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Hurricane Sandy
Brian Blanco, Photographer
Tampa / Sarasota | FL | USA | Posted: 10:33 AM on 10.29.12
->> For those either in the path of Hurricane Sandy or currently headed there to cover it, please be safe. Just remember that this storm, while "only" a Cat. 1 at the moment, has already killed 65 people.

That's all I've got...
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Curtis Clegg, Photographer
Sycamore | IL | USA | Posted: 11:35 AM on 10.29.12
->> That's not all you've got Brian... there is still your excellent article and a few others in the archives:

It's all about the details
http://www.sportsshooter.com/news/2529

Confessions of a hurricane newbie
http://www.sportsshooter.com/news/1464

Remember to take care of the family first and get some Rain-X
http://www.sportsshooter.com/news/1287
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James Madelin, Photographer
AKL | Bristol | UK | Posted: 12:12 PM on 10.29.12
->> No need to panic folks. It killed 65 people in the Caribbean. Here in Manhattan it's slightly breezy. There is some serious flooding in Brooklyn particularly around RedHook, but I'll bet a twenty that Bloomberg and Cuomo's ridiculous statements involving words like "Massive" and "Die" are absurd scaremongering. Winds are expected to be 45-50mph gusting to 80mph which while serious, is a LONG way from being apocalyptic. The floods are bad though, I'm glad we left Red Hook to stay with friends here in Manhattan.

I just hope I can catch my plane home to Britain this week after it got cancelled !
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Brian Blanco, Photographer
Tampa / Sarasota | FL | USA | Posted: 1:07 PM on 10.29.12
->> Clearly the voice of an expert (this James guy) has spoken so please everyone, throw caution to the wind and break out your boggie boards. My bad.
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Jim Colburn, Photographer
Omaha | NE | USA | Posted: 1:23 PM on 10.29.12
->> "I'll bet a twenty that Bloomberg and Cuomo's ridiculous statements involving words like "Massive" and "Die" are absurd scaremongering."

They're forecasting an 11 foot storm surge in New York Harbor and Long Island Sound. They've never measured one higher than 10 feet before.

That's bad.

It could mean JFK and LaGuardia under water as well as substantial portions of lower Manhattan (I hope you're not staying in a basement apartment in the West Village).

Your confusion on the matter may be that, unlike many politicians in the UK, Bloomberg and Cuomo aren't prone to hyperbole.
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Brian Blanco, Photographer
Tampa / Sarasota | FL | USA | Posted: 1:34 PM on 10.29.12
->> 10/29/2012 1:23 EST- Jim Colburn and Brian Blanco agree on an issue.

Noted for history.
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Armando Solares, Photographer
Englewood | FL | USA | Posted: 1:41 PM on 10.29.12
->> James,

I've covered many a hurricane. And I can tell you that a Cat 1 can be just as deadly and destructive as a Cat. 4 or 5. People tend not to listen until it is too late, that is why I think people tend to dramatize statements, because otherwise caution would go with the 80-mile an hour winds.

Be safe!
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Chuck Liddy, Photographer, Photo Editor
PLANET | EARTH | | Posted: 2:42 PM on 10.29.12
->> James, spoken like someone who doesn't know what the hell they are talking about. well done. I'll be sure to ask for your assistance the next time I cover a hurricane.......
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Mark Kauzlarich, Photographer, Student/Intern
Madison | WI | | Posted: 3:29 PM on 10.29.12
->> Looks like James is going around tagging people with "Huh?".

I'm not confused and I'm not going to second guess 1) officials who have legitimate concern for their citizens or 2) Liddy and Blanco who, in Florida and NC have more days in dealing with Hurricanes in their life than 95% of shooters have dealing with "rainy days".

