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USA Today Olympic Photographer spots given to US Presswire.
Jack Megaw, Photographer
Philadelphia | PA | America | Posted: 8:10 PM on 05.14.12
->> I don't want to offend anybody by posting this - but it needs to be said.

I can't stand this. USA Today photographers are not going to cover the Olympics since their spots have been given to US Presswire by parent company Gannett. One of the credentialed USPW team is a teenager who is the daughter of US Presswire photographer Richard Mackson. I have worked myself into the ground to get where I and will continue to do so. But it's a bit much when by being somebody's daughter you can get credentialed to cover the Olympic Games in London.

This goes to show how Gannett and US Presswire are continuing to undercut the work of professionals and degrade journalism. Couldn't agree more with this blog by John Harrington. Well said.

http://photobusinessforum.blogspot.com/2012/05/usa-today-us-presswire-at-us...

-Jack
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Jamey Price, Photographer, Assistant
Charlotte | NC | USA | Posted: 8:30 PM on 05.14.12
->> Since when did we start caring who gets offended in this forum?

The truth hurts.
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Mark Kauzlarich, Photo Editor, Student/Intern
Madison | WI | | Posted: 8:49 PM on 05.14.12
->> Holy crap. I know that there are a few upper-tier photographers who work for US Presswire and make "good" money for their positions versus other people who shoot for them on spec and turn out... well... photos? But 99% of the time when I look at the work or the websites of shooters its just crazy what they turn out, and not in a good way.

So now, they cut out some super talented photographers to save money? I don't think that the lack of quality will go unnoticed, if thats what ends up happening. Who knows, maybe you won't notice and the 99% aren't representative. Maybe the best of the best for US Presswire will be there and its the same quality as before. But I've never aspired to be a US Presswire photographer.

I'm sorry if you shoot for US Presswire and are offended by what I've said, but I don't really hold spec shooting in high regard for its threat to the longevity of the industry. I'm sure everyone is quite nice, but thats not what I'm arguing against.

And I'm assuming that Robert is the one thats still shooting the Olympics?
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Brad Barr, Photographer
Port St. Lucie | FL | USA | Posted: 8:51 PM on 05.14.12
->> Or maybe...just maybe...the USPW shooters...who by definition cover sports, simply are just as good or better at covering sports than their usa today counterparts.

Credentials also include non photographic positions too...ie cardrunners, editors and such, so who is to say that:

A. This teenage daughter is even gonna be in a shooting position

or

B. That she isnt a fantastic photog in her own right?

Maybe she sucks...maybe she's frickin Michelangelo with a camera, but none of us actually knows right? So this is all just BS until the actual facts are discovered....as usual.

and Frankly..if it was my son/daughter you all were talking shit about....damned right I'd be pissed.

How about stop whining...stop worrying about stuff you cant control....its getting pretty old.

Spend your energy on something positive. You'll live longer.
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Jack Megaw, Photographer
Philadelphia | PA | America | Posted: 8:58 PM on 05.14.12
->> Brad,

Let me make this clear. I am not annoyed at all with Richard Mackson's daughter. Actually if you're a teenager and you can get credentialed for the Olympics - great - power to you. I hope she makes the most of it and comes back with some stunning images. In the same position there is no way I would turn down that opportunity.

What really hacks me off is the Gannett/USPW policies.

-Jack
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Randy Sartin, Photographer, Assistant
Knoxville | TN | USA | Posted: 9:01 PM on 05.14.12
->> "->> Brad,

Let me make this clear. I am not annoyed at all with Richard Mackson's daughter. Actually if you're a teenager and you can get credentialed for the Olympics - great - power to you. I hope she makes the most of it and comes back with some stunning images. In the same position there is no way I would turn down that opportunity.

What really hacks me off is the Gannett/USPW policies.

