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George Olivar, Photographer

New Brunswick | NJ | USA | Posted: 11:48 PM on 09.13.03

->> I was curious as to why so many of them are named Sun or Star. Are they part of the same company, or...?

Just got back from a week in Toronto visiting family. Not much shooting, other than a baptism, so I guess the highlights were hitting up some batting cages in Pickering and actually being able to catch a screening at the otherwise sold-out Toronto Int'l Film Festival - Lou Ye's "Purple Butterfly" - not bad.

--George

Dave Chidley, Photographer

	London \| Ontario \| Canada \| Posted: 11:52 PM on 09.13.03
	->> We Canadians are spaced out?

Jan Langsner, Photographer

Lloyd | AB | Canada | Posted: 12:02 AM on 09.14.03

->> The Tabloid style Sun Papers are all part of the same chain. It all started in Toronto somewhere around 20 years ago, and has now spread most of the way across the country.

The Toronto Sun used to be known as the little paper that grew.

There is a Vancouver Sun which is a broad sheet that I believe has nothing to do with those Suns with the great sports sections. I also believe the Vancouver Sun is owned by the same company that owns the Toronto Star which is in direct competition with the Toronto Sun.

Are you more confused now?

Robert Dall, Photographer

	Portage la Prairie \| MB \| Canada \| Posted: 6:53 PM on 09.14.03
	->> Jan, Vancouver Sun is owned by Pacific Press a division of Southam which is a division of Canwest Global. Are you even more confused now? And newspapers all named the same thing, I guess we put all our creativity into producing really good comedian's. . . .

Jan Langsner, Photographer

	Lloyd \| AB \| Canada \| Posted: 8:07 PM on 09.14.03
	->> So the Vancouver Sun is owned by Southam. I thought so. Southam also own the Hamilton Spectator and the Toronto Star among others. So I was right that the owners of the Vancouver Sun also own the Toronto Star, which is in direct competition with the Toronto Sun. And they’re coming to take us away ha-ha, he-he, ho-ho. Oh and Robert, don't forget, Canada also produced Shania Twain.

David Rossiter, Photographer

Lethbridge | AB | Canada | Posted: 8:32 PM on 09.14.03

->> Canwest Global owns the National Post (Edmonton Journal/Calgary Herald/etc) not the Toronto Star that is owned by Tor/Star. Where the SUN chain thing got complicated was when it expanded but on the west coast -- the Vancouver Sun had the name so they really couldn't go there. For US readers the Vancouver Province (tab) and the Vancouver Sun have their own staffs but work out of the same building and are owned by Pacific Press. Another smaller player is Horizon Press that owns the Lethbridge Herald, Thunder Bay Daily Chronicle, Kelowna Courier and Medicine Hat News. These papers were once owned by Thompson Corp. but they got out of the newspaper business except for the Globe and Mail (published in Toronto). Thomson is now part owner of Bell-Globe Media (not to be confused with Canwest Global) and owns amoung other things the CTV network.
I think I have got some of this straight but correct me if I'm wrong .....

Tom Braid, Photographer, Photo Editor

Edmonton | AB | Canada | Posted: 10:55 PM on 09.14.03

George Olivar, Photographer

	New Brunswick \| NJ \| USA \| Posted: 11:12 PM on 09.14.03
	->> Holy cow, thanks for the info, Tom. The Flin Flon Reminder gets my vote for the best name. ;)

Jan Langsner, Photographer

Lloyd | AB | Canada | Posted: 12:25 AM on 09.15.03

->> Wow Tom!

Thanks for setting me straight, guess I shoulda stayed with the "I Belive" statement in my first post.

But I do know for a fact that the Hamilton Spectator used to be owned by Southam (Canwest)I didn't know they changed ownership (it's been 10 years since I lived there) but I was aware they they are owned by the same company that owns the Toronto Star. You can see where my confusion set in, can't you?

Sorry if I steered anyone in the wrong direction, no harm intended.

Tom Braid, Photographer, Photo Editor

Edmonton | AB | Canada | Posted: 12:45 AM on 09.15.03

->> No harm happened I would say!!! In fact I had not checked the post for a bit and some of the dailies and links have moved around so I found some bad info and bad links on my thread!!

I spent enough time collecting the info for that list it is just great when I can go to it and do some copying and pasting to help others out!!