Everyone stay safe.
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Alex Menendez, Photographer
Orlando | FL | USA | Posted: 4:06 PM on 10.29.12
->> James
Cant wait to see your pics....................................?
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Tom Szczerbowski, Photographer
London | ON | Canada | Posted: 4:17 PM on 10.29.12
->> James,

I was listening to Dennis Miller's radio show this morning(yes, he too was in Manhattan) and he seemed to agree with you as he quipped :

"I don't ask much from the Storm of the Century, but shouldn't it at least be raining ?"
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Dave Prelosky, Photographer
Lower Burrell | Pa | US | Posted: 4:41 PM on 10.29.12
->> Several truisms I keep in mind:

Plan for the worst, hope for the best.

A> In case of doubt, ask someone who knows.
B> In case of doubt, see above.

Mother Nature can be a bitch.

And now we'll all wait and see what happens..
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Wally Nell, Photographer
SAN DIEGO | CA | USA | Posted: 4:45 PM on 10.29.12
->> In defense of James, in the past people often cried wolf and it would end up being nothing. I know this is the largest storm prediction in something like 70 years or something (I think), but one can't help being cynical of all the predictions. Perhaps this time it won't be crying wolf without the wolf showing...
Be safe out there... And for heaven's sake, get some nice pics of it!
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Chuck Liddy, Photographer, Photo Editor
PLANET | EARTH | | Posted: 4:52 PM on 10.29.12
->> As with most cases the storm turned sooner than expected so NYC won't see the brunt of it. However folks in southern New Jersey, Delaware and Pennsylvania will. but dave is right. plan for the worst and hope for the best. nyc will probably be fine.
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Robert Herrera, Photographer, Assistant
Lakeland | FL | United States | Posted: 5:33 PM on 10.29.12
->> Great advice. I've been warning a lot of my friends and family in NY to not get complacent with this storm...the worst is yet to come for that area. Stay safe.

BTW, nice meeting you yesterday Brian! Hope to run into you again sometime soon.
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Mat Boyle, Photographer
Pitman | NJ | United States | Posted: 7:16 PM on 10.29.12
->> I live in South Jersey and the shore towns are already being devastated with flooding which is expected to get worse tonight. Thankfully the area I live in is doing ok right now. I've been glued to the Press of Atlantic City's coverage of the storm all day, http://www.pressofatlanticcity.com/features/storm/. Hopefully I will be able to make it out tomorrow and make some photos.
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Thomas E. Witte, Photographer, Photo Editor
Cincinnati | OH | USA | Posted: 7:19 PM on 10.29.12
->> This is why I love Sports Shooter. It's your one stop shop on the internet to find an expert on everything from legal help to financial advice to surgical consults to meteorology. I mean why listen to people with expensive degrees when you can get professional grade advice from a wedding photographer?

I assume that was "air quotes" you were using in sarcastic fashion because yea, it's kinda sorta a wee bit massive. That little microburst Katrina was about 1/3 the diameter with about 20% lower pressure than what Sandy is projected at landfall... During lunar high tide.
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G.J. McCarthy, Photographer
Dallas | TX | US | Posted: 8:48 PM on 10.29.12
->> Holy shit this has been entertaining. Thanks!
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Debra L Rothenberg, Photographer
New York | NY | USA | Posted: 8:54 PM on 10.29.12
->> 8:53 pm
buildings have collapsed in Manhattan
the West Side Highway in under water
Avenue C is under water
2 cranes clapsed
trees down ALL over
Brooklyn, Staten Island, Queens and the Bronx-areas FLOODED.
MANY people evacuated.
Battery Park-under Water
Subways--flooded!!