-Jack"

Then maybe you should have left her out of it?
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Andrew Nelles, Photographer
Chicago | IL | usa | Posted: 9:01 PM on 05.14.12
->> Brad, it might be in your best interest to look up who on the USA Today's staff frequently covers sports before you hypothetically question their skill. You'll probably be linked back to this site.
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Brad Barr, Photographer
Port St. Lucie | FL | USA | Posted: 9:11 PM on 05.14.12
->> >>of course Andrew. I'm totally NOT saying the USA Today photogs are anything but first rate. BUT....everyone else is saying clearly that USPW shooters are not up to the task. I can tell you...every USPW photog I know and have shot with has been the equal to any of the AP/GETTY/Reuters/Staff photogs there period. Thing is...several had better access. Even the events I shot this weekend, the Getty guys had access to spots I didnt. So compare apples to apples, and I'll put the Presswire guys I know up against anyone for any given event. We already stand our own every event we shoot actually. I look at every shoot as a competition against whomever else is also covering the event. I also look at their takes after the event and see just who came out on top. I'll take my win loss record....and that of the USPW shooters work I've watched as well.

I guess my point here is simply that the level of imagery will NOT suffer due to this purported "slight".
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Rick Osentoski, Photographer
Martin | OH | United States | Posted: 9:15 PM on 05.14.12
->> There's a list of credentialed photographers? Where?
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Jack Megaw, Photographer
Philadelphia | PA | America | Posted: 9:20 PM on 05.14.12
->> Randy, I couldn't leave her out of it because it demonstrates the policies of Gannett/USPW. I didn't name her because I feel that would be out of order.

-Jack
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Israel Shirk, Photographer, Assistant
Boise | ID | US | Posted: 9:48 PM on 05.14.12
->> Brad- You must be a really bad judge of photography. H+K, Israel.
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Paul Hayes, Photographer, Photo Editor
Littleton | NH | USA | Posted: 10:00 PM on 05.14.12
->> I'd be interested in hearing Bert's take on this. His opinion on the matter would carry a lot of weight with me.

Side note: From a purely financial perspective, doesn't it make sense for MORE American papers to cut back on Olympic coverage, given the relative lack of interest in, and reader demand for, Olympic coverage?
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Greg Kendall-Ball, Photographer, Assistant
Abilene | TX | USA | Posted: 10:01 PM on 05.14.12
->> http://www.reactiongifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/tumblr_ljh0puClWT1qf...
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Sam Morris, Photographer
Henderson (Las Vegas) | NV | USA | Posted: 10:20 PM on 05.14.12
->> I don't know if you have ever worked for an extended period of time for a paper. I have worked for one now for 13 years. I trade my copyright and control of what I produce for the security of a steady paycheck. I also put my heart and soul into my work and treat the paper as my own. I believe the USA Today photographers do as well. In return, we expect to get non-monetary compensation. Things such as covering an Olympics. In my case, I have finally shown my paper the benefit to sending me on the road to cover UNLV basketball. I am a journalist and my coverage is markedly different than what you would get from the AP, Getty or US Presswire. I am telling a story and as such, I am not using a lot of armpit or dunk shots in my coverage, which is a lot of what you will get from a wire. I can also tailor my photos to what my writer is doing and we discuss things so we both know what page we are on. To have that taken away from photographers who I assume work the same way, on the eve of finalizing plans, and handed to a bunch of freelancers who have nothing to do with your paper is akin to a slap in the face. At least to me - I can't speak for the USAT photographers who planned on going.

I'll let others speak to the business model of US Presswire and the larger issues surrounding this move.
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Chuck Liddy, Photographer, Photo Editor
PLANET | EARTH | | Posted: 10:23 PM on 05.14.12
->> Mr. Shirk +2
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Chuck Liddy, Photographer, Photo Editor
PLANET | EARTH | | Posted: 10:33 PM on 05.14.12
->> If you didn't see something like this coming you were blind. read some of the threads when gannett purchased presswire...there were several members who warned something like this was bound to happen. and brad, seriously, that was a joke right? if it wasn't I truly feel sorry for you.
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Matt Strasen, Photographer, Photo Editor
Dallas | TX | USA | Posted: 11:23 PM on 05.14.12
->> I'm sorry to pile on Brad, but I have to disagree with you too. There are some good people that shoot for USPW, but...

