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PBR World Finals
Marc Paulus, Photographer, Photo Editor
Las Vegas | NV | USA | Posted: 9:06 PM on 10.24.12
->> I am shooting the PBR World Finals at the Thomas & Mac this week. Any suggestion on shooting there at the event?
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Greg Kendall-Ball, Photographer, Assistant
Columbia | MO | USA | Posted: 9:16 PM on 10.24.12
->> When are the Natty Light Finals?
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Jim Colburn, Photographer
Omaha | NE | USA | Posted: 10:03 PM on 10.24.12
->> Peanut Butter & Raspberry?
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David Hungate, Photographer
Roanoke | VA | United States | Posted: 10:19 PM on 10.24.12
->> I didn't know Pabst had world finals.
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Les Stukenberg, Photographer, Photo Editor
Prescott Valley | AZ | USA | Posted: 12:26 AM on 10.25.12
->> Marc,
I shot them many years ago, 12 to be exact, but the best place to shoot action was from the center arena photo pit. They ran two arenas back then and you could just shift back and forth between the arenas from the center photo pit. Back of the chutes for up close and personal features. Light was abysmal but nowadays with high ISO quality you can make it work. I don't know about strobe restrictions if you guys have them premounted. If you do and can use them that's the way to go. I think Andy Watson is still their main photog and he is a great guy! Find him and see what he's doing I know back then he lit the arena.
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Sam Morris, Photographer
Henderson (Las Vegas) | NV | USA | Posted: 12:46 PM on 10.25.12
->> Introduce yourself to the regular rodeo/bull photographers and ask them any questions you might have. Try to work around them, as this is their Super Bowl. Wear your Wranglers and have fun.
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Patrick Fallon, Photographer, Assistant
Torrance | California | USA | Posted: 12:50 PM on 10.25.12
->> Check on dress code.
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Phil Hawkins, Photographer
Fresno | ca | usa | Posted: 1:18 PM on 10.25.12
->> One word of warning; I've had a lot of experience shooting PBR, and they have a long way to go in learning how to deal with photogs. In the two times I've shot their events, both times we were simply thrown in the front row of the stands... Maybe the finals will be different, but I sensed a complete disconnect with understanding the needs of photographers. Additionally, on the third occasion we submitted cred requests and were approved, yet when I got to the arena I got twenty questions, and they didn't take me out until the show was well under way. (They lead photographers out to the "shooting area" en masse just mere seconds before the show starts.)

We were not given access to the chutes or the back area... There was no such thing as walking around like at a football game or rodeo... You shoot from your given location.

Good luck in writing your captions. Both times I asked for results summaries, and they looked at me like I was crazy. The rides come pretty quick, so knowing what a particular rider did, his time, name of the bull, injury reports and so on will be next to impossible to get unless you keep track of it yourself.
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Nic Coury, Photographer
Monterey | CA | | Posted: 1:24 PM on 10.25.12
->> I shoot the PBR stop in Salinas every July.

Pay attention to cowboys and animals. They're both wild.

Also, wear clothing you don't mind getting dirty. Mud and bull poo fly ALL over the place.
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Patrick Fallon, Photographer, Assistant
Torrance | California | USA | Posted: 1:48 PM on 10.25.12
->> I'm serious about the dress code - some rodeos require jeans/boots/western attire/hats.
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David A. Cantor, Photographer, Photo Editor
Toledo | OH | USA | Posted: 2:03 PM on 10.25.12
->> "Mud and bull poo fly ALL over the place."

Sounds like a newsroom...
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Butch Miller, Photographer
Lock Haven | PA | USA | Posted: 3:30 PM on 10.25.12
->> "Sounds like a newsroom..."

Or at times ... the SS Message Board ... :D
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Nic Coury, Photographer
Monterey | CA | | Posted: 3:37 PM on 10.25.12
->> P Fallon brings up a good point.

Dress the part, as funny as that sounds. You'll get more respect if you have a cowboy hat. It's really a thing.
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Clark Brooks, Photo Editor, Photographer
Urbana | IL | USA | Posted: 4:29 PM on 10.25.12
->> "Good luck in writing your captions. Both times I asked for results summaries, and they looked at me like I was crazy. The rides come pretty quick, so knowing what a particular rider did, his time, name of the bull, injury reports and so on will be next to impossible to get unless you keep track of it yourself."