James--you spoke BEFORE the thing already hit but when you posted at 12:12, I was out shooting the water rushing onto parts of the Westside Highway

My former home-the Jersey Shore...very sad. Some places may be gone by tomorrow
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Armando Solares, Photographer
Englewood | FL | USA | Posted: 8:59 PM on 10.29.12
->> Wow, Debra can't wait to see you pics. Please post a link and I'm glad you are safe. Stay that way and stay dry.
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Dave Prelosky, Photographer
Lower Burrell | Pa | US | Posted: 9:17 PM on 10.29.12
->> Thanks for the update Debra - SportsShooter News Service comes through again...
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Mark Perlstein, Photographer, Photo Editor
Plano | TX | USA | Posted: 9:23 PM on 10.29.12
->> Poor James. You may be imprisoned in the Big Apple for some time.
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G.J. McCarthy, Photographer
Dallas | TX | US | Posted: 9:25 PM on 10.29.12
->> BTW -- as Brian said, be safe out there, East Coast amigos.
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Debra L Rothenberg, Photographer
New York | NY | USA | Posted: 9:31 PM on 10.29.12
->> some instagrams here:

https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.10151095482993081.468654.49859873...
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Chuck Liddy, Photographer, Photo Editor
PLANET | EARTH | | Posted: 11:38 PM on 10.29.12
->> "No need to panic folks".
I love the sage advice that is given out on this site at times.
No big deal at all.
The latest AP update at 11pm EST

"Authorities reported a record surge 13 feet high at the Battery at the southern tip of Manhattan (the previous record was 10 feet), from the storm and high tide combined.
In an attempt to lessen damage from saltwater to the subway system and the electrical network beneath the city's financial district, New York City's main utility cut power to about 6,500 customers in lower Manhattan. But a far wider swath of the city was hit with blackouts caused by flooding and transformer explosions.
The city's transit agency said water surged into two major commuter tunnels, the Queens Midtown and the Brooklyn-Battery, and it cut power to some subway tunnels in lower Manhattan after water flowed into the stations and onto the tracks.
The subway system was shut down Sunday night, and the stock markets never opened Monday and are likely to be closed Tuesday as well."
Move along nothing to see here.
Riiiggghhhhttt........
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Dave Prelosky, Photographer
Lower Burrell | Pa | US | Posted: 11:59 PM on 10.29.12
->> If anyone is interested, here is a link to NYC emergency service scanner feeds.

http://www.radioreference.com/apps/audio/?feedId=9358
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Chuck Liddy, Photographer, Photo Editor
PLANET | EARTH | | Posted: 8:25 AM on 10.30.12
->> AP-"storm damage estimates between 10-20 BILLION $$$"
Madelin-"massive...absurd scaremongering?"
analysis.....
James, stick with something you know about. 8)
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Michael Fischer, Photographer
Spencer | Ia | USA | Posted: 8:49 AM on 10.30.12
->> One of the reasons I live in Iowa is growing up in Miami.. I don't miss hurricanes AT ALL.

The was a image of a 6 foot wooden stake that was driven through the thickest part of a Royal Palm tree shot many, many years ago. Hurricanes not dangerous? You've got to be kidding...
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Butch Miller, Photographer
Lock Haven | PA | USA | Posted: 9:30 AM on 10.30.12
->> Yes ... Monday morning quarterbacking is much less effective when shared long before kickoff ... it's best to hold off until the game is actually over ...

It's one thing for Dennis Miller to speculate ... he's a humorist by trade ... it's quite another for a "journalist" to offer an appraisal that is much too early in the process to have all the information at hand to proclaim an event described as unnecessary "scaremongering" by elected officials whose number one job is public safety ...

I hope this is a lesson learned for us all ...
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James Madelin, Photographer
AKL | Bristol | UK | Posted: 9:33 AM on 10.30.12
->> Gee thanks. Just telling it like I am -and was- seeing it. And despite the fairly needless jibes, I can assure you I haven't hit any Huh? buttons. Grow up.

I've been hit by hurricanes, tornadoes and earthquakes before in my life. With much higher winds. My home has been flooded twice in storms. This isn't new to me.

I was just trying to point out that while bad if you were in the wrong place, for most people in NY this storm has involved biding your time safely at home while the windows rattled.

Yes, trees have fallen down and yes, unfortunately, a few people have been killed and injured. But to put this into perspective, this is a city of 8 million people, most of whom are utterly unscathed.