Sam, I agree with you 100%. As a former newspaper photojournalist, it is ingrained into my workflow to get with the reporter/pr people about what they are looking for, what is the story of the game/event, etc. Regardless of who I am working for, I try to have a plan setup for our team coverage...not just making pretty pictures that I think will sell later on. It's all about the story of the game/event.
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Mark Kauzlarich, Photo Editor, Student/Intern
Madison | WI | | Posted: 11:31 PM on 05.14.12
->> On the topic of storytelling:

Where you have AP or Getty who also are in the business of selling images, I find that for them, they too have some storytelling component to the work they put out. Take for example one of my favorite photographers, Win McNamee out of DC for Getty. I look at his photos and I can always infer a deeper story out of the images with very little background knowledge. They provide a level of coverage that I think is closer to what most photojournalists are used to, and for them it is not a quantity over quality thing.

Not that anyone was jumping on AP or Getty, but I figured it should be said.
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Sam Morris, Photographer
Henderson (Las Vegas) | NV | USA | Posted: 11:50 PM on 05.14.12
->> Thanks for reminding me Mark - I didn't mean to paint the wires with a broad brush. There are some great storytellers, some of the best in the business and some of the best ever, who work for the AP and Getty. When I was a stringer for the AP I tried to work the same way as I do know. What I was getting at is that if you value your coverage as a paper, you can't plan on anything other than the basics from a wire.

If you rely on freelancers, all you can rely on is the bare minimum. If what you want for your paper/website is a basic action photo, that's fine. They have no real financial reason to go beyond what they need to do to keep being used. I am sure there are plenty of stringers who are busting their butts and are taking that extra step, but you can't rely on that as a photo/copy editor for your paper if that is what you want.

I guess it's not so bad. They could have gotten an email about a new furlough...
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Matt Strasen, Photographer, Photo Editor
Dallas | TX | USA | Posted: 12:23 AM on 05.15.12
->> Thanks Mark, agree with you about AP and Getty. And Sam, one of the clients I do things the same as I did for my newspapers was AP, along with one of my main clients now DMN.
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Mark J. Terrill, Photographer
Simi Valley | CA | USA | Posted: 12:49 AM on 05.15.12
->> I'm not going to get into the pros and cons of US Presswire or the differences in quality between their photographers and others. It's just not worth my time. I think like any other organization there are good and bad.

What I will say is that I know Richard Mackson's daughter and I can tell you that she is a very good photographer. I'm not sure that she is credentialed to shoot in London, but if she is, I'm sure she will do a good job.

And Brad. Anytime you want to have a shoot-off buddy, I'm there. (-;
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Jack Megaw, Photographer
Philadelphia | PA | America | Posted: 12:56 AM on 05.15.12
->> I have an apology to make. I fully regret mentioning Richard Mackson's daughter. It was unfair of me to do that and victimise her. I was attempting to summarise the blog post and I regret mentioning that part and putting her down like that.

On the rest my feelings are unchanged.

Cheers.

-Jack
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Sam Morris, Photographer
Henderson (Las Vegas) | NV | USA | Posted: 1:08 AM on 05.15.12
->> Sorry, I have to make one last comment regarding quality. It's only one word.

Allsport.
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Jon Gardiner, Photographer
Durham | NC | USA | Posted: 7:02 AM on 05.15.12
->> Brad Barr: "Even the events I shot this weekend, the Getty guys had access to spots I didn't."

Is it that they HAD access to "better spots" or they simply had better planning skills based on experience/vision and gained access through their ability to see there was a better vantage point and work to gain access?

It's not just about what you do with the camera...

