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What is the most up-to-date workflow for iPad in the field?
Scott Serio, Photo Editor, Photographer
Colora | MD | USA | Posted: 10:22 PM on 10.24.12
->> There have been a few threads on this and I have seen Filterstorm mentioned, I think Snapseed, a few FTP programs. If I am buying an iPad 3rd Generation tomorrow....

What is the best combination of applications to ingest, caption, tone, crop and FTP from the field? What are people using now?

Thanks....
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Brian Blanco, Photographer
Tampa / Sarasota | FL | USA | Posted: 11:44 PM on 10.24.12
->> Scott,

I found Photogene did ALL of that stuff in one application with logical and easy to use tools and all with zero fuss. Cost: $2.99 and I learned it and was proficient with it in about 5 minutes.

I set up an iPad (version I) to use during the RNC outside with the protestors. I was able to ingest into the iPad via a CF card reader and then send my selects to Photogene where I could apply a prewritten caption, tone and FTP with about one touch per action. I didn't crop, but that tool, like all the tools on this app, was right there on the main screen and just a tap away.

I could do all of this while walking so it was very simple. The only hitch, and it's a big one, is that the iPad would not recognize the images that were tagged in-camera so I had to ingest the whole card. It was fairly fast but then, because I could only see thumbnails that would not enlarge with a tap, I had to kind of guess which images were the sharp ones, the ones with the good face, etc. before sending those to Photogene.

Ingesting the whole card is a pain when you're pressed for time and I found that I often wasted time choosing the wrong frame to send to the app because they were hard to differentiate.

All in all though, the app worked flawlessly... BUT... I ended up buying a used MacBook Air and adding PhotoMechanic which was WAY easier in the end.

So I guess my answer is: Photogene works, but a MacBook Air works wonders.
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Butch Miller, Photographer
Lock Haven | PA | USA | Posted: 12:40 AM on 10.25.12
->> My workflow is similar to Brian's only I use Filterstorm Pro ... though on really tight deadlines, I use an Eye-fi card and send the images directly to the iPad and eliminate the need for the card reader/download step ...
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Scott Serio, Photo Editor, Photographer
Colora | MD | USA | Posted: 2:37 AM on 10.25.12
->> The Eye-Fi would be an option, but I don't have a single camera that uses SD cards. Shame.

Thanks for the input. I really need a very mobile solution for a couple dozen photos throughout the day. I was already buying my wife the iPad, so instead of trying to send the photos to my phone r having to go back to the photo room, I was looking for a quick fix, in the field solution. I think the iPad and one of these Apps is the way to go.

I prefer Photo Mechanic and that is the go-to, but Photogene or Filterstorm is the solution I am looking for...

Thanks.
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Patrick Fallon, Photographer, Assistant
Torrance | California | USA | Posted: 3:48 AM on 10.25.12
->> What about using an iPhone5? Would these apps work still?
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Butch Miller, Photographer
Lock Haven | PA | USA | Posted: 9:56 AM on 10.25.12
->> Scott ... the Eye-fi will work with some DSLR cameras using a CF to SD adapter but not all configurations ... for example I have used it with a D300 with no problems ...

Patrick ... The original Filterstorm app and Photogene are available for the iPhone ... though you'll have to compare feature sets to see the different capabilities ... though I don't think they would be major differences ... aside from the loss of screen real estate going from the iPad to iPhone ... I much prefer the iPad especially if I have to do more than a small amount of typing ...
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Svein Ove Ekornesvaag, Photographer
Aalesund | Møre og Romsdal | Norway | Posted: 5:56 PM on 10.25.12
->> I'm going to buy Microsofts new tablet with win 8 pro since I can install all windows programs on it. Will be great to have PM, PS and ACR in my pocket.
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Jim Burgess, Photographer
Gainesville | FL | US | Posted: 6:12 PM on 10.25.12
->> Svein...you might want to take a look at this...

http://9to5mac.com/2012/10/23/heres-what-early-reviews-of-microsofts-new-su.../
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Butch Miller, Photographer
Lock Haven | PA | USA | Posted: 10:54 PM on 10.25.12
->> From Jim's link:

"Imagine booting up an iPad for the first time, seeing the OS X desktop exactly as it appears on a MacBook, and then finding out you cannot run any OS X software on the device. As odd as that scenario sounds, that is exactly the situation Microsoft is facing with the next-generation Windows OS…"

and ...