Just to make things even more confusing, Sun Media actually owned the Hamilton Spectator and some other Toronto area papers for a couple of years, we got them from Southam at the time. But we sold those papers to Torstar a couple of years ago. Follow the bouncing ball.... :-)

That new Vancouver daily is a real good talker...... and with the winter Olympics coming to Vancouver it is good timing. three dailies and 2 national papers that town will get very interesting on the paper wars side of things.

Ron Scheffler, Photographer

Hamilton (Toronto area) | Ontario | Canada | Posted: 1:00 AM on 09.15.03

->> OK, I should know this considering I work at the Spectator... but "I believe" the Hamilton Spectator was the - or one of the first Southam papers. Also, when Southam sold the Spectator, they sold it to Sun Media. There was a lot of moaning and groaning at the Spec when that happened since few there liked to be thought of as a "Sun" paper. Kind of out of the blue Sun Media swapped the Spec to Torstar after only a few months - much to the relief of the Spectator editorial staff. Since then, the Spec has been under the Torstar umbrella.

If I remember correctly, this all seemed to happen right around the time the National Post was launched...

As for the Canadian naming scheme... it's not unique to newspapers. As most are certainly aware, the CFL - a football league of only 7 or 8 teams (depending on what year you refer back to) had two teams called the Rough Riders! At least now one of them has a new name in its current reincarnation.

Ingelbert Lievaart II, Photographer

	London \| ON \| Canada \| Posted: 1:37 AM on 09.15.03
	->> Hey Ron, what happened to the Burlington Spectator? They used to buy some of my stuff when I covered that area.

Jan Langsner, Photographer

Lloyd | AB | Canada | Posted: 11:06 AM on 09.15.03

->> Actually Ron, It was and still is the Saskatchewan Roughriders and it was the Ottawa Rough Riders. Subtle difference, but a difference. That is in print only.

The CFL is a league of nine teams, and I don't believe it has been less that 8 teams since I have been breathing on my own. There was the time (very recently) when Ottawa didn't have a team for a number of years, then there was the time that Montreal didn't have a team for a while. And poor Winnipeg. They never know which division they will be in. Are they in the East, are they in the West? Every time a team in the East goes bust the Bombers are the sacrafial lamb.

Colin Corneau, Photographer

	Brandon \| MB \| Canada \| Posted: 11:37 AM on 09.15.03
	->> Tom, reading that list you'd almost get the impression there is actual competition in the Canuck market. >;^)

Neate Sager, Photographer

	Portage la Prairie \| MB \| CANADA \| Posted: 3:53 PM on 09.16.03
	->> It was never 7 teams, but who knows what next year might bring with Toronto and Hamilton's respective situations? Move one team to a new 25,000-seat stadium in the GTA, move the other to Halifax!

Neate Sager, Photographer

	Portage la Prairie \| MB \| CANADA \| Posted: 3:58 PM on 09.16.03
	->> By the way, Double C, with that picture, someone should make a movie called "Colin Couneau's Bad Assssssss Song."

Neate Sager, Photographer

	Portage la Prairie \| MB \| CANADA \| Posted: 3:59 PM on 09.16.03
	->> By the way, Double C, with that picture, someone should make a movie called "Colin Corneau's Bad Assssssss Song."

Ron Scheffler, Photographer

Hamilton (Toronto area) | Ontario | Canada | Posted: 12:21 AM on 09.17.03

->> Ingelbert: The Burlington Spectator office was closed a few years ago and the staff moved back to the Hamilton office. There is still a three times per week Burlington Spectator insert added to the Hamilton Spectator editions sold/delivered in Burlington. As far as I know, all of the content comes from Hamilton Spectator staff or freelancers. Photo content is now the domain of the chief photo editor (at least in terms of assigning jobs).

As for the Riders: sounds the same to me... (OK, spelling is different)

Robert Dall, Photographer

	Portage la Prairie \| MB \| Canada \| Posted: 7:34 PM on 09.17.03
	->> Did you here Colleen Kidd from the Calgary Herald just joined Sportsshooter. http://www.sportsshooter.com/ckidd Welcome!!!!!

Colleen Kidd, Photographer

	Calgary \| AB \| Canada \| Posted: 10:44 PM on 09.17.03
	->> Thanks Robert. I thought it was time to get another Herald person on Sports Shooter. Wow Tom, that is some list you have above. I agree that it make is look like there is competition in Canada. BTW - I find it interesting the talk about the TorStar expanding to the west coast. According to some of their staff, they know nothing about it...at least from what I hear

Jan Langsner, Photographer

Lloyd | AB | Canada | Posted: 11:12 PM on 09.17.03

->> Ron the difference is one word for Sask. and two words for the former Ottawa team.