-J
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Joseph Rogate, Photographer
Seaford | NY | USA | Posted: 7:50 AM on 05.15.12
->> A very respected editor in the business once told me when the paper was making cuts, "they don't care, there will be a photo in tomorrows paper"
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Thomas B. Shea, Photographer
Pearland/Houston | TX | USA | Posted: 8:49 AM on 05.15.12
->> I am just wondering does US Presswire have shooters who live in London? If not is US Presswire going to pay for the airfare, food, hotel and other expenses of the shooters they are sending? I would think the expenses would be more than the $150.00 assignment rate. As a full-time freelance photographer I would not go to London unless my pay was much more than my expenses.
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Brad Barr, Photographer
Port St. Lucie | FL | USA | Posted: 9:44 AM on 05.15.12
->> Jon..I asked and was denied before the meet. So no..there was no superior vision...there was superior access. There was also a guy in the pool....but you must also consider what we as contract photogs are willing to do for the fee set forth. Everything has a limit and/or a price. I'm a certified diver, but I'm sure as hell not gonna shoot the event from in the pool (and all that entails) for 125.00. Same with strobing arena sports. Sure i "can" do it. But no I'm not gonna do that either for that price. There are limits and common sense to what you do for the price paid.

Thomas...do you really think uspw photogs are gonna travel to another country to shoot and lose money? Please folks, learn the facts before you shoot off with comments...or isnt that still proper procedure for all you "journalists"?

As for story telling....yes some ap and getty guys do a great job of it....certainly. But so do just as many uspw shooters...and usually uspw shooters dont have some of the little benefits I see the "bigger guys" have...ie editors, and cardrunners, company gear, premium access so the fact that in many cases the end resulting images are better than the "big guys" or certainly just as good actually supports the idea that maybe these guys are pretty darned good after all despite all the negative comments here.

I make my living with a 100% camera, same as a lot of you. I'm after the storytelling, compelling shots same as you. I want to beat you every time we shoot together...and I'm sure you want to beat me and every other shooter out there. Thats good, that breeds better imagery. Time to stop putting yourselves up on this high horse and realize we are all after the same thing. We are all feeding our families, and striving for the best images possible given our assignments. So....can we please stop the company bashing??? It does no good, other than to be hurtful. Most of it is highly inaccurate. None of it is anything you or any of us can control. Time to act more respectfully and professionally to the guys who are only doing the same thing you are every week.
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Chuck Liddy, Photographer, Photo Editor
PLANET | EARTH | | Posted: 9:51 AM on 05.15.12
->> I think any photographer who works for a Gannett publication should take this as a warning of things to come. Covering your team which you followed all year in the NCAA basketball tournament? nope. why would the paper pay the thousands of dollars it takes to send a shooter on the road when they can get photos from a guy who makes $150 a game? the local collegiate baseball team makes it to the college world series. not you. and I don't think this is going to only affect the tournament coverage. even out of town big games will be on the block. airfare/lodging/ground travel/meals usually add up to about $750+ for an away game. so now you have the $150 spec shooter saving $600+ PLUS the staffer is at home to shoot the pet of the week. sad state of affairs.
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Brad Barr, Photographer
Port St. Lucie | FL | USA | Posted: 10:08 AM on 05.15.12
->> Chuck, that scenario....when viewed from the corporate side sounds pretty intelligent actually. No, its not as glamorous...traveling with the team. But "if" you have in place a network of really great photogs that can shoot that away game (which is a home game for the guy at that stadium) just as good...why wouldnt you do it?

Look....the publishing world has changed. Many have fallen. Big companies have fallen. Rather than just bitching about it, ask yourself how they can become profitable again. Cause if they do not...then no photog positions can exist right??

A case could be made that the shooter in the rival town..who shoots at that venue every day/week probably knows the spots/angles etc better than the traveling joe, who gets to that staduim almost never; probably will shoot images at least as good as the traveling photog right? The one downside would agreeably be the weight of coverage on the home team I grant you. So now the paper has to weigh the cost savings involved vs the potential unshot images. Now...you add in the fact that AP/Getty et al will also be covering that game, and they have access to those images too, and the business model now starts to make even more sense.

