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Lightroom Question
Michael Myers, Photographer
Miami | Florida | USA | Posted: 7:52 PM on 06.15.13
->> I don't think there is a good answer to this, but maybe....

For as long as I can remember, I've used Windows for photo organizing (along with Photoshop for editing). I'd like to try to start off this year with Lightroom, and have LR5 installed on my new laptop.

I plan to visit India in a few months, and will be there for half a year. My intent is to import all new photos into LR on the laptop, and use that for organizing, viewing, editing, exporting to email, exporting to SmugMug, and exporting to images I pass on to others. I'm pretty sure that this will work fine, at least until I return, as long as I stick with it and don't fall back into my old habit of using Windows...

When I return though, I've got my desktop PC with multi-years worth of images, no LR (yet), and all the new photos to add.

I can't think of a good way to copy all my photos over to the desktop. The only answer I can think of, is to install LR on the desktop, and copy everything from the laptop (pictures and catalog) into a similar LR setup on the desktop. That would work, but it would leave me with about 7 year's worth of images organized by Windows, and the new photos organized by LR. I'd rather have it all together..... somehow.

Another option would be to install LR on the desktop, import all the 7 years worth of old images, and then add the new ones from the laptop.... I guess that would work, but I'd have 7 years worth of images in an LR catalog on the desktop, and need to find a way to combine the new images from the laptop, along with the catalog? I'm not even sure this is possible.

This would continue to be an issue for the future - when I make trips, I'll have my new stuff on the laptop in LR, along with a catalog, but then need to add all of it to my desktop.


Is this a dead-end street, or is there a safe way to do this? There's probably a perfectly simple way to do this, that I'm not seeing.
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Jim Burgess, Photographer
Gainesville | FL | US | Posted: 8:16 AM on 06.16.13
->> What you want to do is usually accomplished using LR's "Export as Catalog..." and "Import from Another Catalog..." features on the file menu.

Your "option would be to install LR on the desktop, import all the 7 years worth of old images, and then add the new ones from the laptop..." is the way to go.
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Greg Francis, Photographer
Rochester | NY | USA | Posted: 8:33 AM on 06.16.13
->> I received a Wormhole Switch for Christmas, didn't think i'd use it, but I tried it, works like a charm moving files between PC's

http://j5create.com/ws.htm
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Ben Mackey, Photographer
Columbia | MD | USA | Posted: 10:26 AM on 06.17.13
->> What is wrong with your old habit of using Windows? Why don't you use the same file organization you're used to on your desktop on the laptop you will travel with? Simply copy the files to the right folders and then just do an import into LR without copying. Then when you get home, copy the original files into your existing folder/directory structure, and follow Jim's suggestion to export/import the LR catalog from your laptop to the desktop.

Once everything from the trip is on your desktop, then import the 7 years of older stuff into LR.

Also, be sure to take a couple of external drives to back everything up. It will simplify getting everything onto your desktop when you return too. Just plug the external into your desktop and copy everything over.
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Michael Myers, Photographer
Miami | Florida | USA | Posted: 10:24 PM on 06.18.13
->> Fascinating.

First, I never heard of the "wormhole" devices. Amazing. I'll add them to my next order from BHPhoto.

The export/import catalog might be what I was trying to find. If I have Lightroom on both Desktop and Laptop, presumably I can go to the laptop and "export as catalog" to a large drive, then move the drive to the desktop, and do "import from another catalog", and my Lightroom editing (and photos?????) will be copied? If so, I think that's my answer. Or did you mean to do that, along with copying over the photos using Windows?

Ben, I'm trying to understand how what you wrote fits here. Yes, I will use the same file organization on the laptop as I use on the desktop, so yes, I can easily copy the entire "photo" folder from laptop to desktop, and all the new images will fit into the right place. That part is easy. I think what you're saying, is that I need to do both this, and the export/import to get the desktop's catalog updated. That sounds logical.

(As for backups, I learned my lessons ages ago - I always have the images on the laptop, a "Windows backup" of the laptop, and just to be safe, I do a full Windows copy of my "Photos" folder to two separate USB hard drives. I figure that means I have the "originals" plus three backups, spread between the laptop and two separate hard drives.)
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Michael Myers, Photographer
Miami | Florida | USA | Posted: 10:26 PM on 06.18.13
->> If I can add one more question here, I remember how so many people at Sportsshooter used to find the program "Photo Mechanic" very useful. Is that still the case, now that Lightroom does so much?

Do people here feel there is a need for both (or three, if one includes Photoshop), or is Lightroom "enough".
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Carl Auer, Photographer
Arvada | CO | USA | Posted: 10:38 PM on 06.18.13
->> Michael, I use PhotoMechanic and Lightroom and I use PhotoMechanic and Photoshop. When I am at a event, I scan the cards in PhotoMechanic and just copy the images I am sending out live, open them in Photoshop for basic editing and then send them back to PhotoMechanic to send out via FTP or email. Then afterwards when I download all the images and my personal shoots, I ingest them with PhotoMechanic, use it to go through to tag my junk images and delete them. I will add general keywords and captions at this time. I then import them into Lightroom and edit anything there that I want to put in my online archive (PhotoShelter). I find that PhotoMechanic/Photoshop is great for speed.
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Robert Herrera, Photographer, Assistant
Lakeland | FL | United States | Posted: 2:08 AM on 06.19.13
->> "If I have Lightroom on both Desktop and Laptop, presumably I can go to the laptop and "export as catalog" to a large drive, then move the drive to the desktop, and do "import from another catalog", and my Lightroom editing (and photos?????) will be copied?"

