Story   Photographer   Editor   Student/Intern   Assistant   Job/Item

SportsShooter.com: The Online Resource for Sports Photography

Contents:
 Front Page
 Member Index
 Latest Headlines
 Special Features
 'Fun Pix'
 Message Board
 Educate Yourself
 Equipment Profiles
 Bookshelf
 my.SportsShooter
 Classified Ads
 Workshop
Contests:
 Monthly Clip Contest
 Annual Contest
 Rules/Info
Newsletter:
 Current Issue
 Back Issues
 Subscribe
Members:
 Members Area
 "The Guide"
 Join
About Us:
 About SportsShooter
 Contact Us
 Terms & Conditions


Sign in:
Members log in here with your user name and password to access the your admin page and other special features.

Name:



Password:







||
SportsShooter.com: Member Message Board

Olympic team portraits
Cy Cyr, Photographer
Orlando | FL | United States | Posted: 1:55 AM on 07.01.12
->> Just read / noticed this link: http://solsticevisuals.com/post/26229830602/outrage-over-the-photographs-of...

Anyone have more information about it?
 This post is:  Informative (1) | Funny (0) | Huh? (0) | Off Topic (0) | Inappropriate (0) |   Definitions

Max Gersh, Photographer
Rockford | IL | USA | Posted: 1:59 AM on 07.01.12
->> I was just about to post this. The photos are on CBS's website as well. Are these the real deal? http://tinyurl.com/7m8cub4
 This post is:  Informative (0) | Funny (1) | Huh? (0) | Off Topic (0) | Inappropriate (0) |   Definitions

Andrew Fielding, Photographer
Los Angeles | CA | USA | Posted: 6:22 AM on 07.01.12
->> Did he watch Zack Arias's One Light Workshop the night before and decide to try it on the Olympic team portraits?
 This post is:  Informative (1) | Funny (1) | Huh? (0) | Off Topic (0) | Inappropriate (0) |   Definitions

Michael L. Palmieri, Photographer
Barnegat | NJ | USA | Posted: 8:07 AM on 07.01.12
->> http://www.sportsphotographer.net/sports_photographer/olympic-photos/

Oi.
 This post is:  Informative (0) | Funny (0) | Huh? (0) | Off Topic (0) | Inappropriate (0) |   Definitions

Paul Alesse, Photographer
Coram | NY | USA | Posted: 8:07 AM on 07.01.12
->> Yup... a black eye on our industry for sure.
 This post is:  Informative (0) | Funny (0) | Huh? (1) | Off Topic (0) | Inappropriate (0) |   Definitions

Paul Alesse, Photographer
Coram | NY | USA | Posted: 8:24 AM on 07.01.12
->> Just a hunch, but I don't think this set would get the "Seale" of approval.
 This post is:  Informative (0) | Funny (3) | Huh? (0) | Off Topic (0) | Inappropriate (0) |   Definitions

Chuck Liddy, Photographer, Photo Editor
PLANET | EARTH | | Posted: 11:25 AM on 07.01.12
->> Man, those suck. I mean REALLY suck.
 This post is:  Informative (5) | Funny (0) | Huh? (0) | Off Topic (0) | Inappropriate (1) |   Definitions

Jason Myers, Photographer
West Palm Beach | FL | USA | Posted: 1:18 PM on 07.01.12
->> Ouch....
 This post is:  Informative (0) | Funny (0) | Huh? (0) | Off Topic (0) | Inappropriate (0) |   Definitions

Alex Menendez, Photographer
Orlando | FL | USA | Posted: 1:29 PM on 07.01.12
->> HUH? WTF
 This post is:  Informative (0) | Funny (0) | Huh? (0) | Off Topic (0) | Inappropriate (0) |   Definitions

Albert Pena, Photographer, Photo Editor
Dallas | TX | United States | Posted: 5:29 PM on 07.01.12
->> Wow, cant believe those were even allowed to be submitted.

