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Instagram turned their terms of service into a rights grab
Michael McNamara, Photographer, Photo Editor
Phoenix | AZ | USA | Posted: 6:40 PM on 12.17.12
->> http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2012/12/how-to-download-your-instagram-photo.../
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Sid Hastings, Photographer, Photo Editor
St. Louis | MO | United States | Posted: 6:57 PM on 12.17.12
->> And there's this:

http://www.buzzfeed.com/mattbuchanan/youre-officially-for-sale-on-instagram...

With this update both Instagram and Facebook will have very similar ToS language regarding reuse of images posted to their sites. Not surprising, since Facebook bought Instagram.

For me, it seems hard to maintain your copyright on images posted to either of those services, given the language in the ToS. For what it's worth I post photos elsewhere, then put links on Facebook.
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Kent Nishimura, Student/Intern, Photographer
Honolulu | HI | USA | Posted: 7:06 PM on 12.17.12
->> apparently, the new TOS takes effect 1/16/2013 and will only affect your photos from then on.
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Jim Colburn, Photographer
Omaha | NE | USA | Posted: 7:18 PM on 12.17.12
->> Oh boy! Free pictures!

(Sorry, I was thinking like an Instagram executive)
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Mark Loundy, Photo Editor
San Jose | CA | USA | Posted: 9:17 PM on 12.17.12
->> This will inevitably be the case with any social media site. They can't monetize without owning your stuff and they can't remain in business without monetizing.

--Mark
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Darren Carroll, Photographer
Cedar Creek (Austin) | TX | USA | Posted: 9:21 PM on 12.17.12
->> I may just beat G.J. to it if I hurry...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T1DEG6BWgp0
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Andrew Knapik, Photographer, Assistant
Lincoln Park | MI | USA | Posted: 9:53 PM on 12.17.12
->> I would love to get Brad Mangin's thoughts on this, seeing he has used Instagram a ton - and has been published doing so!
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G.J. McCarthy, Photographer
Dallas | TX | US | Posted: 10:37 PM on 12.17.12
->> DC -- nicely done and a great reference to one of my favorite movies.
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Grover Sanschagrin, Photographer, Photo Editor
San Francisco | CA | USA | Posted: 12:40 AM on 12.18.12
->> The future looks bright for advertising!

It starts here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=euDlcNQDUYw

And ends here!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0YSBuw3i0g

:-)
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Doug Pizac, Photographer
Sandy | UT | USA | Posted: 10:48 AM on 12.18.12
->> Here's the newest rape and pillage story on every photographer's right to own and market their pictures.

http://news.cnet.com/8301-13578_3-57559710-38/instagram-says-it-now-has-the.../

So much for licensing, model releases, etc. And what happens when a customer orders a 5x7, scans it, posts it on the website whereupon it is marketed without the photographer's knowledge, permission and payment to?

In my case, I have a clause on all my sales forms and invoices that posting any of the images on social networks is strictly forbidden and doing so is a willful violation of the copyright law. I should probably add DMCA too.
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Robert Caplin, Photographer
New York/Barcelona | Worldwide | | Posted: 12:26 PM on 12.18.12
->> grover, i just watched 5 videos of that guy eating food. amazing.
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Mark Kauzlarich, Photographer, Student/Intern
Madison | WI | | Posted: 12:47 PM on 12.18.12
->> Ben Lowy of iLibya fame just shut down his Instagram feed, as did another famed reportagé photographer, David S. Holloway.

Sad, because its guys like them, and folks like Charlie Dharapak of AP in DC and others, that made Instagram great for me.
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Ian L. Sitren, Photographer
Palm Springs | CA | USA | Posted: 1:07 PM on 12.18.12
->> I just deleted my Instagram profile. Between my blog, my website, my archive, Facebook and occasional Twitter and Linkedin, that's enough! I never found Instagram that compelling or special.
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Nic Coury, Photographer
Monterey | CA | | Posted: 2:29 PM on 12.18.12
->> @Caplin, here's another one for you then:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGkHRa64sDY
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Andrew Knapik, Photographer, Assistant
Lincoln Park | MI | USA | Posted: 2:39 PM on 12.18.12
->> I think I just got sick watching the second video posted by Grover. I was wondering near the end if he was gonna clean up the droppings - and he did not disappoint.
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Peter Buehner, Photographer
Orono | ME | USA | Posted: 3:14 PM on 12.18.12
->> FYI, according to this post, Instagram already laid claim to rights..this new policy just makes it more transparent.

http://connect.dpreview.com/post/9262192527/what-you-need-to-kn0w-instagram
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Sam Morris, Photographer
Henderson (Las Vegas) | NV | USA | Posted: 3:42 PM on 12.18.12
->> A slideshow with other professionals chiming in on the new TOS

http://lightbox.time.com/2012/12/18/unfiltered-photographers-react-to-insta...
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Frank Niemeir, Photographer
Woodstock | GA | usa | Posted: 4:54 PM on 12.18.12
->> "Instagram Responds: 'We Hear You' "

http://mashable.com/2012/12/18/instagram-heard-you
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Ian L. Sitren, Photographer
Palm Springs | CA | USA | Posted: 5:40 PM on 12.18.12
->> Hey Grover!

That is why when I go for fast food I only go to Carl's!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IcricI2H4dE

Not one instagram at all!
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Jim Colburn, Photographer
Omaha | NE | USA | Posted: 6:10 PM on 12.18.12
->> Excuse me, I have to go find a Carl's Jr...
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G.J. McCarthy, Photographer
Dallas | TX | US | Posted: 6:15 PM on 12.18.12
->> Glad to know I'm not the only one who watched the ENTIRE thing of that guy eating the Taco Bell ... as well as his other fine video productions.

Good stuff, Grover -- thanks for sharing. With men like that in America, the terrorists will never truly win.
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Jim Colburn, Photographer
Omaha | NE | USA | Posted: 7:05 PM on 12.18.12
->> This is NOT about the article, it's about the photo credit on the second photo in this story. It's the first one I've seen.

http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2012/12/body-armor-backpack-sandy-hook-sale...
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Paul W Gillespie, Photographer
Annapolis | MD | USA | Posted: 12:05 AM on 12.19.12
->> I feel like some tacos. I don't instagram and now I will never instagram. I try not to even post meaningful images to facebook, at least not high rez ones.
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Chuck Liddy, Photographer, Photo Editor
PLANET | EARTH | | Posted: 1:11 AM on 12.19.12
->> Snapseed. save to your photo library. done
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Jack Kurtz, Photographer
Bangkok | Bangkok | Thailand | Posted: 8:50 AM on 12.19.12
->> Instagram sez their not gonna steal photos, that they will look at other ways to make the service profitable.

http://www.startribune.com/lifestyle/183956631.html
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John Schreiber, Photographer, Assistant
Redondo Beach | CA | USA | Posted: 5:36 PM on 12.20.12
->> Here is my question:

If you do not caption or tag your photos on Instagram, how can they find them for advertising?

So, if Instagram had a beer company that wanted to use one of your photos, they might search for "beer" in their archive. If you don't have any identifying text or geolocations attached to your photos, how would they find your photo of beer amongst the sea of other photos?

I would still take issue with the way they are taking advantage of us, but it may be one way to stay on Instagram and avoid them finding your photos.
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David Richard, Photographer
Cleveland | OH | USA | Posted: 9:07 PM on 12.20.12
->> Dec. 20 Update from Instagram:

http://blog.instagram.com/post/38421250999/updated-terms-of-service-based-o...
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