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You too can donate photos to the NCAA...
Ed Chan, Photographer
San Diego | CA | US | Posted: 5:29 PM on 12.06.12
->> Guess what? You can now donate photos for the use of the NCAA; you get 50% of the revenue if they sell your photos, but a 100% chance that they could use your photo for free:

https://www.paya.com/ncaa-help
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Dan Routh, Photographer
Greensboro | NC | USA | Posted: 5:56 PM on 12.06.12
->> Can you hear the sucking sound?
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John Schreiber, Photographer, Assistant
Redondo Beach | CA | USA | Posted: 7:20 PM on 12.06.12
->> Oh yay... I can get 50% of the $50 they charge for commercial use of the image?!?!

From a random photo I clicked on:

"$49-- Commercial, Single project use. Buyer can use the image in a single, commercial use such as a print advertisement, brochure, or commercial Website."

Oh, and as an added bonus:

"Photographer is not able to license the photo through any other platform."

"NCAA has the right to use the photo for NCAA related use, such as media guides, game programs, etc."

Where do I sign up?
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James Durbin, Photographer
Midland | Texas | USA | Posted: 8:52 PM on 12.06.12
->> I've been waiting my entire life for this opportunity.
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Kevin Krows, Photographer
Forsyth | IL | USA | Posted: 3:44 AM on 12.07.12
->> I think instead of "Paya" it should be "Screwya"
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David Harpe, Photographer
Denver | CO | USA | Posted: 9:19 AM on 12.07.12
->> Unfortunately, it will probably be wildly successful.

"I need it to build my portfolio"
"I'm at the game anyway"
"The gear would be sitting in the closet not making ANY money otherwise"
...
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Walt Middleton, Photographer, Photo Editor
Columbus | OH | USA | Posted: 9:25 AM on 12.07.12
->> I love how you retain copyright but are unable to license it anywhere else... Really... your so kind...
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Timothy Andrews, Photographer
Pearl Harbor | Hi | USA | Posted: 10:12 AM on 12.07.12
->> Not defending it, but.... Don't athlete eligibility rules prevent you from liscensing the image commercially yourself anyways??
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Clark Brooks, Photo Editor, Photographer
Urbana | IL | USA | Posted: 10:42 AM on 12.07.12
->> If it worked for USPW/USA Today
it will work out that way for the NCAA.
And, when the number of photos they receive is slow
beware, for cometh the crippling blow.
For tomorrow the policy that all pro sports shooters dread
the NCAA will issue anyone with the camera a cred.
So while we roll our eyes and laugh aloud
say goodbye to what was once for many a cash cow.

No more will the sidelines of college sports be lined with the best,
in their place digital rebels, Uncle Bob and cousin Jess.
All enjoying the college game day atmosphere and 'working' for free,
for Facebook quality photo the NCAA wouldn't get from you and me.
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Clark Brooks, Photo Editor, Photographer
Urbana | IL | USA | Posted: 10:45 AM on 12.07.12
->> "Don't athlete eligibility rules prevent you from liscensing the image commercially yourself anyways??"

It prevents the photographer or agency, but not the NCAA. Remember, they make the rules and enforce them. College athletics is their "property" so they can use the content as they see fit to benefit the organization.
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Clark Brooks, Photo Editor, Photographer
Urbana | IL | USA | Posted: 10:49 AM on 12.07.12
->> Ed Chan wrote: "You can now donate photos for the use of the NCAA; you get 50% of the revenue if they sell your photos, but a 100% chance that they could use your photo for free:"

In all seriousness, I have to wonder how this will affect my good friends at Rich Clarkson and NCAA Photos in long run. I sincerely hope this won't affect the way they do business with the NCAA.
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Brett Groehler, Photographer
Duluth | MN | USA | Posted: 1:45 PM on 12.07.12
->> Wow! Another example of the "dumbing down" and cheapening of what we do for a living. I am sure many will bite on this but hope they look at this from a business perspective and see how bad it is.. $25 really?
Also, as a full time University photographer I am concerned this will allow
even weekend warriors with plastic cameras to get credentials for events.
This has already affected our university images sales and locations to shoot from at events. The only way to defeat the all powerful NCAA would be not participate in this. I know I will not.
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Walt Middleton, Photographer, Photo Editor
Columbus | OH | USA | Posted: 2:10 PM on 12.07.12
->> Yeah... I agree Brett...

Me and my photographers will not be participating in this at all.
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Mark Peters, Photographer
Highland | IL | USA | Posted: 2:56 PM on 12.07.12
->> What is the over under on the date we see an announcement that some major publication is now sole sourcing its collegiate content from the NCAA via this arrangement?
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Doug Pizac, Photographer
Sandy | UT | USA | Posted: 5:26 PM on 12.07.12
->> Has anyone noticed the difference between the paya/ncaa webpage and the paya home page?

If you submit via the ncaa sign-up you get 50% of sales whereupon the NCAA gets free use of the images. And there's no mention of what licensing price structure will be used. So it might be assumed that paya/ncaa sets the rates. Also, this is for already credentialed photographers whereupon I don't know of any big college that will credential freelancers without the shooter being sponsored by an established media entity -- AP, Getty, newspaper, etc. -- and if you shoot for any of them you don't have the right to sublicense your images to third parties like paya.

But on the paya home page it headlines that the photographer sets the licensing rate and gets 80% of the fees. Plus, it is a non-exclusive representation so you can market your images yourself too.
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Chuck Steenburgh, Photographer
Lexington | VA | USA | Posted: 10:09 PM on 12.07.12
->> The NCAA removed the eligibility penalty for commercially licensed images some years ago. The legality of penalizing an athlete for something beyond his/her control was the issue.

But try to license an NCAA event image commercially...and you'll never get another NCAA credential.

Not to be confused with licensing images from non-NCAA events between NCAA schools (i.e., outside the NCAA championships). Then there are school compliance issues that arise.
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Mark Peters, Photographer
Highland | IL | USA | Posted: 6:05 AM on 12.08.12
->> Chuck,

Maybe I'm missing something, but my understanding was that commercial use required a signed release. Seems to me that signing a release negates an outside of their control claim.

Or are you simply referring to licensing prints for personal viewing (selling.prints and not putting them in an advertisement for a car dealership)?
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Rick Yeatts, Photographer
Dallas | TX | USA | Posted: 7:43 PM on 12.08.12
->> Clark- in the Dallas / Ft worth area there are many more shooters on the sidelines shooting on spec. This market is saturated with guys with pro gear / with day jobs). Now it sounds as though this new venture is after their little to no revenue.

Has anything been said about the NCAA providing the pics to the schools without paying commissions to the photographer? If not yet that seems like a logical step for them. Also is this not part of NCAA Photos? Can you imagin how many people will be on the band wagon to say "I shoot for NCAA Photos"
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Chuck Steenburgh, Photographer
Lexington | VA | USA | Posted: 4:32 PM on 12.09.12
->> Mark - the latter - you're correct. That's what I get for posting after my bedtime.
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Thomas B. Shea, Photographer
Pearland/Houston | TX | USA | Posted: 6:23 PM on 12.09.12
->> "NCAA has the right to use the photo for NCAA related use, such as media guides, game programs, etc."

ETC

When you see your image on a billboard and you don't get paid because the NCAA says they gave it to the University, don't complain!


This is a very bad idea!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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