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Nikon D3s to D4 Value Proposition?
Gordon Haywood, Photographer
Perth | West Australia | Australia | Posted: 5:16 AM on 07.22.12
->> I shoot motorsport and thinking of upgrading from a D3s to a D4. For those that have a D4, and have upgraded from a D3s, what are the killer benefits from the change?

Any regrets?

Cost vs Return?
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Svein Ove Ekornesvaag, Photographer
Aalesund | Møre og Romsdal | Norway | Posted: 6:52 AM on 07.22.12
->> What do you miss in the D3s? Make a list and compare it with the D4 specs.
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Gordon Haywood, Photographer
Perth | West Australia | Australia | Posted: 7:09 AM on 07.22.12
->> That is just it, the D3s isn't a bad camera, it does everything well. Just the D4 does it better. How much better I'm not sure. Looking for users experiences, thoughts and real work impressions.
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Debra L Rothenberg, Photographer
New York | NY | USA | Posted: 7:58 AM on 07.22.12
->> I sold the D3s to get the d4 and then bought back the d3s. Why? This is what I don't like about the d4, and why it's the first time I didn't buy a new Nikon:
new battery
new card. I am not 100% convinced that the new card is the future, and didn't want a camera that would end up like Betamax-they thought that was the future and it died slowly.
I also didn't want to have to carry another charger if I travelled.

The first D4's were shipped with the new card and card reader but I am not sure if they are anymore and if either are readily available. When I was looking to purchase the D4, they were not available.

Those were my main reasons. For as many people that I have heard loving the camera, I know just as many who are disappointed. FOr now, I am very happy with the 3s
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John Kraus, Photographer
San Francisco | CA | USA | Posted: 9:53 AM on 07.22.12
->> I just switched over and am very, very happy with the D4. Here are some reasons:

- Handling. It's noticeably lighter than the D3s. Thank you Nikon! Ergonomics are better as well, whether in horizontal or vertical position. Vertical in particular is improved.
- AF system is the new one and matches the D800. Less controls on the camera which is fine by me. Allows you to look through the lens and without taking your eye away make all AF choices- single, continuous, full auto, 3D, single point, 9 point, 51 point, etc. Brilliant.
- Images are noticeable sharper due to larger sensor.
- Camera can be set to switch focus points going from horizontal to vertical. So you have one point ready to go in each orientation.
- Live View is better implemented. Includes a Silent function that I've seen no mention of but it's there. Not Quiet mode- totally silent.
- Very good level adjustment, easy and quick to read.
- Radically improved video, though still some IQ issues with images being a touch soft in FX and DX modes. There's a 2.7X native HD mode that is tack tack sharp.
- Focuses in light up to one stop darker. Fantastic. Also allows you to use F/8 lenses- for instances an f/4 lens with a 2x extender now focuses well.
- AF implementation based on facial recognition. And it really works. Not only does the camera find the face, it focuses on the eyes.
- Focusing faster, snappier in low light.
- New metering system that's reading a lot more info to decide exposure. This applies to improve ambient AND improved flash exposures.
- That's just a start. Lots of other improvements as well.Nikon has done a great job of slick, smart evolution. Doesn't market as well, not as 'sexy' as a brand new camera like the D800, but a real workhorse, only better.
- BTW I held back on making the switch, one concern being the XQD format. Now Lexar has joined in to make them, and I believe it'll be here for a long time. And the cards work very, very well.
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Robert Hanashiro, Photographer
Los Angeles | CA | | Posted: 11:38 AM on 07.22.12
->> John covered most of the things I would say are improvements.

As Rob Galbraith writes in his recent evaluation of the D4s, there is improvement in the AF performance, most notably in the focus acquire area. Personally I can test to this improvement with my coverage of the recent U.S. Olympic Gymnastics Team Trials in San Jose. The first-frame focus is significantly improved in my opinion and like the D3s, once it has focus, unless you really lose your "target" it hangs on.

But a couple of areas that John did not touch on, let me address briefly:
- For those of us that shoot a lot of video with DSLRs, the D4's addition of on-board audio monitoring is key. The ability to hear what the camera is "hearing" AND to be able to visually monitor the audio capture via a meter in the viewfinder is wonderful. Make no mistake, if you're serious about shooting video, this feature is extremely important.

- The addition of the ability to capture still images simultaneously with video capture. While the still image is not full-res, this feature gives the photographer a decent option when faced with the age-old quandary: Should I be rolling video? Or shooting a still? If you need a hi-res file, this is certainly not the way to go, but if you are shooting an interview of a baker as he's making bread, you can bang off several stills for the "print side" as you capture video for the "web side" of your publication. (And completely silent I might add .. which brings me to the last thing on my list ...)

