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Baylor's Uniforms Get a Color Change for SI
Chuck Liddy, Photographer, Photo Editor
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PLANET | EARTH | | Posted: 5:48 PM on 11.29.12 |
| ->> what a bunch of crap. someone should be fired. I stick by my "we are doomed" comment from several years ago. |
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Chuck Steenburgh, Photographer
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Lexington | VA | USA | Posted: 6:27 PM on 11.29.12 |
| ->> I "get" it...but with teams whoring themselves to Nike wearing gawdawful designs...everyone is doomed. |
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Dave Prelosky, Photographer
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Lower Burrell | Pa | US | Posted: 8:31 PM on 11.29.12 |
| ->> I was ready to see the result of some pressman plating the press incorrectly, but that won't explain this one... |
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Jack Howard, Photographer, Photo Editor
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Central Jersey | NJ | USA | Posted: 9:02 PM on 11.29.12 |
->> Most likely Illuminant metameric failure combined with a heavy push on the shadow-opening setting in LR4 or ACR 7. That's all.
Oh yes, combined with someone on the color desk that apparently didn't know the team colors, or much about metamerism. Those "black" jerseys in the "correct" image are ultra-heavy with green, either due to light source, custom WB or some combination thereon. And off the full-rez source file for this double-truck, there'd be a lot cleaner and a lot greener info in those jerseys than shows in this little fraggy websized jpeg.
Simple mistakes, and probably an honest one at that.
But I hear the grumblings of a wolfpack, anyways. |
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Clark Brooks, Photo Editor, Photographer
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Urbana | IL | USA | Posted: 9:08 PM on 11.29.12 |
| ->> It should have said "Photo Illustration by XX". I must admit I like SI's version of the uniform better. |
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Jim Colburn, Photographer
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Omaha | NE | USA | Posted: 9:24 PM on 11.29.12 |
| ->> Ah, the good old days, when you could blame the printer... |
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Jack Howard, Photographer, Photo Editor
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Central Jersey | NJ | USA | Posted: 11:22 PM on 11.29.12 |
->> Matthew, are you saying a 400x 600 px JPEG is an original source file? Please don't be so silly.
And do you understand metamerism? Seems not. Google that phrase in my first post and see how black is sometimes captured as greenish or reddish.
I'm simply offering a plausible suggestion, and I understand the science behind how this may have happened; but as I said, the malcontents and grumblebunnies are muttering here there and everywhere, so watch out–someone's going to be dragged through the mud on this. |
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Matthew Hinton, Photographer, Assistant
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New Orleans | LA | USA | Posted: 1:29 AM on 11.30.12 |
->> From Deadspin SI will run a correction due to "error"
http://deadspin.com/5964425/why-did-sports-illustrated-colorize-baylors-bla...
"SI spokesperson Scott Novak told our John Koblin the colorization was an "error" that led to the colors being "misleading." He pledged the magazine would run a correction next week, but refused to answer when asked exactly what error would lead to this kind of extreme photo manipulation. This isn't just an artifact of Adobe Photoshop's "Shadows/Highlights" function, used often to brighten too-dark images."
http://img.gawkerassets.com/post/11/2012/11/19495.jpg
Look through the uniforms as much as you want in the take from the game and the jerseys are consistently black and they don't exhibit metameric failure when viewed from different lighting and angles, and from different photographers using different cameras and settings. They look black throughout. http://uspresswire.com/search/fulltext/baylor%20kansas%20state
By your logic other similar wavelengths in the scene should have also turned green when correcting software was applied but they didn't. The green coloring is blotchy and inconsistent from jersey to jersey and inconsistent on the individual jerseys making it clear it was manipulated and not following any wavelength formula.
Here is another image that clearly shows the distinct difference between green and black. The goal post and coach in the background are green while the player's jersey is black.
http://uspresswire.com/image/6759142
Run your favorite software on any of these images and you will not get green with anything except by painting the color or replacing the color through manipulation. The "honest mistake" is a cop-out.
The green was added to portions of the jersey that were black so that is manipulation. |
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Martin McNeil, Photographer
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London | London | United Kingdom | Posted: 5:02 AM on 11.30.12 |
->> I had a read over the post that Bert pointed to and, taking up Jim's 'challenge', I loaded the low-res jpg from the blog into Bridge and had a stab at altering it using Camera RAW; yeah, I know - it's not ideal but, without access to the full-size JPG as transmitted, what you gonna do?