Yes, photos with edits.
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Jim Burgess, Photographer
Gainesville | FL | US | Posted: 7:39 AM on 06.19.13
->> Michael--regarding PhotoMechanic-- IMO it won't add anything to your workflow on your trip. PM's greatest asset is speed when ingesting, tagging and exporting images on deadline. I'm guessing that is not your situation in India so PM would only add cost ($150) and additional effort & complexity to what you want to do.

LR will do all you need to do on a trip like you describe above.
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Ben Mackey, Photographer
Columbia | MD | USA | Posted: 10:22 AM on 06.19.13
->> Michael -

You read my posting correctly.

Some people new to LR jump right in and use copy while importing (I think that is the default setting). That puts everything into a file structure of Adobe's making and my brain works differently from theirs. Since you already have 7 years of organizing things your way, I wanted to warn you away from the one click copy/import action.

Simply click on add at the top of the import window instead of copy. You only have to do this once the first time you import. Another thing you only have to do once (a year) is set up your copyright info. That is in the import window - look for Apply During Import/Metadata/New.

I also make heavy use of LR's keyword feature when I import anything. Then LR's search feature makes it a snap to find shots of a particular subject.
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Michael Myers, Photographer
Miami | Florida | USA | Posted: 9:05 PM on 06.19.13
->> Jim - thanks! I've never used or even seen PhotoMechanic, and when I'm overseas, I have all the time I want - no rushing. I'll skip the PhotoMechanic until when/if things change for me.

Robert - thanks - will plan on doing this when I return (after doing backups of everything, just in case!!). :-)

Ben - I think you answered a question I hadn't even asked yet - when I import photos to LR using "copy" (as from my memory card) strange things seem to happen, that I then have to fix. When I tried it what I thought was the wrong way, using Windows to put the photos where I wanted, and then doing an import using "add", everything seemed to go much better for me.

Thanks also for the other information - I haven't yet tried the "copyright" feature. I'm doing that right now, with information I'm getting from:
http://laurashoe.com/2012/01/02/have-you-created-your-2012-metadata-copyrig.../

Thanks for the reminder!!! I kept putting this off, as I wasn't sure how to do it.
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Darren Whitley, Photographer
Northwest Missouri | MO | USA | Posted: 9:32 AM on 06.20.13
->> I use Photo Mechanic on deadline. And I use LR for organization and cataloging after the fact. I've have set my preferences in PM to use the Adobe color codes. Lightroom is really not quite fast enough when working on deadline. It wants to re-RENDER every photo to suit itself the same as Adobe Bridge. Photo Mechanic uses the embedded jpeg and blazes through everything much faster.

I'm not sure I understand the original question, but you could just move your images and .lrcat files over to an NTFS-formatted drive so your Windows machine can access the same information. You will need to purchase Tuxera-NTFS for your Mac so you can write to an NTFS formatted drive. I'd recommend using an external drive(s) and just going that route.
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Michael Myers, Photographer
Miami | Florida | USA | Posted: 9:03 AM on 06.21.13
->> Darren, I think my original question is answered. I haven't tried it yet, but I'm satisfied for now to know that it "can be done". I expect to find out for myself next February. :-)


Also, you wrote "Lightroom is really not quite fast enough when working on deadline. It wants to re-RENDER every photo to suit itself the same as Adobe Bridge. Photo Mechanic uses the embedded jpeg and blazes through everything much faster."

While watching the Lightroom training videos over the past few days, Laura Shoe showed how rendering (that takes so long) can be controlled. Lightroom can either do it automatically for all the photos you are importing, which will take a long time, or it won't do it at all until you click on an image to work with. This page on her website has two videos - she explains this at the seven minute mark in the first video:
http://laurashoe.com/2012/03/08/getting-started-with-lightroom-3-or-lightro.../

Thanks to your comment, I did some more searching, and also found this:
http://laurashoe.com/2010/01/04/why-do-i-see-my-images-change-after-they-ar.../


Apparently one can make Lightroom "faster", but not as fast as PhotoMechanic. If I'm ever in a hurry again, I think I'll try out PhotoMechanic - hopefully they let people download a trial version.

I'm retired now, so "lack of time" issues are mostly a distant memory. I'm still in 'kindergarten' when it comes to Lightroom, but I'm slowly catching on.
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Michael Myers, Photographer
Miami | Florida | USA | Posted: 1:50 PM on 07.03.13
->> Advice needed...

I just got back from a one-week trip, and for the first time shot in 'raw'. I've got 25 gigs worth of photos.