"…Regardless, performance in hard-core applications probably won’t even matter, because the Windows RT desktop is locked down: You will never be able to install Photoshop, traditional PC games, or any other code we typically define as “PC software.”
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Jim Burgess, Photographer
Gainesville | FL | US | Posted: 10:21 AM on 10.26.12
->> In my experience so far, the most up-to-date workflow for iPad in the field is a Macbook Air.
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Svein Ove Ekornesvaag, Photographer
Aalesund | Møre og Romsdal | Norway | Posted: 12:28 PM on 10.26.12
->> I'm not talking about the RT edition. I'm talking about the Microsoft tablet with win 8 pro, it has better hardware and full windows 8. So you can install all windows software on it.

So the Pro tablet with Photomechanic, ACR and Photoshop installed will be very intersting for photographers. I will pair it up with the WFT-E6.
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Mike Morones, Photographer, Photo Editor
Springfield | VA | | Posted: 5:03 PM on 10.31.12
->> Brian, what CF reader were you using on the ipad? As far as importing photos to the ipad goes, am i correct in understadning that it does not recognize tagged files?
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Jon Durr, Student/Intern, Photographer
Morton Grove | IL | USA | Posted: 11:16 AM on 11.02.12
->> I just saw some info about an app for the iPad that was just released and is just like Photomechanic, here's the website and some info about it.

http://www.pictureproapps.com/



"WEB:
http://www.PictureProApps.com
FB:PictureProApps
TWITTER: @PictureProApps #PProApps

It does everything we need it to do for quick, timely, and tedium-reduced news image filing. And, it improves accuracy! It supports code replacements and has a bunch of other time and error saving features. For example, it integrates with assignment emails and picks out names of places, organizations, and people in captions so they only have to be typed once, and not with errors a second time."
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Butch Miller, Photographer
Lock Haven | PA | USA | Posted: 1:20 PM on 11.02.12
->> Jon ... that looks like a great app ... though I'm not sure how popular it will be at $99.99 when a lot of folks are complaining about spending $15 for Filterstorm Pro ... I don't think the cost vs. taking a laptop balances the scales ...
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Jim Burgess, Photographer
Gainesville | FL | US | Posted: 1:21 PM on 11.02.12
->> Wow. Before I plunk down a non-refundable $99 for a brand-new, really high-priced iPad app, I'll want a lot of proof that this thing really lives up to their web site hype. I know it's new and all that, but I'm going to want to see a lot of reviews and hands-on write-ups by people who have used this app before spending that kind of $$ "sight unseen".

Apps like this tend to go through multiple releases and revisions before they work properly without crashing, wiping out data, etc., etc. Just look at the pains the Photosmith and FilterStorm developers (similar types of apps) went through to get to where they are now...which is probably where they wanted to be to begin with many months ago. And those apps cost far less.

This app is a classic example of why there has got to be a way to try things out before you have to deal with the App Store.
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Steven Mullensky, Photographer, Photo Editor
Port Townsend | WA. | USA | Posted: 6:48 PM on 11.02.12
->> I just e-mailed that company about a trial. I mentioned that there are at least 2500 pro photographers who would be interested but not without trying it out first.
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Mark Loundy, Photo Editor
San Jose | CA | USA | Posted: 10:20 AM on 11.03.12
->> To semi-hijack this thread: Is there a way to mirror an iPad screen to an external display?

--Mark
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Mike Huffstatler, Photographer, Assistant
Rancho Cucamonga | Ca | United States | Posted: 11:23 AM on 11.03.12
->> Mark, I use an application called Airserver on both windows and Mac OS machines. Looks like the price has gone up a bit but it works pretty well. I do run into an issue once in a while if the iPad goes to sleep. The solution is to just restart the Airserver app.

http://www.airserverapp.com/

Another one that works pretty well is Reflection. When I got it, it was free for personal use but I moved to Airserver because this one is Mac only.
https://www.reflectionapp.com/
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Steven Mullensky, Photographer, Photo Editor
Port Townsend | WA. | USA | Posted: 9:33 AM on 11.05.12
->> The reply I received from pictureproapps states:

"Unfortunately, Apple does not allow trial periods. We are committed, though, to customer satisfaction and listen very carefully to our users when it comes to suggested changes and modifications. The app is selling well so far, and it's been used for several months filing real stories for real newspapers. Please continue to contact us with questions and we'll do everything we can to assist with your buying decision. Currently PicturePro is priced at an introductory level to make it easier. All that said, we do wish Apple had a trial period."

