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Arena Lighting setup
Joshua McCoy, Photographer
Bowling Green | KY | USA | Posted: 10:21 AM on 08.15.12
->> Hey guys and gals, Im sure this has been discussed a million times on here already, but im having trouble finding the right thread. Im needing to light Tad Smith Colisiuem at Ole Miss for Basketball season. Im able to use the school's money, so what is your ideal strobe for an arena? elinchrom? white lightning? should i go highest power or a lower one for recycle time? any info is appreciated..

thanks!
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Tim Cowie, Photographer, Photo Editor
Davidson | NC | USA | Posted: 10:46 AM on 08.15.12
->> How many seats in the arena? In other words, how big is the arena. You might not be able to buy monoblock strobes that provide enough watts/sec output at a flash duration that is fast enough. You may need to go with Dynalites or Speedotron 2401SX and their appropriate heads.
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Robert Hanashiro, Photographer
Los Angeles | CA | | Posted: 10:46 AM on 08.15.12
->> Two articles from the Sports Shooter Archives will get you started:
Arena lighting by Darrell Miho
http://www.sportsshooter.com/news/81

Understanding flash duration by Shawn Cullen
http://www.sportsshooter.com/news/1888
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Joshua McCoy, Photographer
Bowling Green | KY | USA | Posted: 10:59 AM on 08.15.12
->> thanks guys. that was exactly what i was looking for.
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Tim Cowie, Photographer, Photo Editor
Davidson | NC | USA | Posted: 11:19 AM on 08.15.12
->> I would love it if someone like Shawn or Darrell would do a new article regarding arena lighting. Pros and cons of today's equipment. For instance, there is a big difference in the Elinchrom 1000R and the current Elinchrom 1000S strobes. They don't make the sport strobe anymore and are tough to find.

The flash duration on the new Elinchrom 1000s are not ideal and recycle time is a little long. Their knowledge on the subject is unbelievable.

BTW - looking at the arena online, I don't think 4 - Elinchrom 600s with long throw reflectors is going to be enough, especially if you want to get 3 or so stops above ambient.
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Robert Hanashiro, Photographer
Los Angeles | CA | | Posted: 11:35 AM on 08.15.12
->> Larger arenas, especially one that has pretty good existing light that needs to be overpowered, I think Speedos are the way to go.
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Al Goldis, Photographer
East Lansing | MI | USA | Posted: 1:07 PM on 08.15.12
->> I'm curious how many would get Speedo over Dynalite if you were spending someone else's money. Are Speedos really better or have they just been around longer and are the old standard?
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Randy Sartin, Photographer, Assistant
Knoxville | TN | USA | Posted: 1:46 PM on 08.15.12
->> While we are on the subject, I am lighting a smaller basketball arena this winter, 1,700 seats with a low ceiling. Am I completely crazy to be looking at Einsteins for this? Thanks!
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Nigel Farrow, Photographer
Suffolk | UK | United Kingdom | Posted: 2:05 PM on 08.15.12
->> Having trouble finding it but I recall a thread by Robert Caplin several years ago whilst he was still a student where he explained the whole process of lighting an arena which I found helpful at the time. Might be worth emailing him.
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Rick Yeatts, Photographer
Dallas | TX | USA | Posted: 2:45 PM on 08.15.12
->> I use the Dynalite sports set up and was a beta tester before they were released. This will be my third season using them. There were issues with flash tubes but that has been addressed and worked out. They have a recycle time cant be matched. Shooting the drive and the dunk or rebound no problem it's all happens in seconds too. They are perfect for college hoops and another studio work you would have in the off season. Speedos are proven but the capacitors are not what they use to be and blow out a lot. Though you will find with heavy use at full power on a pack & heads you will have normal maintance will apply to anything you buy (some more than others). In all honesty it come down to who's going to give you the best support and who do you want to spend your money with. Give Peter a call at Dynalite about the sports setup. He will give you the full run down on specs so you can make a more informed decision for whichever manufacture you choose.
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Michael Chen, Assistant, Photographer
Saratoga | CA | USA | Posted: 3:13 PM on 08.15.12
->> Use Speedotron (hasn't changed much design-wise) or Dynalite.

Take a look at this thread that Patrick Fallon started last year. Note that Jordan Murph strongly recommends bringing in an experienced consultant. You'll likely want to get in touch with one of the nice folks mentioned by Jordan, or Patrick Murphy-Racey.

http://www.sportsshooter.com/message_display.html?tid=37647
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Stanley Leary, Photographer
Roswell | GA | USA | Posted: 8:09 PM on 08.15.12
->> with the new PocketWizard MiniTT1 you can shoot faster sync speeds and therefore need less power to light the arena.

The Power Rangers seems to be one of the best systems to sync at high sync speeds.

Check it out here
http://blog.pocketwizard.com/?tag=hypersync

This is a game changer and makes a lot of the old threads irrelevant in my opinion.
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Jeffrey Nycz, Photographer
Warsaw | IN | USA | Posted: 8:27 PM on 08.15.12
->> Used Einsteins in an 1800 seat areana and worked great. Ran them in sport mode (half power); flash duration 1/2000 at T.1. Not bad for a $500.00 strobe.