Here are some good ones by my buddy Kevin took at the same Summit...bit.ly/LZwRNO
 This post is:  Informative (1) | Funny (0) | Huh? (0) | Off Topic (0) | Inappropriate (0) |   Definitions

Jacob Langston, Photographer
Orlando | FL | | Posted: 6:34 PM on 07.01.12
->> I can't believe this dude copied my style. Not cool.
 This post is:  Informative (0) | Funny (8) | Huh? (0) | Off Topic (0) | Inappropriate (0) |   Definitions

Yamil Sued, Photographer, Photo Editor
Peoria | AZ | USA | Posted: 8:12 PM on 07.01.12
->> I don't know what to say!! I've had to do Location shoots with no time to set up and I have NEVER done that CRAP!!

This is deplorable!!
 This post is:  Informative (0) | Funny (0) | Huh? (0) | Off Topic (0) | Inappropriate (0) |   Definitions

David Hungate, Photographer
Roanoke | VA | United States | Posted: 8:14 PM on 07.01.12
->> I really appreciate the odd use of a wide lens and worn and torn seamless paper. I haven't tried that approach before.

Many will be awarded gold, silver and bronze in London this month. These photos win "brown".
 This post is:  Informative (0) | Funny (9) | Huh? (0) | Off Topic (0) | Inappropriate (0) |   Definitions

Michael L. Palmieri, Photographer
Barnegat | NJ | USA | Posted: 6:42 AM on 07.02.12
->> David -- I couldn't agree more. That seamless adds a classy touch.
 This post is:  Informative (0) | Funny (0) | Huh? (0) | Off Topic (0) | Inappropriate (0) |   Definitions

David Harpe, Photographer
Denver | CO | USA | Posted: 9:13 AM on 07.02.12
->> Wow

Doing a quick Google search it looks like most of his published work is celeb shots, sports action and general assignment. Not seeing much posed/portrait/studio work.

Not that it's an excuse, but it could be he just doesn't have much experience doing this sort of work. He can take a good picture...just looks like this time around he may have been in over his head. Would love to know the backstory on this. I'm sure we'll hear it soon...
 This post is:  Informative (2) | Funny (0) | Huh? (0) | Off Topic (0) | Inappropriate (0) |   Definitions

JD Malave, Photographer
FPO | AE | United States | Posted: 9:15 AM on 07.02.12
->> I seams like this is some kind of joke gone viral. Shaking my head that these were released. Maybe an assistant released these unedited to bash the photog? I haven't seen this guys work.

JD
 This post is:  Informative (0) | Funny (0) | Huh? (0) | Off Topic (0) | Inappropriate (0) |   Definitions

Brian Blanco, Photographer
Tampa / Sarasota | FL | USA | Posted: 9:22 AM on 07.02.12
->> Please tell me we're not bashing this poor guy for a second straight day?

We've all had bad shoots; every single one of us. This guy, from looking around the web, clearly does not specialize in lighting and portraiture and likely did the best he could, outside of his comfort zone, under very stressful circumstances.

I'd like to show you guys some of the garbage I've shot, and moved to the wire, over the years.
 This post is:  Informative (16) | Funny (0) | Huh? (0) | Off Topic (0) | Inappropriate (0) |   Definitions

Armando Solares, Photographer
Englewood | FL | USA | Posted: 11:34 AM on 07.02.12
->> BB,

Yes, we've all had bad shoots. But this is beyond one bad shoot. This is several bad shoots rolled in to one. And then to move all the photos and post them. Do they not hire photo editors anymore? At the very least most of us would have picked the best of the bad and cut our losses.

It's not even about the bad photos it is about the bad aesthetic, the lack of attention to detail, the torn paper, cut-off limbs etc...
 This post is:  Informative (1) | Funny (0) | Huh? (0) | Off Topic (0) | Inappropriate (0) |   Definitions

Paul Alesse, Photographer
Coram | NY | USA | Posted: 11:50 AM on 07.02.12
->> I can understand the forced poses given the time and space constraints. I can understand the lighting mistakes under those same circumstances. What I don't understand is the torn and wrinkled seamless.

Hate to say it, but the only time where a viewer really doesn't notice or care about that is on a porn shoot.

