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You thought ref ass was a pain
Michael McNamara, Photographer, Photo Editor
Phoenix | AZ | USA | Posted: 7:50 PM on 05.17.13
->> A great read from a wedding photographer.

http://coreyann.com/blog/corey-talks/corey-talks-why-you-should-have-an-unp...
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Jim Colburn, Photographer
Omaha | NE | USA | Posted: 10:00 PM on 05.17.13
->> "Ref ass"?
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Eric Canha, Photographer
Brockton | MA | United States | Posted: 10:28 PM on 05.17.13
->> Okay.... Some of those I have to put on the photographer. If you KNOW in advance that you aren't going to be allowed in the sanctuary, put in a remote or two... Think things through well in advance.

As for the blown out shots from guest flashes.... a simple 3-5 fps burst will most likely get you a frame in between the guests snapping away. And as for the formals, yes time is ALWAYS an issue. Give the guests 30 seconds to get their shot and then step in explain that you are going to get yours and 90% of the time everyone will cooperate with you rather than fight you. Not always but it will be far and few between the number of guests or family that will work against you.

I don't do weddings anymore (15 years is enough for anyone). Last year I shook off 5 years of rust to shoot a wedding for A WEDDING PHOTOGRAPHER. The wedding was 100's of miles away. I didn't know the church, any of the portrait locations, or the reception hall. We (my wife and I) scouted the church, I setup a remote, brought in a ladder, shot the empty church and during the rehearsal to get the sight-lines dialed in. Spoke to the 'church lady' AND the priest. Nothing was left to chance. I had a plan A. and a plan B. and a plan C. for anything that could happen at the church. Plan C was a body mounted on a monopod to Hail Mary a shot in the case I got cut off in the isle.

Sorry but in my book you get paid to know how to deal with these situations not to take photos to cover your ass later.
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Tod Gomes, Photographer, Assistant
Pleasant Hill | CA | USA | Posted: 10:28 PM on 05.17.13
->> Is ref ass the same as sound guy ass? This blog post is going around. Saw it on a couple of other message boards too.
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Chuck Liddy, Photographer, Photo Editor
PLANET | EARTH | | Posted: 11:05 AM on 05.18.13
->> "These are just two of the hundreds of images of the wedding processional that I’ve had ruined from a camera flash"....
seriously? This poor girl needs to find another line of work. Like Eric, I do weddings infrequently, but people shooting stuff with their cell phones, ipads, point and shoots or prosumer cameras are a fact of life....and not just for weddings. we have to deal with this on most everyday assignments nowadays... if you can't work around these issues you're doomed.
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Delane B. Rouse, Photographer, Photo Editor
Washington | DC | US | Posted: 7:02 PM on 05.18.13
->> I think some of you are missing the point...the couple hired a professional to capture the day and the moments. Furthermore, these specific images are posted primarily to illustrate the worst case scenario. It wouldn't be much of a story if all the images were perfect would it?

No one is saying that the professional that was hired shouldn't have several options.

We got married in 2008 and discussed having someone collect cell phones and other cameras before the ceremony. I think we did have an announcement, even then as my wife was walking up the aisle *I* had to "psssssst" someone so they would sit down and stop taking pictures. If I was getting married today there is NO DOUBT that we would find some classy way to eliminate (ok..reduce) having the professional we hired fro getting photo bombed.
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Jim Colburn, Photographer
Omaha | NE | USA | Posted: 7:41 PM on 05.18.13
->> Seriously. Ref Ass?
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Tom Gannam, Photographer
St. Louis | MO | USA | Posted: 6:25 PM on 05.19.13
->> Seriously, Ref Ass. A fairly common malady suffered by those who shoot hockey from ice level. It would seem that that there is some unnatural attraction of the ref's ass to the holes in the glass. Maybe its a weird vacuum thing.
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Randy Sartin, Photographer, Assistant
Knoxville | TN | USA | Posted: 8:29 PM on 05.19.13
->> I shoot a fair number of weddings and wanted to respond earlier, but thankfully Eric has said exactly what I was going to say.

You can not control everything, but if you know what you are doing and are willing to communicate with people you can control a lot :).
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Craig Mitchelldyer, Photographer, Assistant
Portland | OR | USA | Posted: 9:01 PM on 05.19.13
->> I shoot a lot of weddings...a lot. (Even Delane's aforementioned event in 2008!) I have a completely opposite view of this from the many stories I have been seeing pop up about this. I say, more power to them!