Clamped them to the I-beams in the ceiling using 6" C clamps that I drilled a hole though the casting and used all-thread through the hole to mount the strobe. Fired with PW's. Only downside was the tournament was 4 days in length requiring changing batteries in the PW. This year I'll purchase the AC adapters.

Good luck!
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Stanley Leary, Photographer
Roswell | GA | USA | Posted: 8:43 PM on 08.15.12
->> here is the article on Dave Black using the high speed sync http://blog.pocketwizard.com/?p=2956#more-2956
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Tim Cowie, Photographer, Photo Editor
Davidson | NC | USA | Posted: 12:56 PM on 08.16.12
->> Here are the recycle times for the Dynalite AP1600 arena series with AH4000 heads. Cost is about $1150-$1600 per set depending on your situation.

1600ws Full = 1.10
             -0.2 = 1.00
             -0.4 = 0.90
             -0.6 = 0.80
             -0.8 = 0.75
             -1.0 = 0.66
800ws   Full = 0.70
             -0.2 = 0.65
             -0.4 = 0.55
             -0.6 = 0.50
             -0.8 = 0.45
             -1.0 = 0.40
400ws   Full = 0.45
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Bobby McDuffie, Photographer
Ocean Springs | MS | USA | Posted: 10:24 PM on 03.31.14
->> Josh, I have the opportunity to do the same at a school I shoot for. What strobe / setup did you end up going with? Thanks, Bobby McDuffie.
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Patrick Murphy-Racey, Photographer
Knoxville | TN | USA | Posted: 10:38 PM on 03.04.15
->> This video explains how to install a 4 head arena strobe system from Dynalite in a large basketball arena:

https://www.youtube.com/edit?o=U&video_id=1IyD1mLgyeM
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Brad Tollefson, Photographer, Assistant
Lubbock | TX | USA | Posted: 10:56 PM on 03.04.15
->> Just as a quick fix, here's the right link. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1IyD1mLgyeM
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Patrick Murphy-Racey, Photographer
Knoxville | TN | USA | Posted: 11:37 PM on 03.04.15
->> thanks much brad... pm-r :)
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Marvin Gentry, Photographer
Birmingham | AL | USA | Posted: 2:25 PM on 03.05.15
->> Enjoyed the video!
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Tom Ewart, Photographer
Bentonville | AR | USA | Posted: 10:11 PM on 03.05.15
->> If it's money no object go with ProFoto's, but then again it has to be money no object...
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Mark Buffalo, Photographer
Lonoke | AR | USA | Posted: 1:26 AM on 03.06.15
->> Very interesting video. A lot different than setting up my two Alien Bees in a small high school gymnasium!
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Patrick Murphy-Racey, Photographer
Knoxville | TN | USA | Posted: 8:42 AM on 03.06.15
->> Tom, you'd have to be Sam Walton himself to be able to afford a Profoto system for arena lighting that would even hope to compete with the Dynalite gear, and it still wouldn't.

To compete, you'd have to use their 2400 w/s Pro pack and their Acute 2 Twin head (similar to Dynalite's). This would get you 1/1800th duration vs. Dyna's 1/2500th.

So you would have spent $64,896 to light one basketball arena to get motion blur in the shoelaces, the ball, and fingertip motion.

You could buy 9 Dynalite systems that would leave the Profotos at the starting line every time for the cash outlay to get into the Profotos.

Anyone shooting hoops on strobes at this point in the game is not making that kind of cash... I know I'm not. I know you are just kidding but man... who can afford that stuff? They have one very nice focusable sport reflector that sells for over $700.00 Sheesh! Obscene!!!!
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Robert Beck, Photographer
Carlsbad | CA | USA | Posted: 9:04 PM on 03.09.15
->> I can't find a rental house that carries the AH4000 and AP1600. Any suggestions for testing/trying out the system?
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Patrick Murphy-Racey, Photographer
Knoxville | TN | USA | Posted: 10:37 PM on 03.09.15
->> Robert, Dynalite has a four head system for testing for newspapers and team photogs. Best thing is to work through your dealer to do that. If you call me, I can maybe help you get that going too... pm-r
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Tim Cowie, Photographer, Photo Editor
Davidson | NC | USA | Posted: 10:02 AM on 03.10.15
->> Robert - the AH4000 and AP1600 are great. I think they will hook you up with a test set. If you need a contact, let me know.

Tim
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Patrick Murphy-Racey, Photographer
Knoxville | TN | USA | Posted: 2:58 PM on 03.26.15
->> OK, here is the Part II of the arena lighting video series I've been working on. The first one dealt with massive NBA style arena strobes where you have to have gobs of power, it's a long ways from the catwalk to the floor, and you have extremely high light levels (ambient) to overcome.

This video deals with a situation more closer to your home: the small college arena with no catwalk. Enjoy!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j__j1dPzncM
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