Anyway, the closest I could get to replicating how the image ran on SI was as follows
http://martinmcneilphoto.photoshelter.com/gallery-image/Greengate/G0000fHNS...
The white arrow shows the part of the shot I used as the white balance reference. Clicking here made the "green" pop the most and, from there, you can see from the alteration sliders just what values I used.
Other variations/combinations didn't produce anything near the result as SI ran. |
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Chuck Steenburgh, Photographer
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Lexington | VA | USA | Posted: 5:16 AM on 11.30.12 |
->> Look at the turf.
I have a pair of metameric pants. I don't think this can be excused by metamerism. I will admit, though, that the "black" looked, to my eyes, like a really really really dark green. Not Kelly green, but dark dark dark green. |
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Doug Pizac, Photographer
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Sandy | UT | USA | Posted: 6:56 AM on 11.30.12 |
->> IF it is metameric, then why didn't the referee's pants and stripes go green too along with all the other blacks in the photo? The added green is too precise.
As to a faulty white-balance or other setting by the photographer, it didn't happen. Otherwise all the other photos would have the same effect.
We'll just have to wait to see the explanation that SI publishes next week. |
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Chuck Liddy, Photographer, Photo Editor
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PLANET | EARTH | | Posted: 9:25 AM on 11.30.12 |
->> Next week's SI explanation:
"Due to an over zealous intern the photo was digitally manipulated. Said intern has been released from their
duties with SI. We at SI strive for the best sports photos
in the world and are terribly sorry for this mistake."
8) |
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Chuck Steenburgh, Photographer
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Lexington | VA | USA | Posted: 10:09 AM on 11.30.12 |
->> Doug - Metamerism often occurs because of characteristics of a particular pigment, fabric, or fiber, not just the color. Not to mention particular shades of colors - how many "blacks" are true 0,0,0 black? Black in the refs' pants isn't the same "black" as in the jerseys isn't the same "black" as some spectator's gloves.
But I'll reiterate - while the overall image is lightened, the impact on the jerseys AND the green of the grass is both different from the overall lightening AND from each other to make clear that there was a lot of manipulation going on here with a pretty clear intent. |
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Doug Pizac, Photographer
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Sandy | UT | USA | Posted: 10:21 AM on 11.30.12 |
->> Steenburgh...
Yes, I've seen color shifts in how you describe, but nowhere to the extent as in the Baylor photo without similar changes elsewhere. This was too localized which is explained in Liddy's post/explanation. |
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Clark Brooks, Photo Editor, Photographer
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Urbana | IL | USA | Posted: 10:51 AM on 11.30.12 |
->> The new fad in journalism? When a photo manipulation not credited as such is outed, blame it on an intern. Naw, blame it on the process:
"The photo that appeared on page XX was digitally manipulated. While we normally present photos as taken by photographers in this section without any enhancement. The photo illustration that was published was erroneously not credited as such during the page design stage of our publishing process. Measures have been taken to ensure that in the future photos that are manipulated through image processing software will be credit as such to avoid any confusion between our artistic vision and reality. Embarrassed at the oversight, we at SI strive for the best sports photos in the world and are terribly sorry for this mistake error." |
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Chuck Steenburgh, Photographer
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Lexington | VA | USA | Posted: 12:11 PM on 11.30.12 |
| ->> Oh, good grief...that's their explanation now? That it was intended to be a "photo illustration" all along? WHY would they want to do that? Because they think Baylor's uniforms should be green? |
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Chuck Liddy, Photographer, Photo Editor
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PLANET | EARTH | | Posted: 12:19 PM on 11.30.12 |
->> Hahahahahaha!!! I can see Clark and mine SI "mea culpas"
making the internet rounds later today.... |
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Clark Brooks, Photo Editor, Photographer
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Urbana | IL | USA | Posted: 1:45 PM on 11.30.12 |
->> Whoa Chuck Steenburgh, et al ...
Oh, good grief ... Hahahahaha!!!!