Not what we all want to hear, but it is reality. Look at it from a corporate view...one that is trying to survive and remain profitable, and it doesnt look stupid at all.
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Chuck Liddy, Photographer, Photo Editor
PLANET | EARTH | | Posted: 10:10 AM on 05.15.12
->> Brad, let's be clear. you don't do the same thing I do every week, much less every day. no one on this thread is being disrespectful. please tell me what's inaccurate. according to your website you work on spec for SCG, one of the big offenders in spec sports work. professionalism? really? the "new" SCG shooter that works in one of the venues I work at comes to the games with a canon rebel with a 28-135 4.5-5.6. I have yet to see him put the camera to his face during a game. he spends the game talking smack to whoever will listen. he then comes into the media work area after the game where at least twice we have had to get the SID to move him because he continually runs his mouth while the other WORKING photographers are actually trying to WORK on deadline. but the fact of the matter is I really dismissed most of what you said as nonsense after this sentence-
"I'm sure as hell not gonna shoot the event from in the pool (and all that entails) for 125.00".
$125? really? I hate to tell you this but that's just the kind of thing that has killed the business. Oh, I know, you get to brag to your buddies that you went to X, Y, or Z event and got paid! that I'm afraid is not professionalism...it's "fanboyism" (new word I just made up). seriously, I'm not trying to be a ass here but could you explain to me (and our other members) how one makes a living charging $125 to cover an event? I must be missing something....my math skills aren't that great but it just doesn't add up.....unless your shooting five or six events a DAY. please enlighten us.
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Michael Chang, Photographer
Robertsdale | AL | USA | Posted: 10:25 AM on 05.15.12
->> Out of curiosity, what difference is USPW than say, AP or any other wire? Better day rate? Last I've read is that AP pays $250. Not justifying anything, just wondering how the other wires compare.
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Robert Longhitano, Photographer, Photo Editor
Philadelphia | PA | USA | Posted: 10:26 AM on 05.15.12
->> Speaking purely as a customer of USA Today, yes I actually go to the store and buy a copy EVERY DAY. I'm pissed off that they won't have their photo staff in London. I'll feel ripped off not having images from Bert, Jack Gruber, Eileen Blass, Robert Deutsch and the rest of that fine staff cover the event.

It's total Bull S**t
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Michael Proebsting, Photographer
Barrington | IL | USA | Posted: 10:43 AM on 05.15.12
->> "Thomas...do you really think uspw photogs are gonna travel to another country to shoot and lose money?"

Yes, I for one do.

Actually this could be a great Visa commercial:

Two weeks in London: $5,000
Canon rebel with a 28-135 4.5-5.6: $700
Flying with Fish 24 hour photo boot camp: $775

Telling your buddies you "covered" the Olympics for Presswire...............Priceless.
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Chuck Liddy, Photographer, Photo Editor
PLANET | EARTH | | Posted: 10:45 AM on 05.15.12
->> Brad, your just killed yourself with your own argument. The reason is NO reason for spec shooters to be at an event. period. everything we shoot at our paper goes to getty, AP and mct....which has an agreement with zuma. and getty/ap are usually at the games too. so you have three, four sometimes six shooters, ho do this day in and day out for a living shooting the game. how does a spec shooter expect to make any money? oh yeah, their photos are sold for dollar store prices......hence killing the marketplace for those actually trying to MAKE a living.
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Brad Barr, Photographer
Port St. Lucie | FL | USA | Posted: 10:56 AM on 05.15.12
->> Chuck....the difference in AP's day rate and USPW is what all this is about right? At what point is enough, enough? NO USPW shooters work on spec as you know....every assignment has an assignment fee...so in reality its the amt of the day rate price that is up for debate here as to what is a "real rate".

Michael thats as stupid a comment as I've seen. By your reasoning then...every olympic shooter should be paid 20k or they are an idiot then??? Chime in here please if you are getting that much to go. Time to get off that pedestal you put yourself on before that big head makes you lose your balance....oop too late.
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Butch Miller, Photographer
Lock Haven | PA | USA | Posted: 11:08 AM on 05.15.12
->> A couple of points ...

I'm sure there are some very fine and capable USPW shooters ... but ... when comparing Gannett staff shooters and USPW shooters ... how many of those folks were working in Beijing in 2008, Athens in 2004 or in Sydney in 2000? ... the Olympics, may not be the best opportunity for so many to be participating in on the job training ... the Olympics brings it own set of issues, trials and tribulations usually not experienced elsewhere ...