Anyone using this app?
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Chuck Liddy, Photographer, Photo Editor
PLANET | EARTH | | Posted: 2:52 PM on 11.05.12
->> they didn't reply to my query....I wish they could let us know who they are referring to with the statement "several months filing real stories for real newspapers" folks are. anyone out there at a "real newspaper" and using this app?
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Jim Burgess, Photographer
Gainesville | FL | US | Posted: 7:19 AM on 11.06.12
->> Some points regarding Picturepro...

While it is true that the App store does not allow trials, developers have come up with ways to allow potential buyers to try out their apps. The most typical way is a "lite" version that is somehow disabled or crippled so as not to provide full capability. Why the developers of this app didn't do that is a question in my mind. A couple of ways to do this come to mind...limit the number of photos you can import into the app, or cripple the sharing and export functions.

If "the app is selling well so far" why aren't there any ratings or reviews for it on the app store? And if it's that great of a photojournalist's tool, are there any reviews of it on PJ sites and forums? I would have thought they would have pushed early versions of this app out to sites who could spread the word. Just curious.

Oh and BTW, the whopping $99.99 price is an "introductory price"? What in the world will the full price be?
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Butch Miller, Photographer
Lock Haven | PA | USA | Posted: 11:49 AM on 11.06.12
->> I agree Jim, for an app at an "introductory" offering ... (does that mean the app will cost more in the near future?) ... at this price point I would have thought the developer would have made the app available to a few kew bloggers for appraisal and review prior to the actual launch ... the lack of user feedback is a real hinderance to spending that amount of money for an iOS app ... sight unseen ...

I have nothing against this app ... and it could be quite good ... but I'm not going to pay that rate to be a beta tester ... and I certainly don't see the value of incurring a higher price tag later on for this app because I waited to hear back from reviewers and early adopters ... as I said earlier, at that price, I don't see the incentive to not use the laptop and software I already own to have the convenience of a tablet ... or use the much less expensive software and my iPad that has proven itself in the filed for several years ...
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Chuck Liddy, Photographer, Photo Editor
PLANET | EARTH | | Posted: 11:58 AM on 11.06.12
->> The owner replied to my query. it sounds interesting. but again, as several others have suggested I'm looking for real reviews by photojournalists actually using it on deadline. as butch says if it isn't some kind of "game changer" for convenience and workflow I would just stick with my computer and the workflow I have now....I certainly hope it works as advertised. according to the creator/owner it has some pretty nice workflow features and he seems to be open to tweaking it.
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Daniel Malmberg, Photographer, Photo Editor
Huskvarna | Sweden | Sweden | Posted: 9:24 AM on 11.08.12
->> I just took the risk, and bought the app.
My plan is to test it, and write a review.
Hopefully i will be able to give my first impressions later today.
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Daniel Malmberg, Photographer, Photo Editor
Huskvarna | Sweden | Sweden | Posted: 8:10 PM on 11.09.12
->> My first impressions.
After testing on a iPad 2.
I like the concept a whole lot
But it has a lot of bugs.
If the developers can fix the bugs.
Then it would be a great app for some situations/jobs.
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Mat Boyle, Photographer
Pitman | NJ | United States | Posted: 10:22 PM on 11.09.12
->> I took the risk too and bought the app. Ive been wanting an Ipad app I could use code replacement with. Like Daniel, I like the concept of the app but also ran into a ton of bugs when I was testing it out. For the football game I covered tonight, I used the app for all my deadline filing. It worked without any issue tonight. So far I like the app, I plan on using it for most of my deadline filing.
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Daniel Malmberg, Photographer, Photo Editor
Huskvarna | Sweden | Sweden | Posted: 7:24 PM on 11.15.12
->> After my last post in this threas, David, the developer of this app contacted me (he was really fast with that).
And he has worked out all bugs i have found so far.
I realy like this app.

The latest version is not available in itunes store yet.
But i guess it will be there quite soon.
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Ben Mackey, Photographer
Columbia | MD | USA | Posted: 7:11 PM on 11.18.12
->> Mark,

In case you're still looking for a way to mirror an iPad screen, take a look at this. While it isn't free and requires a cable, it has worked well for me. You do get letterboxing but the the aspect ratios on most monitors don't match that on an iPad, so the mismatch wasn't a surprise.

http://store.apple.com/us/product/MD826ZM/A/lightning-digital-av-adapter
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Dennis Wierzbicki, Photographer
Plainfield | IL | USA | Posted: 9:23 AM on 12.10.12
->> Any further tests of PicturePro? A fellow sports photographer buddy of mine in FL has used it a couple times, most recently this past weekend at an NBA game, and reports very promising results.

Anyone else have more in depth experience?