When I visit India in a couple of months, I'm going to be there for six months, and I can see my laptop's hard drive being overwhelmed by all the photos.


For those of you who have done something like this, is there any disadvantage to firing up Lightroom, and moving my entire photo gallery from the laptop's hard disk, to an external drive? I can pick up a 1.5 or 2 TB Western Digital USB3 drive for a reasonable price, and keep all my photos there.

Are there any reasons not to do this?

If I fire up Lightroom with the drive disconnected, will it simply inform me that the drive is missing, or will it cause any problems?
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Brian Garfinkel, Photographer, Assistant
Philadelphia | PA | United States | Posted: 2:26 PM on 07.03.13
->> Michael,

Lightroom will work fine when you load images onto an external hard drive but it will be slower than if you had them on your primary one. There is a good short video on Adobe's website describing the new "Smart Preview" feature that may be helpful.

http://www.adobe.com/products/photoshop-lightroom/features.html

If you are in Lightroom without the hard drive connected and without Smart Preview lightroom will alert you that those specific files are not available.

-Brian
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Ben Mackey, Photographer
Columbia | MD | USA | Posted: 4:59 PM on 07.03.13
->> Michael,

Brian is right about things being slower loading from an external drive. My workflow is to copy my cards to the laptop's harddrive, import (using add, not copy) into LR 0 this includes letting the previews build from the internal drive, then moving the folders containing the raw files from the laptop to external drives. While you can select shots after they've been moved, you won't be able to edit files on external drives unless the right drive is connected and LR knows where the raw files are located.

Here's how to tell LR when the files are after you delete them from the laptop. Simply view the LR catalog in grid view (g is the keyboard shortcut) and click on the question mark in the upper right hand corner of an image. You'll get a pop up that reads "xxx.NEF” could not be used because the original file could not be found." Click on locate and navigate your directory structure to find that file. Click on the "Find missing nearby photos" button and once LR crunches through everything, you can edit that entire catalog from the external drive.

While this keeps your raw files from clogging the laptop, the LR catalog file (including previews) will grow as you do import more and more during your trip. That folder can also move to an external drive but then LR will slow down. Be sure your external drives have the fastest interface your laptop can handle.

Forgot to mention earlier that if you want to post to Photoshelter, there is a LR plugin that lets you export jpegs directly to Photoshelter. The plugin works in LR3 and LR4, I haven't tried it in LR5 yet. If the weather stinks this weekend, I'll upgrade and give it a try.
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Jack Kurtz, Photographer
Bangkok | Bangkok | Thailand | Posted: 9:18 PM on 07.03.13
->> Using LR is about 1) organization, 2) organization and 3) organization. If you manage photos in LR, you'll be in great shape. If you import photos into LR and then start using the finder or other applications to move them around, you're creating a lot of busy work for yourself.

I think there's an easier way for LR to keep track of files on an external drive. I also usually start on my internal drive (a SSD and much faster than my external drives) but then move my photos to an external drive when I'm done with the immediate edit.

When you set up your LR library, set up folders for raw files on your internal drive and external drive. Those folders will show up in the Folders section of the pane on the right side of the LR screen.

Import your photos to your internal drive. Do your edit. When you're done with the edit but still in LR, click on the folder your photos are in and drag that folder to the raw files folder you created on your external drive.

Now LR will remember where your photos are and you don't have to use LR to reconnect to missing raw files, which can be very time consuming.

The latest version of LR export plug in for PhotoShelter does work for LR5. It is outstanding. If you export your photos to PS through the plug in, LR remembers where your photos and links to them. You can update your IPTC info in LR and then synchronize your LR to PS and the IPTC info will be updated in PS. It's brilliant.
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Michael Myers, Photographer
Miami | Florida | USA | Posted: 1:29 AM on 07.04.13
->> Thanks for all of the advice. Very helpful. I learned many lessons last year, and am now doing ALL the file manipulation in Lightroom, which means it will know where the files are no matter what I do.

I hadn't thought of the idea of importing everything to the hard drive, then using Lightroom to "move" folders to the external (USB 3) drive after I finished working with them, but that might be the ideal compromise for me. (It's a Lenovo laptop though, and maybe I'll get the kit that allows me to install a second large drive in the drive bay that now holds a CD/DVD burner...).

I don't know anything about "Smart Preview" (yet), but will go over that tomorrow. If there's no "penalty" for setting up Smart Preview, maybe I'll do that anyway.... once I figure out what it is and does.


Ben, you mentioned "letting the previews build". Do you guys use "standard" or "minimal"? I started using "standard", but it takes far too long - and why build previews for files that will soon be deleted? If I take 100 shots, a minimum of a third will be scrapped very quickly.


One thing I know I did wrong, but don't understand how to do it better yet - on the small laptop I took to Colorado, it has my copy of LR4 installed, and I used it while away. When I returned, I copied the whole folder structure from the laptop to my other PC, but couldn't figure out how to "copy over" the catalog file - and since the path to the photos on the PC was different than the path on the laptop, I really didn't know where to start.
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