. I have enough CF Cards to cover me for the time being, but I do miss the Double CF Card Slots. When I'm in the Middle of a Match I'm not always keeping up with how much space I have left on the card and I like to have my second card to overflow. I know I can do this with XQD, but I really don't like the idea of going on location or on travel and having to take two of everything like two kinds of cards and readers.

Anyone else out there actually "Likes" the XQD more than CF?
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Yamil Sued, Photographer, Photo Editor
Peoria | AZ | USA | Posted: 1:07 AM on 07.04.13
->> Preston,

There is no doubt that XQD is faster, I just don't find them practical for my purposes.

Thanks for your insights though.
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David Harpe, Photographer
Denver | CO | USA | Posted: 3:30 AM on 07.04.13
->> XQD is impractical

Cost/mb is much higher vs SDXC, you usually have to order cards out of town because no one stocks them, you need a special reader to do the transfer unless you tether your camera. The speed advantage just doesn't make up for all of those shortcomings.
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Debra L Rothenberg, Photographer
New York | NY | USA | Posted: 7:45 AM on 07.04.13
->> this was the main reason I opted out of buying the D4. I wanted proof that the new card wasn't going to be like betamax. I shoot to both cards everyday so I will still use my D3/3s and I picked up a 600
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David Harpe, Photographer
Denver | CO | USA | Posted: 9:46 AM on 07.04.13
->> I'm with ya. I did the same thing.

I test drove a D4 and while it was a really nice camera, giving up a slot to XQD just wasn't worth it (I usually shoot RAW+JPEG on separate cards). I stayed with my D3/D3s and bought a D800.
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Yamil Sued, Photographer, Photo Editor
Peoria | AZ | USA | Posted: 11:48 AM on 07.04.13
->> Thanks for the feedback guys. You either love it or hate it, there's no in between.

I would love a Two CF Card D4 or a conversion for existing D4's.

Please keep the feedback doming, I'm really interested in hearing those who have been using the D4 since it was released.
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Michael Troutman, Photographer
Carmel | CA | USA | Posted: 12:41 PM on 07.04.13
->> Well, I just bought my third one and XQD is truly a non-issue for me. In fact, the D4 is *so amazingly good* that I'm thinking of selling my D3X now (never thought I'd part with my D3S). I got my first one the week they came out last year; it really took a while to appreciate how much better it is than D3-series cameras. It's not any one thing...it's *everything*. Plus the 14-bit files are simply out of this world and respond SO well when being pushed around in LR. Best. Camera. Ever.

I think the D4 is not only a better overall camera but also a better studio camera than the D3X or even the D800E (which I've dedicated almost entirely for video anyway). But don't take my word for it:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vDcpcZVPW6w

Everyone has different sensibilities of course, but denying yourself a D4 primarily based on the fact that it has a XQD slot seems really limiting to me. But I understand the resistance and I'd personally prefer matching (XQD or CF) slots, too; you'll have to wait for the D4X, Yamil (if you're lucky lol). In a related example, one of my assistants was raging against the GoPro Hero3 Black Edition (which I recently got) because it uses Micro SD (he hates the format and already has a Hero2). Then he saw and started editing my Hero3 files...

Again, YMMV.
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Michael Clark, Photographer
Santa Fe | NM | USA | Posted: 12:57 PM on 07.04.13
->> The XQD cards were the reason I bought the D4 because it allows me to shoot up to 115 RAW images at 11 fps without the camera locking up. For the adventure sports photography I do it is the only camera on the market that can keep shooting for 10 seconds or more, which allows me to capture the action - especially for sports like surfing, skiing or BASE jumping where it can go on for a while.

I don't know why XQD isn't being integrated into more cameras - seems rather sad since these cards are more compact, faster and easier to deal with than either SD or CF cards in my opinion.
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Michael Troutman, Photographer
Carmel | CA | USA | Posted: 1:12 PM on 07.04.13
->> I thought you were already shooting D4s Yamil...no?
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Matt Cashore, Photographer
South Bend | IN | USA | Posted: 2:26 PM on 07.04.13
->> Betamax was by every measure--on paper and to the eyeball--better than VHS. It lost because VHS was ubiquitous and Betamax was...not. You could say the same for DAT & MiniDisc.