Otherwise... no excuse. NONE.
 This post is:  Informative (0) | Funny (1) | Huh? (0) | Off Topic (0) | Inappropriate (0) |   Definitions

Brian Blanco, Photographer
Tampa / Sarasota | FL | USA | Posted: 12:21 PM on 07.02.12
->> Hey, I didn't say the images didn't suck... it's just that a one-day beating should have covered it. A two-day beating? Now that's just plain mean.

I can go through the archives of every shooter I know and find a bad shoot (I'm in the process of editing one of my own right now). Last I checked, Joe didn't ask for our critique and neither did his editors and since I didn't assign him to this, and I'm not the one paying him then it affects me zero.
 This post is:  Informative (10) | Funny (0) | Huh? (0) | Off Topic (0) | Inappropriate (0) |   Definitions

David Manning, Photographer, Assistant
Orlando | FL | USA | Posted: 12:40 PM on 07.02.12
->> Well Said, Brian.

This industry is too small to berate a shooter over a bad assignment or a bonehead move that we've all had to deal with.
 This post is:  Informative (2) | Funny (0) | Huh? (0) | Off Topic (0) | Inappropriate (0) |   Definitions

Octavian Cantilli, Photographer, Assistant
Orlando | FL | United States | Posted: 1:01 PM on 07.02.12
->> Brian + 1! Move on...
 This post is:  Informative (1) | Funny (0) | Huh? (0) | Off Topic (0) | Inappropriate (0) |   Definitions

G.J. McCarthy, Photographer
Dallas | TX | US | Posted: 1:42 PM on 07.02.12
->> I liked them.
 This post is:  Informative (2) | Funny (5) | Huh? (1) | Off Topic (0) | Inappropriate (1) |   Definitions

Armando Solares, Photographer
Englewood | FL | USA | Posted: 1:54 PM on 07.02.12
->> I'm not even berating him (well yes, I am a little.) I'm berating his editors even more. Or the agency that put these out. Let's say he had a bad day - let's not move the photos and tarnish his name. But the photos are out and his editors failed him.

And since I was too busy enjoying my Sunday at the pool and watching the Eurocup final - I didn't get on here to voice my opinion then.

But I hear you BB. I'm not paying him, but whoever did - they can hire me next time and maybe I'll do a better job : )

If not I'll take my word beating in public here at SportsShooter.
 This post is:  Informative (0) | Funny (0) | Huh? (0) | Off Topic (0) | Inappropriate (0) |   Definitions

Dan Routh, Photographer
Greensboro | NC | USA | Posted: 1:55 PM on 07.02.12
->> If you look around over Facebook and the like, these images are everywhere, and the consensus is they are very poorly done. Not knowing what it took to produce them, I don't want to judge the photographer. The picture editor, however, should have known better and never let them run. More of an example of what is "good enough" for the web, and how far we have sunk.
 This post is:  Informative (1) | Funny (0) | Huh? (0) | Off Topic (0) | Inappropriate (0) |   Definitions

Jon Gardiner, Photographer
Durham | NC | USA | Posted: 1:58 PM on 07.02.12
->> http://photographyblog.dallasnews.com/2012/05/photographing-over-100-olypmi.../
 This post is:  Informative (3) | Funny (0) | Huh? (0) | Off Topic (0) | Inappropriate (0) |   Definitions

Brian Blanco, Photographer
Tampa / Sarasota | FL | USA | Posted: 2:08 PM on 07.02.12
->> There's no "maybe" about it Armando; I've known you for a long time... I've yet to see a bad frame come out of your camera.
 This post is:  Informative (0) | Funny (0) | Huh? (0) | Off Topic (0) | Inappropriate (0) |   Definitions

Armando Solares, Photographer
Englewood | FL | USA | Posted: 2:10 PM on 07.02.12
->> I've seen plenty : )
 This post is:  Informative (0) | Funny (0) | Huh? (0) | Off Topic (0) | Inappropriate (0) |   Definitions

Paul Alesse, Photographer
Coram | NY | USA | Posted: 2:41 PM on 07.02.12
->> Yup, you know, you're right. There is a person behind that lens and a person who has a family to feed like all of us. I'm ready to move on.
 This post is:  Informative (2) | Funny (0) | Huh? (0) | Off Topic (0) | Inappropriate (0) |   Definitions

Tim Cowie, Photographer
Davidson | NC | USA | Posted: 10:41 PM on 07.02.12
->> Apparently trending on Yahoo! right now.