To be clear, what I wrote was not an official response from the publisher. What appears above was an merely variation of what Mr. Liddy penned in an earlier post as a possible apology from Sports Illustrated and not an actual company issued statement as it appears to have already been perceived. Embarrassed at the ambiguity and confusion this may have caused, I apologize if the post was interpreted other than an exercise at predicting the response from SI over the situation discussed in this thread. |
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Chuck Steenburgh, Photographer
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Lexington | VA | USA | Posted: 2:12 PM on 11.30.12 |
| ->> Doh. Your manipulated response fooled me... |
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Chuck Liddy, Photographer, Photo Editor
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PLANET | EARTH | | Posted: 4:45 PM on 11.30.12 |
| ->> mr. steenburgh, my manipulated response fooled your interpretation of mr. clark's manipulated response. you got double your trouble manipulated!!! |
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Chuck Liddy, Photographer, Photo Editor
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PLANET | EARTH | | Posted: 4:46 PM on 11.30.12 |
| ->> mr. "inappropriate" button masher. thanks. you are doomed. that is all. |
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Bradly J. Boner, Photographer, Photo Editor
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Jackson | WY | USA | Posted: 6:54 PM on 11.30.12 |
| ->> Even if it was unintentional, it's a black eye for SI. I mean, for crying out loud, they are supposed to be the vanguard of sports publications, and yet nary an editor nor proofreader whose eyes graced this page before publication noticed an entire Division I football team's jerseys had miraculously changed color. |
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Doug Holleman, Photographer
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Temple | TX | USA | Posted: 7:19 PM on 11.30.12 |
->> It seems they clearly did wrong here, but did they not set a precedent for this earlier by posting "Instagram" photos in the Leading Off section a few months ago? At least that in that case they stated that the photos were filtered. But I always thought Leading Off was a showcase for photojournalism rather than photo manipulation. Perhaps that assumption was wrong.
All of my photos from that game feature Baylor wearing black jerseys. |
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Brad Mangin, Photographer
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Pleasanton | CA | USA | Posted: 12:42 PM on 12.01.12 |
| ->> Those damn "Instagram" photos are ruining the world! |
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Steven Mullensky, Photographer, Photo Editor
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Port Townsend | WA. | USA | Posted: 1:38 PM on 12.01.12 |
| ->> The times, they are a'changing. |
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Israel Shirk, Photographer, Assistant
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Boise | ID | US | Posted: 7:22 PM on 12.01.12 |
->> Just to hit it home a little more - their reaction is the same as a pro athlete who has been doing EPO for 6 months is caught, and then when questioned responds with "Oh, shoot, I meant to tell you guys, I forgot. I'll do that next time."
Photo manipulation is nothing more than EPO, blood transfusions, etc for photos. They have no room to do that and then pull athletes over hot coals for the same thing. |
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Chuck Liddy, Photographer, Photo Editor
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PLANET | EARTH | | Posted: 10:17 PM on 12.01.12 |
->> "These days it seems like for every sports hero, there is a cheater. For every "good sport," a bad one. Whether it was by trying to game the system or by flat-out cheating"
Thanks SI. Replace the sports hero words with photo. Hypocrisy at the highest level.
Screw you. |
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Cooper Neill, Student/Intern
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Austin | Tx | USA | Posted: 10:32 PM on 12.01.12 |
| ->> Putting the color of the jersey aside - I was surprised how much post they're doing to the photos to begin with. |
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Robert Hanashiro, Photographer
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Los Angeles | CA | | Posted: 11:39 PM on 12.01.12 |
| ->> Man... Where have you been? |
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Keith Gillett, Photographer
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Belleville | IL | USA | Posted: 8:17 PM on 12.03.12 |
| ->> This is not the first time this year that SI has (apparently) manipulated photos. Did anyone notice the photos of Beaver Stadium at Penn State, AT&T Park and Comerica Park in the Nov. 6th issue? All three stadium photos appear to have benefited from HDR (High Dynamic Range) manipulation. Any thoughts on this? Is the use of HDR like this legit? |
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Brad Mangin, Photographer
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Pleasanton | CA | USA | Posted: 12:32 PM on 12.04.12 |
| ->> Thanks Ric- that is awesome. |
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Keith Gillett, Photographer
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Belleville | IL | USA | Posted: 10:19 AM on 12.05.12 |
| ->> For what it's worth, Sports Illustrated has the following correction notice on the bottom of the letters page in the iPad edition that was released at midnight today: "Because of a production error, this LEADING OFF photo from Baylor's 52-24 upset of No. 1 Kansas State was incorrectly colorized in the Nov. 26 issue. SPORTS ILLUSTRATED regrets the error." A thumbnail size photo was included with the correction. I'm sure there will be something similar in the print edition. |
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Clark Brooks, Photo Editor, Photographer
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Urbana | IL | USA | Posted: 1:31 PM on 12.05.12 |
| ->> Whew! At least it is good to know that it was just a "colorized" "production error" and not digitally manipulated. |
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