- My colleague Bob Deutsch pointed this feature out to me this week: The D4 in LiveView mode has the ability to shoot stills at 24 FPS...silently. For those covering a golf tournament, this might be useful for shooting during a competitor's swing. You can shoot at 24 fps for up to 5 second (120 frames). Again these are not full-res files, 1920 x 1080 which Bob said comes to about an 8 meg file when opened in Photoshop. Also, this feature can be used triggered by a PocketWizard.

The D3s is a wonderful camera. If you don't need the improved video features (audio monitoring) and you're happy with the AF performance maybe there isn't the need to spend the $$$ to switch?

Just one photographer's opinion...

(I have images shot with the D4 at the Olympic Gymnastics Trials currently on me Sports Shooter member page as well as my Facebook page.)

Thanks!
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Yamil Sued, Photographer, Photo Editor
Peoria | AZ | USA | Posted: 1:32 PM on 07.22.12
->> I was one of those that sold one D3s to get the D4 and never did!!

Several reasons and some are like Deb's

1- Battery + Charger, same as Deb's
2- Card, same as Deb's
3- Cost of Upgrading, spending $24K is not in my budget right now, I'm self employed. At that time I had 4 D3's and one D3s now I have four D3's, it a pain to travel with two kids of chargers and two kinds of batteries while I upgraded bodies one at a time.
4- 99% of my work is in bright sunlight, my D3's are still doing what they are supposed to be doing, I treat them well and they do the same for me, they go to Nikon every year for a nice tune up and come back to work some more.
5- The only video I shoot is studio product stuff for a Video production company, the D800 does the job for me and I don't need sound or AF for that, 99% of that product is shot with the 85mm PC-E Lens to take advantage of the Scheimpflug principle, I can't stop doing it, even after selling my View Camera almost 7 years ago.


Will I upgrade in the future?? Sure, maybe. I'll give it some time. I'm willing to bet they will start showing up at Fred Miranda's for a very good price in the future!! I got a D3 with 4K actuations for $3K there in 2009, so there will be nice D4's showing up there soon.
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Preston Mack, Photographer
Orlando | FL | | Posted: 5:45 PM on 07.22.12
->> Strictly from a STILLS perspective...
I love the D4, but I was upgrading from the D3.

I think that the difference from the D3s to the D4 is not that great.
If you do not need the megapixel upgrade, it may be best to wait.
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Gordon Haywood, Photographer
Perth | West Australia | Australia | Posted: 7:57 PM on 07.22.12
->> Thanks All. Shoot 100% stills so video holds no incentive in the purchase. I do like the D3s and it does everything very well. Wondering if the product was allowed to mature for 12 months if we would see the price settling a little, and with the D1X then in direct competition on the street. I guess the same goes for XQD, with Lexar in the game the IMHO ridiculous pricing (in Oz at least) for the technology may ease a little. It's a tough choice, new bright and shiny toys do hold some attraction... The two big changes/improvements for me are the improved AF and larger sensor (more MB / smaller but smarter sensor photosites).

Alternative is new glass - a 300 f2.8 is calling me :), and it won't decline in value in 12 months like the D4, plus I will probably own new glass for my lifetime, unlike a new body.
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Preston Mack, Photographer
Orlando | FL | | Posted: 8:01 PM on 07.22.12
->> Not sure if the format will "last" but the XQD card is really fast.
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Robert Hanashiro, Photographer
Los Angeles | CA | | Posted: 1:03 AM on 07.23.12
->> Not to "bend" the focus of this thread too much ... another cool feature is the new time lapse function that produces the video file in-camera...

(Thanks again to my buddy Bob Deutsch for pointing this feature out to me as well!)
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Brad Barr, Photographer
Port St. Lucie | FL | USA | Posted: 7:09 PM on 07.23.12
->> Hey Gordon....buy the 300 2.8 first. Good glass is always a better investment than a cam body anyway. D3s-D4 is not much of an improvement imo. (I'd certainly take one in addition to my d3s however). I was hoping it'd have improved yet again on high iso performance over the d3s...but in reality it has not.
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Gordon Haywood, Photographer
Perth | West Australia | Australia | Posted: 3:49 AM on 07.24.12
->> >> Hey Gordon....buy the 300 2.8 first. Good glass is always a better investment than a cam body anyway. D3s-D4 is not much of an improvement imo. (I'd certainly take one in addition to my d3s however). I was hoping it'd have improved yet again on high iso performance over the d3s...but in reality it has not.

Thanks Brad, good advice
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Gordon Haywood, Photographer
Perth | West Australia | Australia | Posted: 5:28 AM on 07.26.12
->> Took Brad's advice and put a deposit down on a LNIB 300 f2.8 VRII today.
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