By the way, since you work at the Spec, say hi to Wade H. in the sports dept for me. Went to high school together way back in the 80's. I used to love reading his stuff on the net until the Spec started charging for it. Hell I can read the New York Times or the USA Today or the Toronto Sun all for free on the internet. But can I read the only daily from the city I grew up in? Not unless I was to pay so I can read the occasional story about the Ti-Cats.

Ron Scheffler, Photographer

Hamilton (Toronto area) | Ontario | Canada | Posted: 11:30 PM on 09.17.03

->> Sure thing Jan.

Though the stories about the Ticats currently aren't all that occasional - they're all the time.
However, Mac FB is getting a lot of space now too. They're doing so well now.... and the Cats are so lousy.. it's all a football fan in Hamilton has left. And to think - five or so years ago, hardly anyone cared about Mac FB.. I had a hard time back then selling the photo editor on the idea of running a photo from a Mac game..

As for the Spec online: welcome to the future. Management is well aware that there are many who liked the free service... it's not that they want to make the online paper anything close to profitable, rather they want to ensure value for those who subscribe to the paper edition (and ensure that they continue to subscribe). Besides, from a business POV, what's the point of people buying subscriptions when they could get if free online? And that doesn't even touch on the advertising issues at play.

But I do understand your view. Free is nice, especially for the occasional read.

Tom Braid, Photographer, Photo Editor

Edmonton | AB | Canada | Posted: 1:03 AM on 09.18.03

->> Welcome aboard Colleen, you have some fantastic work there!!! To everyone out there we are on the WCNPA board together and I can tell you that Colleen has been working her butt off making incredible motivational conferences for the WCNPA and it's members.

If she ever asked you to come down (okay up past the 49th parallel)and talk to some really hard working and cool Western Canadian shooters please at least consider it.

And if you have any question as to what we are all about just ask Robert, Bert or even The Big Kahuna because all three-in-one came and had a great time with us. Okay he barley made his plane because of a record snowfall spring storm.......but that is a different story!! After all this is the Great White North. :-)

Pablo Galvez, Photographer

Calgary | AB | CANADA | Posted: 7:43 AM on 09.18.03

->> Actually... I own all the Canadian news papers!

Just kidding of course. I think it's almost time for a http://www.sportsshooter.ca or http://www.sportsshooter.eh?

Welcome Colleen - I am inspired daily by the great work that you and the other Calgary Herald photographers produce. I met Ted Jacobs a few times at some events I was shooting. I think it's important for photographers to actually say hi to one another at events. It seems like someone always comes in with longer glass than me, stands 5 feet away and doesn't say anything! Maybe this should be in another thread... anyone else feel this happens? If I show up with a 400mm IS will someone talk to me? I hope I'm not generalizing as there are some very nice photographers out there - I would like to meet them, that's all!

My 2-bits.

-Pablo

Tom Braid, Photographer, Photo Editor

Edmonton | AB | Canada | Posted: 11:47 AM on 09.18.03

->> http://www.sportsshooter.ca?????? Naaaaaaaa!!! It would really water down the content.

It is much better for us as shooters to keep building and working towards making the http://www.WCNPA.ca and the http://www.ECNPA.com (the two Photojournalist associations in Canada) stronger.

And of course having strong ties and the ability for all the Canadian shooters to take part in what this collective group is all about...... which of course is what we have right now.

We get the best of both worlds that way. My 3 cents........ That is 2 cents U.S. :-)

Ron Scheffler, Photographer

	Hamilton (Toronto area) \| Ontario \| Canada \| Posted: 12:36 PM on 09.18.03
	->> Hey Pablo, I have a 400 and it's still the same thing. Working as a freelancer, I'm often the 'outsider' when it comes to media events, in that I don't know a lot of the Toronto shooters for example. I think it's up to us to introduce ourselves and break the ice, which might be difficult to do depending on your personality type.

Colleen Kidd, Photographer

	Calgary \| AB \| Canada \| Posted: 9:02 PM on 09.18.03
	->> Hey Pablo, thanks for the welcome and the words of inspiration. Next time you see me at a game, just say hi. I look forward to meeting you in person.... Cheers Colleen

Colleen Kidd, Photographer

	Calgary \| AB \| Canada \| Posted: 9:03 PM on 09.18.03
	->> Hey Pablo (and Tom), thanks for the welcome and the words of inspiration. Next time you see me at a game, just say hi. I look forward to meeting you in person.... Cheers Colleen

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