Secondly ... which is more desirable? ... Covering the Olympics because your employer considers that you are the best in your field for the event in question ... or you get the credential because you are low bid because the client can't afford their traditional staff?
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Michael Proebsting, Photographer
Barrington | IL | USA | Posted: 11:16 AM on 05.15.12
->> "Michael thats as stupid a comment as I've seen. By your reasoning then...every olympic shooter should be paid 20k or they are an idiot then???"

Brad, Where did I say you should be paid 20K or "they are an idiot then."

I talk to enough current and former Presswire shooters to know that any "residual" $$$ after the whopping day rate is peanuts, and you know that as well. If you want to promote the "business model" for Gannett and Presswire that is your choice but to say some of the things here you have said like:

Your two statements below trump my take on this.

"Thomas...do you really think uspw photogs are gonna travel to another country to shoot and lose money?"

"I can tell you...every USPW photog I know and have shot with has been the equal to any of the AP/GETTY/Reuters/Staff photogs there period".
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Garrett Hubbard, Photographer
Washington | D.C. | USA | Posted: 11:34 AM on 05.15.12
->> In a few years corporations of all flavors are going to look back at this recession and see the long-term impact of cutting their way to profitability and to meet their guided top and bottom line numbers for shareholders.

It is difficult for me to put into words what it has felt like to witness what has happened at USA TODAY. If I had more than five years of perspective I'd probably have even stronger feelings. The past six years has been brutal for all newsrooms. I think the "bad news" fatigue has set in and every bit of marginal to bad news will cause knee-jerk reactions among the newsroom staff.
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Mark Kauzlarich, Photo Editor, Student/Intern
Madison | WI | | Posted: 11:38 AM on 05.15.12
->> Yes. Yes I do think that USPW photogs would travel to shoot the Olympics too shoot even if they're loosing money. Or at least the ones I've met.
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Chuck Liddy, Photographer, Photo Editor
PLANET | EARTH | | Posted: 12:13 PM on 05.15.12
->> I totally love these threads where the people arguing against them destroy their own arguments. Butch made a great point....the Olympic games are not for the faint of heart. When I covered the games in Sydney it was without a doubt the hardest I've ever worked in my life. Three straight weeks of 15-18 hour days (yes you can work that many hours in a day and survive). I had one day off. Was it worth it? Yes. Did I feel I was out of my element at times ? Oh hell yeah. Do I think some of these USPW people are being thrown into the deep end of the pool so Gannett can save money? No doubt about it. It will be very interesting to see what the terms USPW have made with their shooters, that is if anyone has the intestinal fortitude to actually come clean and correct us for our "wrong thinking".
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Brad Barr, Photographer
Port St. Lucie | FL | USA | Posted: 12:16 PM on 05.15.12
->> Why dont you go first Chuck...how much did you get for your olympic visit..or your visit to Haiti? Show us your intestinal fortitude wont you?
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Chuck Liddy, Photographer, Photo Editor
PLANET | EARTH | | Posted: 12:25 PM on 05.15.12
->> Brad, sure. I'm a paid full time staffer. I have a 401k, paid health benefits, a company credit card for expenses. I'm provided with several professional grade (not prosumer) cameras, every lens needed to cover rhe various assignments I do. an array of lighting equipment, sound, and video gear. I get reimbursed for all travel. I get comp/ot when earned. Four weeks of vacation a year and six paid holidays. I Do Not pick up my cameras to work for someone for $125. Any other questions? Feel free to ask
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David A. Cantor, Photographer, Photo Editor
Toledo | OH | USA | Posted: 12:25 PM on 05.15.12
->> "Why dont you go first Chuck...how much did you get for your olympic visit..or your visit to Haiti? Show us your intestinal fortitude wont you?"

Brad,
This question makes absolutely no sense...none.
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Greg Kendall-Ball, Photographer, Assistant
Abilene | TX | USA | Posted: 12:26 PM on 05.15.12
->> http://i.imgur.com/tHw0b.gif

Sorry- I'm on a gif kick lately...
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Brad Barr, Photographer
Port St. Lucie | FL | USA | Posted: 12:40 PM on 05.15.12
->> still didnt answer the question Chuck. How much? What is your salary then if you didnt get anything extra to go. This all seems to be about money. So how much is enough? How much till USPW shooters are on the same level in your tiny little mind. Lets say USPW all of a sudden upped their daily shoot fee to 250.00 to match AP. Then what will you bitch about? At what point is it enough and at what point is it not? Who are you to be the judge of that anyway?