Guests are there to have fun, they want to take pictures for facebook and instagram, or whatever. I have seen people post hashtags at wedding encouraging people to post images to the thread and its a creative and fun way to get guests involved and see many angels from many cameras.

Our job as photographers is to document the event. Not to try and control the guests and make them not use their cameras, phones, etc. We are just vendors. they are people who are important to the couple. We are there to do a job, and we can move. If someone is on the way, I move over. It's my job to anticipate these things and put myself in a spot no one else can block me or get.

Maybe I should write a blog post about this, but I say..more power to them. Everyone bring a camera! I'll still do my job just fine.
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Jim Colburn, Photographer
Omaha | NE | USA | Posted: 11:02 PM on 05.19.13
->> Thanks Tom.
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Rod Mar, Photographer
Seattle | WA | USA | Posted: 12:48 AM on 05.20.13
->> I'm with Craig. It's a wedding. A celebration of family and friends. Come one, shoot all.
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Nic Coury, Photographer
Monterey | CA | | Posted: 1:17 AM on 05.20.13
->> I've had the pleasure of assisting Craig and I'm on board with him and Rod. Craig is top=notch when shooting weddings and his work shows.

Maybe because I come from the editorial world of daily journalism, but I feel like this is a cop-out. Sure it sucks when people get in your way, but that no excuse to produce quality work. In EVERY situation there are factors you can't control and you can't tell those factors to get out of the way and move to better your photo.

If nothing else, maybe in a very professional, courteous way just ask the aisle guests to be conscious of your shooting and say, "Hey, just want you folks to be aware that I want to get this shot, etc." Or just shoot it another way that makes the shot.

In whatever you do, do it with cordial professionalism.
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Corey Perrine, Photographer
Naples | FL | USA | Posted: 1:24 AM on 05.20.13
->> For the masses or minority who don't know what ref @$$ is.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bl2Dq9_oAkM
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Corey Perrine, Photographer
Naples | FL | USA | Posted: 1:25 AM on 05.20.13
->> http://www.sportsshooter.com/message_display.html?tid=27079
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Jacob Langston, Photographer
Orlando | FL | | Posted: 8:17 AM on 05.20.13
->> This is why I love The Craig. I've never met him, but I follow him here and on The Facebook. He never makes excuses and truely loves what he does.

He is the happiest guy that I know (or don't know).

I'm buying that guy many beers or coffee if he ever comes to Orlando.
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Sam Santilli, Photographer, Photo Editor
Philippi | WV | USA | Posted: 2:34 PM on 05.20.13
->> A combination of an unprepared wedding shooter and a few rude people...pretty typical combo every Sat in the spring wedding season. Do not complain, over come, adapt, get the job done...that is why you are getting paid.
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Keith Simonian, Photographer
Martinez | CA | USA | Posted: 5:08 PM on 05.20.13
->> Having photographed more than a few weddings myself I can understand some of the photographer's concerns.
I've never concerned myself with flash from guest's cameras or phones. It's just not a problem.

Where the real problem can occur is at a church wedding. Each photographer is forced to pay for the sins of the previous photographers.
That can mean very limited access to the wedding ceremony. Some churches will only allow the photographer in the center aisle behind the last guest.
Some churches will only allow the photographer in the center aisle at the entrance door.
If someone blocks your shot in the aisle, you are screwed. It's nice to say you captured what happened during the day and that included
the guests standing in the aisle.
It sure may be the truth, but it certainly won't get you a referral from the couple.

I'm sure most here have seen this Nokia wedding commercial. At some weddings it's only a slight exaggeration.

Do you think those guests are worried about the paid photographer who is standing behind them?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z19vR1GldRI
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Craig Mitchelldyer, Photographer, Assistant
Portland | OR | USA | Posted: 7:17 PM on 05.30.13
->> My rebuttal to the unplugged wedding posts I have seen a lot of lately. I say plug it in!!

http://blog.craigmitchelldyer.com/2013/05/30/unplugged-wedding-no-way-plug-.../
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Ken Blaze, Photographer
Cleveland | OH | USA | Posted: 9:34 PM on 05.30.13
->> Thanks for rebutting this Craig. I feel the same.
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Doug Holleman, Photographer
Belton | TX | USA | Posted: 9:48 PM on 05.30.13
->> " I encourage you all to capture how it feels with your hearts, without the distraction of technology."

HA! Good luck with that, these days.
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Chuck Liddy, Photographer, Photo Editor
PLANET | EARTH | | Posted: 12:25 AM on 05.31.13
->> Craig!!!! You da man!!!!!
These folks need to quit whining and do their damn job.
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