Yeah, 110 .NEFs at a pop is unquestionably good, but I'm not carrying two separate card readers. Yep, it's the size of a deck of cards and a tenth the weight. Don't care. I want less crap in my bag not more.

So while there were several reasons I hated the D4 it was the XQD card that sealed the (no) deal. Precedent says the D4-X, S, N-whatever is six-ish months away from being announced, so here's hoping they ditch XQD.

I'll come around if and when I see combo card readers include a native (no adapter required) XQD slot.
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Michael Fischer, Photographer
Spencer | Ia | USA | Posted: 4:17 PM on 07.04.13
->> Matt, VHS won because it could have a long recording time because of the larger cassette and that swung the electronics companies to the VHS camp.

Fast forward to the XQD question. Yes, the format has some serious advantages and some disadvantages that right now negate the advantages for many. The lack of support for the technology by other photo companies so far is telling.

I'm guessing Nikon has a XQD slot because of the relationship that already exist with Sony. The cost of XQD is probably because the volume is low and because it's Sony's - and since there's no competition - the price will be higher.

Unless Sony can convince other camera companies the long term prognosis probably isn't good. I don't think Canon will jump into it unless Pro demand is high - otherwise they are helping Sony and by default - Nikon.
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Michael Troutman, Photographer
Carmel | CA | USA | Posted: 5:09 PM on 07.04.13
->> Well Matt, at least they fixed the green LCD color cast we were talking about a year and a half ago. And it turns out that a solution to all the control button changes (which you were so critical of) is to simply dump all the old D3-series stuff.

;0)

Seriously, having done so (well, except for the D3X, and I'm not sure what that camera does for me anymore now) there is no question in my mind that the control layout and functionality is MUCH better on the D4. When I pick up the D3X it just feels like the controls are not optimal (and of course it's a slug). I don't want to rehash an old discussion however.

I think the shocking thing is that (AFAIK) *none* of Sony's cameras use XQD. Still.

That's stunning.
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Yamil Sued, Photographer, Photo Editor
Peoria | AZ | USA | Posted: 6:14 PM on 07.04.13
->> Michael,

Sent you a private Response, but yes, Been working with a D4 for a little bit.
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Chuck Liddy, Photographer, Photo Editor
PLANET | EARTH | | Posted: 11:54 PM on 07.05.13
->> I love my QXD cards. I'm checking to see if I can marry them .......
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David Harpe, Photographer
Denver | CO | USA | Posted: 2:30 AM on 07.06.13
->> It's also quite troubling...

...that to date only one still camera has XQD even though it's been over a year and a half since the spec was finalized. Sony helped develop the XQD format and even they haven't released a still camera that uses it (although they have announced their first product to use it - the PMW-300 video camera).

Sandisk has said they won't make XQD cards - they're backing CFast 2.0 along with Canon. CFast 2.0 is SATA-3-based - which has advantages when building readers vs. the PCIe-based XQD format.
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Martin McNeil, Photographer
London | London | United Kingdom | Posted: 3:35 AM on 07.06.13
->> Lexar now make XQD cards up to 64GB and yeah, you pay a premium for them when compared to CF cards of the same density.

Example: Lexar 1000x 64GB CF is currently £279.99 on Amazon UK; the 1100x 64GB XQD is £375.

Getting to the topic: would I have preferred that the D4 retained the dual CF slot design of the D3 series? Yes... but I'm not going to worry or stress about it.

We'll know the future of XQD when the next iteration of pro level Nikon and Sony cameras are released, especially the D4x and whatever Sony replaces the α99 with.
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Yamil Sued, Photographer, Photo Editor
Peoria | AZ | USA | Posted: 11:06 AM on 07.06.13
->> Thanks for the Tech Info David.

One detail I noticed is that the Sony XQD reader WILL NOT run on a Powered USB Hub, it needs to be plugged directly into the Computer. I just guessed it needed more power to run.

I'm definitely NOT a computer person.

BTW, I was told by Hoodman that they won't get into the XQD Bandwagon either, they were waiting to see if anyone else would adopt them. I guess they did a wise decision.
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