How much of your shooting is sports? Hmmm, a great deal of my shooting isnt sports either, so should we compare W-2's or K-1's to see who wins? Are you that proud of your W-2 figure? Should we all hope to one day make that grand figure of a Chuck Liddy staffer salary?? Oh wait...some of us USPW shooters already do that. Sure not just from sports...but neither is yours. I dont get a salary, but I also dont answer to anyone else. I dont have a 401k, but I also dont worry that I walk in tomorrow and some dept head says youre fired. If I choose not to cover some event cause I think its lame, or any other reason, I can just say no. You cant. You have a boss to answer to. I just have to answer to wifey......(although maybe thats worse ;-) )hahah anyway, time to pull that big head out of the clouds and realize we really are all doing the same job. Same end goal...create the best images possible. Images that tell the story, are compelling and emotional, just like you glorious staffers so eagerly purport to do. Its no different.

David it makes sense if you can read...he challenged USPW folks to disclose how much they were gonna get for the olympics....thus my turnabout question is perfectly logical.
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Matt Strasen, Photographer, Photo Editor
Dallas | TX | USA | Posted: 12:51 PM on 05.15.12
->> No Brad, it's not perfectly logical. Huge difference between being a staff photographer and being a stringer for a spec agency. I know that USPW pays an assignment rate, but if you think $125 is a fair amount to cover a pro event/NASCAR/golf tournament, I'm sorry. You are selling yourself WAY too short.
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Michael Granse, Photographer
Urbana | IL | USA | Posted: 12:55 PM on 05.15.12
->> It is incredibly unfortunate that people with known ability and a track record for producing quality images in less than favorable working conditions are being replaced in an effort to save money, but is anyone really surprised by a company shifting production to a lower cost workforce?

Good enough, as is often lamented here, really is good enough when the intended viewer of the photograph is not horrified by the many manners in which we would find the image lacking.

The standard of image quality to which we hold ourselves is simply not the way most of the rest of the world views a photograph, though I certainly wish that this were not the case.
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Matt Strasen, Photographer, Photo Editor
Dallas | TX | USA | Posted: 12:57 PM on 05.15.12
->> It's also not just salary Brad, it's gear, health insurance and other benefits.

Does USPW provide you with all your gear? The insurance for your gear? Health insurance?
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David A. Cantor, Photographer, Photo Editor
Toledo | OH | USA | Posted: 12:58 PM on 05.15.12
->> Brad,
In the 21st century not all photographers are doing the same job for the same remuneration, exacerbated by bottom line focused clients counting on low end earners to help drive down costs, which is the point of the original post.
I'll make some further points after I catch up on today's reading lesson...
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Brad Barr, Photographer
Port St. Lucie | FL | USA | Posted: 12:59 PM on 05.15.12
->> Matt, if you are asking do I want to make more...absolutely. But when will that figure be enough for you guys to lay off? I dont see folks hating on AP shooters doing it for 250.00. So is that the "happy price?

Its not worth doing for 125....forever....Clearly.
Is it worth doing at that price for a while as a stepping stone? To gain the experience and credibility to later command a higher dollar figure?? How many staffers interned for far less than an actual staffer?
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Darren Carroll, Photographer
Cedar Creek (Austin) | TX | USA | Posted: 1:06 PM on 05.15.12
->> I, for one, I am very happy to see Mr. Barr come here and provide his insights into the thought process, attitude, career experience and professionalism of the average USPW photographer.

I'm glad that USPW has such a voice in this thread, especially since there's (hopefully) a much wider audience of editors and industry professionals viewing this thread now that it's made it to Romanesko. The more Brad can illuminate them as to the type of photographer US Presswire seems to be interested in hiring, the better.
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