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/olympics-fourth-place-medal/photographer-hars...
 This post is:  Informative (0) | Funny (0) | Huh? (0) | Off Topic (0) | Inappropriate (0) |   Definitions

John J Coleman, Photographer, Photo Editor
Milford | Ct | United States | Posted: 10:44 PM on 07.02.12
->> I just looked at them on Yahoo. I seen enough.
 This post is:  Informative (0) | Funny (0) | Huh? (0) | Off Topic (0) | Inappropriate (0) |   Definitions

Richard Hurtado, Photographer
Temecula | CA | USA | Posted: 10:52 PM on 07.02.12
->> What a joke!
 This post is:  Informative (0) | Funny (0) | Huh? (0) | Off Topic (0) | Inappropriate (0) |   Definitions

Mark Kauzlarich, Photographer, Student/Intern
Madison | WI | | Posted: 10:53 PM on 07.02.12
->> Supposedly there are more (and better) portraits out there, as I discovered (beyond what Jon posted).

http://www.slrlounge.com/update-additional-photos-from-the-us-olympic-media...

And yes, they're USPW, sorry for any undue harm that linking them may cause. I did like a few of them though.
 This post is:  Informative (3) | Funny (0) | Huh? (0) | Off Topic (0) | Inappropriate (0) |   Definitions

Chuck Liddy, Photographer, Photo Editor
PLANET | EARTH | | Posted: 11:05 PM on 07.02.12
->> It seems after reading the blog about how this shoot was conducted and the conditions...that the cold hard fact of the matter is this guy was way out of his element. there are several different shooters who made great portraits.
 This post is:  Informative (1) | Funny (0) | Huh? (0) | Off Topic (0) | Inappropriate (0) |   Definitions

G.J. McCarthy, Photographer
Dallas | TX | US | Posted: 3:07 AM on 07.03.12
->> Jon -- check's in the mail, amigo.
 This post is:  Informative (0) | Funny (2) | Huh? (0) | Off Topic (0) | Inappropriate (0) |   Definitions

Chuck Steenburgh, Photographer
Lexington | VA | USA | Posted: 7:51 AM on 07.03.12
->> I imagine if someone went through a thread like this, assembled full-size copies of everyone's SS icon, and published them on the web, the reaction would be similar.
 This post is:  Informative (0) | Funny (0) | Huh? (3) | Off Topic (0) | Inappropriate (0) |   Definitions

Michael L. Palmieri, Photographer
Barnegat | NJ | USA | Posted: 7:54 AM on 07.03.12
->> Chuck S -- there's a world of difference between the silly things some do with their SS icons and shooting portraits of the US Olympic team. I do hope that you wrote in jest.
 This post is:  Informative (1) | Funny (0) | Huh? (0) | Off Topic (0) | Inappropriate (0) |   Definitions

Kent Nishimura, Student/Intern, Photographer
Honolulu | HI | USA | Posted: 9:41 AM on 07.03.12
->> dang chuck s - i know im ugly. but y u gotta bring it front and center??
 This post is:  Informative (0) | Funny (2) | Huh? (0) | Off Topic (0) | Inappropriate (0) |   Definitions

Debra L Rothenberg, Photographer
New York | NY | USA | Posted: 10:34 AM on 07.03.12
->> for what it is worth, I read that the photographers there that day had about 2 minutes to shoot and it was set up like an assembly line. I have also seen other photos from this day that were very similar (and a few identical) to what he did.
Have you ever been in a room with LOTS of other photographers and handlers and they are rushing you along? I have had 30 second portrait shoots with celebrities but I at least had time to go in before hand to se up my lights and background. How many times have each of you finished a shoot only to say "ah, I wish I did..."
Until everyone knows the full story behind these photos, we shouldn't be so harsh. Like I said..I have seen other images from this shoot that were on par to these...it's just that these have reached more of the masses so he is being ripped apart more. I really hope that those writing awful things about him aren't stoning him to his face-I think he has suffered enough from the mean comments all over.
 This post is:  Informative (2) | Funny (0) | Huh? (0) | Off Topic (0) | Inappropriate (0) |   Definitions