Sound about like shooting cheerleading, badminton, cross country or any other sport where the competitors don't wear numbers.
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Phil Hawkins, Photographer
Fresno | ca | usa | Posted: 5:37 PM on 10.25.12
->> Clark, funny thing is they DO wear numbers. But PBR offers nothing to the press to help identify riders nor provide info on the results post-event. They have lots of info in the media room about PBR in slick, bound marketing pieces but nothing like what you get at the end of a basketball or football game with game results and event and individual statistics.

I've always believed PBR's biggest problem is learning to treat their legitimate sport like a legitimate sport. They do nothing to try to make it easy for the media to cover. The attitude I've always felt is that they are paranoid you're going to take advantage of them somehow.
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Ric Tapia, Photographer, Photo Editor
Los Angeles | CA | USA | Posted: 7:59 PM on 10.25.12
->> I am sure a dress code will be in force. I didn't dress like this for my health: http://www.sportsshooter.com/funpix_view.html?id=9707
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Marc Paulus, Photographer, Photo Editor
Las Vegas | NV | USA | Posted: 9:43 PM on 10.25.12
->> Thanks everyone for the input. The dress code is long pants and a button shirt. I am got Wranglers and a long sleeve western shirt and hicking boots. Thanks again.
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Jim Colburn, Photographer
Omaha | NE | USA | Posted: 10:00 PM on 10.25.12
->> It's really sad that they demand a "dress code".

It's as if Colonial Williamsburg insisted that you dress in a frock coat and tri-cornered hat before taking pictures there...

Or NASCAR wanted you to wear flameproof Nomex...

Or the NFL made you wear shoulder pads...

Or the Texas State Fair fried everything in your camera bag before you were allowed on the property...

Or the Romney Campaign made you learn what tea-bagging REALLY means before letting you on the riser...
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John OHara, Photographer
Petaluma | Ca | United States | Posted: 12:37 AM on 10.26.12
->> OK, I have to join in on this one. Rodeo is not your normal sporting event. Strangers ( you ) are considered outsiders. First consideration is the dress code. PRCA, PBR, and including high school and junior rodeo requires, Wranglers, long sleve western shirt and a hat( boots are NOT a requirement, I wore cleats for 12 years in the rodeo arena. They are very good for climbing up a cyclone fence in a big hurry). This is a requirement to be on the arena floor. Sitting in a seat , is a different story. This group of people are suspicious about multiple versions of animal rights people.
Well before the event begins, ( hours, not minutes) find the show secretary and get a copy of the draw sheets for the rodeo. This will get you your ID's. In the rough stock event, the first buck out of the chute is the piviotal moment for a correct bull riding photo. The riders spurs should be in the shoulders of the animal. Everything else is for journalism and sometimes pretty good photos. Something to consider, these riders have been photographed going back to the days when they were 6 yrs. old riding calfs. One more photo to them is like one more coffee at Starbucks to us. They would like one, but it is only worth $2.00.
Getting behind the bucking chutes is a tough one. There is limited room. If you get there early, very early and wander around in the stalls. You might befriend some bull rider and get his invitation to the back of the chutes. I do not recommend getting on the arena floor if your not familiar with rough stock and how they work. Some bull will have you for lunch. Then you will be the subject of many other photographers.
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Alex Menendez, Photographer
Orlando | FL | USA | Posted: 8:35 AM on 10.26.12
->> Phil and John Ohara are DEAD ON!
The PRCA and other Associations have a group of photogs that travel the circuit or cover individual states...you have to be elected into this group...so already you are at a disadvantage for major access....
Just mind your business and try to meet the "official photog" if you can, they are really awesome people, but keep in mind they make their entire living off the sales of these photos, from wire services to the individual competitors...
Just be nice and polite and you will be fine...

One major suggestion I can offer is to film the scoreboard when the riders name comes up on the Big Screen, then snap a shot of them in the shoot....DONT forget to do this or the whole point of identifying the rider is mute... this method saves my ass every rodeo..(and ive shot a lot)...

Also, from experience.....If a cowboy is talking to a very pretty lady or down on a knee praying...take the shot from a distance, dont interrupt.

Have fun!
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