There is some localised serious damage downtown and beyond, but mostly everything, and everyone is and are fine. Of course it has caused massive financial damage. Seen as a whole it has been devastating. Seen individually by most people? It got real windy and wet.

Watching and reading a lot of the news, you get the impression the whole state is in tatters. Not quite.
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Will Powers, Photographer
Denver | CO | USA | Posted: 9:48 AM on 10.30.12
->> James,
Waiting for a link to your pix of the storm.

Some people might have stayed in to listen to the windows rattle because the listened to the Mayor.
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Debra L Rothenberg, Photographer
New York | NY | USA | Posted: 11:13 AM on 10.30.12
->> 80 houses gone
Many people lost homes
Mayor Bloomberg said this is the worst storm NYC has seen
MANY fires-some that looked like forest fires
shelters FULL
at least 10 people dead in NYC-they said it will rise
extensive damage to the city
mass transit down, power down
bridges and roadways still closed
worst disaster the subways has ever seen
"the damages are enormous"
3/4 of NY'ers without power
power may be out for 2-3 days, if not longer
extensive flooding in many of the subways
tunnels are all flooded
public transportation still closed
all major airports still closed--runways flooded


so James, with all due respect, just because YOU have been hit by hurricanes, tornadoes and earthquakes and floods in your life and home doesn't mean others have and your post makes you sound INCREDIBLY INSENSITIVE and RUDE. Not to mention, you look like you are maybe 30 years old, if that--think about the elderly and disabled in this city and what they are going thru.

My mom is severely sick and under 24/7 care and she and my dad and the nurse are stuck with no power and no way to even get out of their building if they wanted to (which they can't since she bed bound)

DLR
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Brian Blanco, Photographer
Tampa / Sarasota | FL | USA | Posted: 11:25 AM on 10.30.12
->> James,

You're a damn good photographer; I've been to your site and you make pretty pictures. Some of them, I've got to give you credit, were jaw-dropping.

Nothing, however, on your site (including the 7 images listed in the "photojournalism" gallery") suggest to me that you have the experience to come on here and attempt to neutralize a heart-felt and well-informed plea reminding my colleagues to stay safe.

Hurricane coverage has VERY LITTLE to do with making pretty pictures, or even making pictures at all.

It's about being overly cautious and overly prepared to the point where you can stay alive, healthy and functioning enough to do the very important job of disaster-area journalism. Anyone who has ever covered a storm, a real storm, knows this.

I've covered a lot of hurricanes and similar disasters (and have the images to back it up) so maybe I've seen enough floating, bloated corpses of too many people; people, who thought like you, or listened to people who thought like you and dismissed warnings and encouraged others to do the same in some sort of show of bravado.

I guess I don't get it. I guess I don't get why ANYONE would ever suggest that people dismiss the warnings of officials. Why not err on the side of safety? But I guess that's just me. Maybe I'm a wuss... that's it.
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Brian Blanco, Photographer
Tampa / Sarasota | FL | USA | Posted: 11:52 AM on 10.30.12
->> Sorry James, I didn't realize Debora was making a beautiful point while I was typing. Just read her post... she said it better.
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Daniel Putz, Photographer
Owings Mills | MD | USA | Posted: 12:40 PM on 10.30.12
->> "plane home to britain"

RIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIGHT

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mcprj7fuHn1rk5eu3o1_1280.jpg
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Thomas E. Witte, Photographer, Photo Editor
Cincinnati | OH | USA | Posted: 4:58 PM on 10.30.12
->> James, I get your point, but I'm going to keep jabbing at you.

Sure it killed 65 people in the Caribbean but most of those deaths came in underdeveloped countries. .... Last I checked we're a developed nation and NYC is the greatest city in the world. We've got 30 deaths reported - from "just a breeze".