Chuck Liddy, Photographer, Photo Editor
PLANET | EARTH | | Posted: 10:52 AM on 07.03.12
->> Debra, I'll repost this link that Jon Gardiner posted yesterday.

http://photographyblog.dallasnews.com/2012/05/photographing-over-100-olypmi.../

it shows the set-up for MOST of the photographers. USPRESSWIRE apparently had a separate room as did Sports Illustrated that allowed more room to shoot. The other shooters in the cramped areas seemed to turn out pretty nice photos. Really, there was no excuse for this kind of work from a professional. We've all worked under crappy conditions at one time or another...that isn't really an excuse if you're a professional. That actually is the difference in a professional and someone who is not. Professionals get the job done.
 This post is:  Informative (0) | Funny (0) | Huh? (0) | Off Topic (0) | Inappropriate (0) |   Definitions

Ben Liu, Photographer
Lubbock | TX | | Posted: 10:59 AM on 07.03.12
->> Has anyone taken the opportunity to go visit his website?

He does good photojournalism work but portraits are not his strength. Like Chuck Liddy said, the guy was probably just out of his element.
 This post is:  Informative (0) | Funny (0) | Huh? (0) | Off Topic (0) | Inappropriate (0) |   Definitions

G.J. McCarthy, Photographer
Dallas | TX | US | Posted: 11:08 AM on 07.03.12
->> Hey Steenburgh:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2VhlDoyiI8c
 This post is:  Informative (0) | Funny (2) | Huh? (0) | Off Topic (0) | Inappropriate (2) |   Definitions

Michael Ciu, Photographer, Assistant
Lorain | OH | USA | Posted: 11:09 AM on 07.03.12
->> There are "Epic Fails." This is an "Olympic Fail!"
 This post is:  Informative (0) | Funny (1) | Huh? (0) | Off Topic (0) | Inappropriate (0) |   Definitions

G.J. McCarthy, Photographer
Dallas | TX | US | Posted: 11:42 AM on 07.03.12
->> And another thing:

Whether or not he was "out of his element" (... wait for it...) doesn't matter to me. The fact is it's wasted space, and a waste of time for every one of the athletes who had to pose for the guy.

I'm not hot shit at portraits either, but believe you me I would have been a lot better prepared for a gig of this level. Either he should have better prepared for it, or the governing body (employer, whatever) that sent the guy there should have better prepared him or made different choice on the shooter. Period.

(... wait for it...)

Seems pretty cut and dry to me. Feel for the dude, sure, but it's still a pretty sizable [profanity] up that's reverberated far beyond our little circle in the photog world. That last point should speak volumes.

Cheers,

(...wait for it...)

- gerry -

http://outofyourelementliterally.ytmnd.com/
 This post is:  Informative (0) | Funny (0) | Huh? (1) | Off Topic (0) | Inappropriate (0) |   Definitions

Chuck Liddy, Photographer, Photo Editor
PLANET | EARTH | | Posted: 3:57 PM on 07.03.12
->> Geez, I went into my local camera store today and THEY were talking about it.
 This post is:  Informative (0) | Funny (1) | Huh? (0) | Off Topic (0) | Inappropriate (0) |   Definitions

Gene Boyars, Photographer
Matawan | NJ | United States | Posted: 5:47 PM on 07.03.12
->> I usually avoid posting here all together and when it comes to threads like this I am even more tempted to stay away but something Debra said stuck a cord with me. I am not a portrait guy, I am a once was photo-journalist and a sports guy. That said, for the past too many years I have done MLB photo days in Florida. It is has become a very similar set up. Lots of stations, not a lot of space, 70+ people to shoot and if you are lucky, 90 minutes to shoot them all. It is a challenge for sure but as a professional I arrive well prepared, set it all up, test the hell out of it and sit for an hour before the line starts. If I am doing full length stuff then I know I need to bring muslin because when people walk on seamless it rips. I have my basic ideas in mind and I have my lighting plan ready to set up before hand. Is my stuff exciting? no but it looks professional and it what my client wants because I am a professional and I am expected to deliver what the client wants. I really don't think that the client was a happy camper on this one....
 This post is:  Informative (2) | Funny (0) | Huh? (0) | Off Topic (0) | Inappropriate (0) |   Definitions

Jack Howard, Photographer, Photo Editor
Central Jersey | NJ | USA | Posted: 6:01 PM on 07.03.12
->> "This overworked photographer never becomes a slave to a routine, always photographs "a little differently" and produces top-level reportage photography with a high aesthetic and emotional charge."