Even at $99, if this app can do what it claims, it might be the tipping point to get me into an iPad. I'm trying not to compare the cost of PicturePro to the pricing of other iApps, but rather to look at the value it might bring to my workflow.

Up to now, I've viewed Apple's tablet as a toy I could mostly live without. In reality, $99 is a small price to pay for something that looks like it offers virtually all the capabilities of Photo Mechanic (which I value as one of the best programs I've ever owned) at a lower price and on a much more portable platform.
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Larry W. Smith, Photographer
Dallas | TX | USA | Posted: 1:39 PM on 12.13.12
->> Does anyone know if there is a compact flash card reader that can be used with a iPad MINI? the new iPads use the new lightning connectors for power so I didn't know if there was a way to connect a compact flash card reader to the new lightning connectors on the new iPads?

Thanks

Larry
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Butch Miller, Photographer
Lock Haven | PA | USA | Posted: 2:04 PM on 12.13.12
->> Larry ... Apple does offer a Lightning to 30-pin adapter ($29) ... so it could possibly work with some of the previously iPad friendly CF readers ... but I haven't read or heard of anyone using it in this manner ...

If you can use SD cards, there is an SD to Lightning cable available ...

It shouldn't be too long before we see some other options ...
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Chuck Liddy, Photographer, Photo Editor
PLANET | EARTH | | Posted: 4:58 PM on 12.13.12
->> I was just in the Apple store yesterday and the only adapter they had for the mini was the SD card attachment as butch said. I imagine someone will soon make an adapter
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Preston Mack, Photographer
Orlando | FL | | Posted: 8:44 PM on 12.13.12
->> I am testing out the iPad 4 with my Nikon gear. Here is what I have found:

- The Nikon D800 (L) jpg file (36 megapixels) is too large - the iPad 4 will not ingest them. When I downsize the JPG to Medium (20 megapixels), it ingests just fine.
- The Lightning to USB adapter will work with the Kodak 50 in 1 adapter (Kodak A250) so you can use that to ingest CF cards.


Has anyone really tested out the PictureProApp for iPad? I think that $100 for an unproven piece of software is risky - I'd like to have a full review before I buy it.
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Butch Miller, Photographer
Lock Haven | PA | USA | Posted: 8:56 PM on 12.13.12
->> "Has anyone really tested out the PictureProApp for iPad?"

I find it intriguing that the app has been on the App Store for over two months and has not received one rating or review ... I'm not trying to denigrate the app ... merely making an observation that the app has been discussed in this thread than anywhere else on the web.

In fact if you do a Google search for "PicturePro App review" and you get zip, zilch, zero links about the app ...

I too would be interested ... but I am not blindly going to jump in without some experienced user detailed feedback.

Good to know the newer iPad models still work with the A250 ...
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Dylan Wilson, Photographer, Assistant
Savannah | GA | USA | Posted: 9:14 PM on 12.13.12
->> There is now a PicturePro Lite app in the app store. It doesn't work on first generation iPads, so I can't try it out, but I'm curious to know how well it works.
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Dennis Wierzbicki, Photographer
Plainfield | IL | USA | Posted: 9:48 PM on 12.13.12
->> I know of a shooter in So Fla who has covered one or two games this past week using PicturePro and reports, other than a couple minor bugs (like only being able to save on a 0-100 quality scale, and not on file size - something that's being worked on) it is a "game changer". He's not a SportsShooter member, but maybe I can cajole him into writing a review somewhere online.

I've spoken with the developer, who's also from the Chicago area, and it sounds like the app is pretty much new to the market, as in 1-2 months post release. I wasn't aware of a "Lite" version, but I just looked it up, and sure enough, it's free. Doesn't say how the capabilities of the "Lite" version compare to the full one.

I don't have an iPad of any kind (yet), but for those of you who do, what are you waiting for?
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Preston Mack, Photographer
Orlando | FL | | Posted: 10:13 PM on 12.13.12
->> I am trying the Picture Pro LITE app now.
I think that you cannot export an image with the lite version.

It seems OK so far. I think the way the caption IPTC fields is a little confusing. I didn't know how to import a saved IPTC form. It was under the "write" icon. It should be "IMPORT"
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Butch Miller, Photographer
Lock Haven | PA | USA | Posted: 10:20 PM on 12.13.12
->> "I don't have an iPad of any kind (yet), but for those of you who do, what are you waiting for?"