If you follow me on facebook you'll see how hyper critical I am on journalists being either asinine, biased, or plain lazy - and why those virtues drove me to get out of the business. I extend that criticism to all people who go on record with even their opinions so don't take it personally.
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Chuck Liddy, Photographer, Photo Editor
PLANET | EARTH | | Posted: 5:32 PM on 10.30.12
->> Anything I have to add would just get me a 15 yard penalty for piling on.
(James, that would be American football)
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James Madelin, Photographer
AKL | Bristol | UK | Posted: 6:36 PM on 10.30.12
->> Thanks Brian. I see now that it kinda looked like I was belittling your thread for which I'm sorry.

And I certainly wasn't suggesting warnings should be dismissed, just taken in moderation. Maybe my "anti-1984" reflex is too strong.

I can only correct the stuff I know from either seeing it myself, or talking to people who are there.

- JFK is not flooded and will be open tomorrow, according to Delta and JFK. LaGuardia is (which is where the photo Daniel posted is)

- Busses are now open, in limited service and are free.

- All bridges are open except to the Rockaways.

- There most definitely are not as many as 6m people without power in NYC. The areas involved are nowhere near 3/4 of the city.

- Mostly the streets are full of residents and tourists shooting downed trees with iPhones and 5Ds, many from the safety of their singlespeeds.

Many old people stayed behind in the worst hit area of Redhook, Brooklyn and are fine. But it's cold, so there will no doubt be a looming challenge over the next few days to make sure the toll doesn't rise after the storm.

Here's another perspective on this from a photographer who was also caught by Sandy:

http://bit.ly/T2Cdue
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Jim Colburn, Photographer
Omaha | NE | USA | Posted: 7:13 PM on 10.30.12
->> "I'll bet a twenty that Bloomberg and Cuomo's ridiculous statements involving words like "Massive" and "Die" are absurd scaremongering"

My dear James. It's looks like you've been very, very wrong about the whole "Sandy" thing. So, much like the BBC ought to be doing vis a vie the Jimmy Saville thing, you might want to do a "mea culpa".

A "mea culpa", BTW, is an apology. A phrase that you may not actually understand if your comprehensive had eliminated Latin by the time you got there.
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James Madelin, Photographer
AKL | Bristol | UK | Posted: 8:59 PM on 10.31.12
->> Yes, it does indeed look that way, hence my apology.

Regrettably my school forced us to learn Latin for a few years, assuring us that it would greatly help our grasp of other languages. It didn't.... I mastered a few languages that are actually useful as soon as I could and left Latin behind.

Anyway... this has all been rather drawn out. 'Till my column in the next newsletter, I'm going to leave the USA, my head hung in shame.

My thoughts are particularly with the families of the 80 or so people who have died, thankfully only a tiny number of the more than 40 million folks that were in the storm's path.
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Michael Fischer, Photographer
Spencer | Ia | USA | Posted: 12:14 PM on 11.01.12
->> -30-
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Jim Colburn, Photographer
Omaha | NE | USA | Posted: 1:50 PM on 11.01.12
->> "Regrettably my school forced us to learn Latin for a few years.."

Regrettably? How sad.
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G.J. McCarthy, Photographer
Dallas | TX | US | Posted: 2:29 PM on 11.01.12
->> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rSjK2Oqrgic
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David A. Cantor, Photographer, Photo Editor
Toledo | OH | USA | Posted: 3:53 PM on 11.01.12
->> damnant quod non intellegunt
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Dave Breen, Photographer
Somerset | PA | USA | Posted: 4:22 PM on 11.01.12
->> If only the clean-up following Sandy were this easy.
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Ben Smidt, Photographer
Milwaukee | WI | USA | Posted: 4:24 PM on 11.01.12
->> This is why Iím not renewing my Sportsshooter membership this year.
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James Broome, Photographer
Tampa | FL | US | Posted: 1:20 PM on 11.02.12
->> 96 dead in the US alone from Sandy.