"He always tries to capture ordinary situations in a new way using a combination of astute observation, natural light, different viewpoints, momentary atmospheric conditions, variety of lenses, and combinations of time exposure and aperture. He thinks in advance of all possible situations and compositions. He never sets up his pictures."

http://www.czechphotogallery.cz/en/klamar2011.html

Well, there's an aesthetic, and an emotional charge, to this set of images. And seriously, deconstructing and exploring the boundaries between the players and the stage, and what's normally outside the viewfinder, or hidden by focal length choices and exposure decisions to blitz a crinkled background to pure whiteness, and show that the background wasn't really a blank slate in the Matrix, but was really just a piece of cardboard. Sheer, artistic brilliance. This isn't mere photojournalism. This takes the world-class athletes down a notch and makes you realize that despite their physical prowess, they can be made to look pathetic in the eyes of a creative genius.

And it's not about the performers, it's about the artist. That's what matters most to the true artist.

This is the spheres of reportage and fine art meeting over an angry hung-over breakfast at at airport cafe chewing a sandwich made four days ago on a different continent while waiting for a connecting flight to somewhere else for something equally insignificant, like getting back home to see your kids in the leading role in a school play. Art suffers no fools and knows no boundaries.

This is a media day witnessed by a transcendent modern photographic artist that really has taken his game to the next level. Of course the workaday photographers wouldn't understand. This is "art." Plain and simple.
 This post is:  Informative (0) | Funny (2) | Huh? (1) | Off Topic (0) | Inappropriate (0) |   Definitions

Matthew Jonas, Photo Editor, Photographer
Longmont | CO | USA | Posted: 7:26 PM on 07.03.12
->> Just got this in my inbox at the paper. Never miss an opportunity to make yourself look good at the expense of another. Photography is a cutthroat industry but this seems like a jerk move. I purposely left out the name in hopes that he understands the way this makes him look.

"Would you be interested in speaking to Los Angeles based celebrity photographer John XXXXX about the recent Olympic photographer's "amateur" shots of this year's U.S. Olympians?

With years of experience shooting high profile events and celebrities ranging from Mike Tyson to former President Bill Clinton, John XXXXXX would be perfect to comment on why the images have received such negative feedback, what makes the images appear "shoddy" and "amateur," and why the photographer might have chosen this aesthetic.

Can I make John available to you for an interview?"

Best,

Tania XXXXXX"

What do you think?
 This post is:  Informative (2) | Funny (2) | Huh? (0) | Off Topic (0) | Inappropriate (0) |   Definitions

Jack Kurtz, Photographer
Phoenix | AZ | United States | Posted: 9:10 PM on 07.03.12
->> Photojournalist Kenneth Jarecke chimes in on this issue on his blog today. Like all his blog entries, this one is worth a read.

http://kennethjarecke.typepad.com/mostly_true/2012/07/joe-klamer-my-hero.ht...

Some valid points about the companies that are (or are not) sending their photo staffs to the Olympics.
 This post is:  Informative (6) | Funny (0) | Huh? (0) | Off Topic (0) | Inappropriate (0) |   Definitions

Eric Isaacs, Photographer, Assistant
Santa Barbara | CA | USA | Posted: 9:19 PM on 07.03.12
->> And FIFTY!
 This post is:  Informative (0) | Funny (0) | Huh? (0) | Off Topic (1) | Inappropriate (0) |   Definitions

This thread has reached the maximum number of posts
If you would like to continue it, please create a new thread.
[ Create new thread? ]



Return to --> Message Board Main Index
Longtime newspaper photographer turned commercial photographer feeding a va More Info Here ::..