Because the Lite version was just posted TODAY ... in fact it didn't show up on the App Store this afternoon ... and it can only run on iOS 6 or later, I'm still rocking the original iPad which is maxed out at iOS 5.1 ... (Hoping Santa will bring me an upgrade ;-) ) ... so I will have to let others pave the way ....
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Marvin Gentry, Photographer
Birmingham | AL | USA | Posted: 10:53 PM on 12.27.12
->> Any more info on Picture Pro Lite yet? I have played with the lite version a little see,s like it will work
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Larry W. Smith, Photographer
Dallas | TX | USA | Posted: 9:24 PM on 12.28.12
->> I am beginning to us PictureProApp on iPad Mini everything working great but I not able to connect to my iPad and App via ftp to retrieve my sent photos, does anyone have any suggestions? I created a Built in ftp server and put settings into Transmitt but am not able to connect, is there a setting on iPad I need to adjust in order for this to work?

Thanks

Larry
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Jon Cunningham, Photographer
Lisle | IL | USA | Posted: 8:34 PM on 02.24.13
->> I've been playing with Filterstorm, PicturePro Lite, and Photogene. For speed to work with, Photogene blows the other two away, at least the way I work. Problem is, Photogene leaves a yellow date stamp at the bottom of the photo. I'm sure this is fixable, but will someone who regularly uses Photogene please tell me how to get rid of it (without taking it into Photoshop)?
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Jonathan Roberts, Photographer
Louisville | KY | USA | Posted: 9:40 PM on 02.24.13
->> PicturePro's price has been lowered to the very tempting $49.99.

https://itun.es/us/4ioVH.i
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Jon Cunningham, Photographer
Lisle | IL | USA | Posted: 8:57 PM on 02.26.13
->> Found the Photogene date stamp switch. Problem solved. New problem, changing file name to match my newspaper's needs. Filterstorm allows it to be done on export, but Photogene does not seem to have a way.

Also, Preston is correct on the export issue with Picture Pro Lite, which would be most of us' reason to use one of these softwares in the first place. Guess it's either risk $49.99 to test PP's exportability, or stick with the better known Filterstorm.

Any better suggestions?
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Chris Peterson, Photographer, Photo Editor
Columbia Falls | MT | USA | Posted: 10:26 PM on 02.26.13
->> Jon, if u export from Photogene to Dropbox, you can change the file name.
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Steve Conner, Photographer
Eagle | iD | USA | Posted: 11:06 PM on 02.26.13
->> I use Eyefi Cards and Photogene seems to work well. I actually use two different Eyefi cards in my 1DIV's send to either my Iphone 5 or Ipad. Haven't had many issues at all with it.
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Chuck Liddy, Photographer, Photo Editor
PLANET | EARTH | | Posted: 10:33 AM on 02.27.13
->> Steve, curious as to using the eyefi cards. we have had lots of problems with them, especially with our newer cameras...the file sizes (not in raw either) are so big it takes forever to transfer files...sometimes it just won't even work at all. so are you making the file size smaller to accommodate the eyefi? just curious.
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Preston Mack, Photographer
Orlando | FL | | Posted: 12:38 PM on 02.27.13
->> I bought Picture Pro and I wrote my review for Sportsshooter.
It will be posted in the next issue.
It is a very positive review.
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Butch Miller, Photographer
Lock Haven | PA | USA | Posted: 12:46 AM on 02.28.13
->> Preston ... can't wait to read your appraisal .... as far as I can tell ... this would be the first review of the app ...
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Chuck Liddy, Photographer, Photo Editor
PLANET | EARTH | | Posted: 10:25 AM on 02.28.13
->> I've been using snapseed. it's cheap. it works well for toning and cropping then I just email the photo with the caption in the text of the message to the desk. no it's not the greatest but if I have to only send one or two photos on deadline or update our website it is fast. when I tried picturepro it looked promising but it still had a few bugs in it (which are probably fixed by now). looking forward to the review.
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Jon Cunningham, Photographer
Lisle | IL | USA | Posted: 10:11 AM on 03.04.13
->> Chris Peterson, thanks for the DropBox tip. I use DB a lot for other things, but had not considered it for file renaming on the fly. Still, at this time, I'm more comfortable entering IPTC, and file renaming, directly within the editing program. For that reason, I'm currently using Filterstorm (thanks to Butch Miller, as well). I like the PhotoMechanic feel of Filterstorm, and being able to save different IPTC templates for the different newspapers that I shoot for. I too look forward to Preston's review of Picture Pro. I have the lite (non-transmitting) version of PP, but ease of transmitting might be what could make me switch. Filterstorm does a nice job with that, and the price is almost 1/4 that of PP.
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