Yep. NBD.
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Debra L Rothenberg, Photographer
New York | NY | USA | Posted: 2:22 PM on 11.02.12
->> I am going to be blunt, as I always am...next time some moron spews off his/her mouth about something...they should WAIT. Look at what happened from this Hurricane in just NYC and NJ alone. DAYS later-still people with food, shelter, power AND HOMES!!!! Several photographers...and one of our own here on SS (that I know of) lost EVERYTHING.
My husband and I are fortunate in that nothing happened where we live in Manhattan and we have a large apt with 2 bathrooms and we have been putting people up.

So next time, before someone wants to lend their opinion on something such as this...STFU.

I promised I would never write something like this on a "public page" because I never know which of my clients are reading it but if they are offended and don't hire me again, so be it. My parents are STILL without power and they are elderly and my mother is home/bed bound under 24/7 care, as are several friends.
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Mike Anzaldi, Photographer
Oak Park | IL | USA | Posted: 4:33 PM on 11.02.12
->> Another stellar display of professionalism, all around.

Allow me to contribute to the community by summarizing what should be considered a model Sportsshooter discussion board thread:

*Blanco starts what should be a rather benign Sandy thread encouraging care and safety while covering the weather event.
*James, a British national stranded in NYC, downplays the warnings of local officials, categorizing the statements as "scaremongering."
*Blanco, offended by the Brit's opinion that there's "no need to panic", sacastically suggests that the proper action may be to go surfing.
*Colburn, unsatisfied with Blanco's handling of the unruly James, suggests that British politicians exaggerate, unnecessarily.
*Liddy, equally unsatisfied, checks in to offer his disgust.
*Kauzlarich, a student out of Madison WI, makes unsubstantiated claims that James has retaliated to the harsh response to his comment by "going around tagging people with Huh's."
*Wally, a calming voice of reason, defends James by suggesting that maybe the forecasts of dome could end up being exaggerated.
*Witte compares Sandy to Katrina using fractions, percents and moon cycles.
*McCarthy finds that entertaining, but remarkably, is unable to express that thought in a YouTube video.
*Debra bears witness to the events unfolding in her region, and offers a report.
*Liddy, still unsatisfied with the beating being administered to James, elects to have another go.
*Dave finds the scanner feeds.
*Liddy, with the stamina of a porn star, drops yet another quarter into the machine.
*Fischer is a Miami refugee now living in Iowa.
*James, in his first response since taking on heavy artillery fire, denies any misuse (ethical or unethical) of the Sportsshooter "Huh" button. He also qualifies his statement with a severe weather resume and re-ups his initial claim that the majority of locals in the Tri-State area are unaffected.
*Debra, unimpressed with James response, begins to unravel by showing contempt for James' insensitivity, rudeness and youth.
*Blanco returns to the mix with a compliment to James' photography skills, before settling back into a full-frontal attack on the Brit for his attempt to "neutralize a heart-felt and well-informed plea reminding my colleagues to stay safe."
*Witte comes back with: "James, I get your point, but I'm going to keep jabbing at you." He later adds: "don't take it personally."
*Liddy, with his 5th post of the thread, reminds the community that he still exists.
*An apologetic James comes back for Response 2.0, and shows regret for ever offending Blanco. He also files a report on the events occurring.
*In a shocking 'diarrhea of the keyboard' event, Colburn demands an apology from James, calls out the BBC and confuses the ever-loving hell out of this reporter with a quip about Latin.
*James, in response, says: 'look dude, i just apologized in the post immediately above yours! would you like money? perhaps my first child?'
*Colburn responds: "You're so sad."
*McCarthy found YouTube.
*Smidt quit the website.
*Debra, unconfident that anything has been resolved after 48 posts, loses her s**t, and tells James to "STFU".

Consider yourselves fully up to date.
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Dave Prelosky, Photographer
Lower Burrell | Pa | US | Posted: 4:37 PM on 11.02.12
->> Will somebody finally believe this:




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