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The future of photography!
Richard Hurtado, Photographer
Temecula | CA | USA | Posted: 3:34 AM on 04.23.12
->> Wondered if anyone else saw this "Credentialed photographer" at LBGP? This was taken on Sunday during the race. All I could do is laugh!!!!!!

http://www.backdraftphoto.com/images/LBGP_2012-8785.jpg
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Rafael Agustin Delgado, Photographer, Assistant
Pasadena | Ca | USA | Posted: 5:08 AM on 04.23.12
->> on spec I assume
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Louis Lopez, Photographer
Southern California | CA | USA | Posted: 5:40 AM on 04.23.12
->> A professional Spec outfit wouldn't have one like that, it's about capturing images and making sales, not sending out douche bags just for the sake of sending out bodies.
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Scott Miller, Photographer
Sorrento | FL | | Posted: 7:54 AM on 04.23.12
->> Not trying to take this person's side in any way, but here's a thought..

I have covered several events and seen the same thing... usually it's a blogger or a team pr person who is doing nothing more than either tweeting a video or a photo using an iPad.
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Nick Turchiaro, Photographer
Brampton | Ontario | Canada | Posted: 8:15 AM on 04.23.12
->> ...and some times it's the event organizers who get some "unpaid interns" to takes photos for them so they don't have to pay a professional photographer...I see it all the time!
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Brian Blanco, Photographer
Tampa / Sarasota | FL | USA | Posted: 8:52 AM on 04.23.12
->> Yeah, I have to admit, I don't see anything inherently evil going on in this photo. I'd rather see a paid person with an iPad shooting from that space than someone shooting for free with a D4 and a 400mm...
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Jamey Price, Photographer, Assistant
Charlotte | NC | USA | Posted: 8:53 AM on 04.23.12
->> Some fellow SS members and myself had some fun at Baltimore GP last year shooting with similar equipment....

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10150315902182164&set=a.10150197704...
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Eric Canha, Photographer
Brockton | MA | United States | Posted: 11:04 AM on 04.23.12
->> Saw the same thing being done with an iPhone on a tripod shooting B-roll interviews for local TV, it was also used in-house on the the jumbotron during network timeouts. It's time to get past the gear that people are holding, was this person acting in an unprofessional manner?
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Debra L Rothenberg, Photographer
New York | NY | USA | Posted: 11:22 AM on 04.23.12
->> I agree with Eric. If the person isn't acting unprofessional, isn't in your way, why are you wasting energy worrying about what they're shooting with or who they are shooting for. I'd much rather have a person like this who isn't in my way than the "pro with all the expensive equipment" acting like a moron and getting in the way of everyone.
Worry about getting your best photo possible.
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Doug Strickland, Photographer
Chattanooga | TN | USA | Posted: 11:43 AM on 04.23.12
->> Scott is probably pretty close to the money here. Live blogging events is becoming increasingly common, and iPads seem to be the equipment of choice for doing it.

Just because they aren't fulfilling the same role as the people with the D4 and 400 lens on a tripod doesn't make what they're doing any less worthy of a credential.
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Baron Sekiya, Photographer, Photo Editor
Hilo | HI | USA | Posted: 4:45 AM on 04.24.12
->> Need to sell her a Hoodman for that thing. I know my iPhone screen is like a mirror in the Hawaiian sun when trying to take photos.
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Tony Leon, Photographer
Whittier | CA | United States | Posted: 8:41 AM on 04.24.12
->> Having covered the Long Beach Grand Prix, I can tell you one thing.

The Vest she is wearing, is one given to the team of "Official Photographer" The white patch with red letters on the back of the horriblly uncomfortable vest gives it away.

I didn't see this particular girl, but there were lots of "Official Race Vests" walking around. Some with iPads, assuming they were either interns, assistants, or some type of B-roll footage.
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Michael Myers, Photographer
Miami | Florida | USA | Posted: 7:20 PM on 04.24.12
->> To the original post - not sure what there is to laugh about. If she's getting what she wants, who are the rest of us to complain? In a few years, there may be a flood of tablets and phones being used to capture photos and videos, then instantly send them electronically to wherever they're going, most likely more quickly than the images being captured on more conventional cameras.
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Jesse Beals, Photographer
Tracyton | WA | USA | Posted: 1:02 AM on 04.25.12
->> See this every weekend from the stands at events I cover.
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David Hungate, Photographer
Roanoke | VA | United States | Posted: 11:23 AM on 04.25.12
->> I started my career in television... working in the studio of a local station. I ran a studio camera with a headset where the directer told me to tighten up my shot, pan left, tilt up.

One day, there was talk of using robotic cameras. One person in the control room would make everything happen. I was outraged by this as not only was my job in jeopardy, but... well, my job was in jeopardy. That was about the only reason.

I bitched my concerns to the chief engineer. He listened and then informed me to either learn another aspect of the business (which I did), or learn to be the guy in the booth running ALL the cameras.

My point is this; this is the future. The technology doesn't matter. Learn it, embrace it, accept it and master it. With that, your talent will surpass snapshots taken by the less skilled. (Remember how some shooters said they would never shoot digital?)

Don't accept it at your own professional peril.
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Shelly Castellano, Photographer, Photo Editor
Huntington Beach | CA | USA | Posted: 2:31 PM on 04.25.12
->> Thanks for the link my SS friend, but it wasn't me... I am still recovering from knee surgery! LOL
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Jeff Lewis, Photographer
Los Angeles | CA | USA | Posted: 2:41 PM on 04.25.12
->> The GPLB Association has a social media person and this could be her. She updates the website, Twitter, and Facebook every several minutes, especially during the race weekend, and, even though I don't see this females face, it could be her. She is hard working and does a good job.

If that was my job, I'd pull out the iPad as well. If fact, I have at times, pulled out the iPhone at several sporting events to Tweet or Facebook information to followers.

Jeff
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Michael Pina, Photographer
SF Bay Area | ca | usa | Posted: 1:04 AM on 04.26.12
->> I was there and saw this gal and others a like. It was brought up in the photo meeting on race day. No issues with what they are using to capture content, but on another note, Safety was a hugh concern. Most photogs is motor sports have the experience when shooting in photo holes and know when to duck and cover in the case of car out of control. These media grabbers are to fresh to understand that a race car coming at you in excessive speeds can move a k rail several inches if not yards. Sorry to jump on this, but after seeing it in person it just sparked to many red flags. All it is going to take is one individual to get injured to put a stop to all of this. I am not against the technology that is used, just use your head and remember Safety First!
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Brian Blanco, Photographer
Tampa / Sarasota | FL | USA | Posted: 11:21 AM on 04.26.12
->> Michael,

Just curious, was she doing something specific that made you or others believe that she was somehow less safe than everyone else?

Also, what's a "media grabber"? Again, just curious... I've just never heard the term before... but I'm guessing we ALL fit into it.

And finally, thanks for your post... I don't shoot a lot of motorsports (just the Daytona 500 once a year) and I never realized those k rails could move that far.
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Jeff Lewis, Photographer
Los Angeles | CA | USA | Posted: 11:27 AM on 04.26.12
->> I've seen much worst at Long Beach and other tracks. From people actually being on the track with cell phone cameras to people resting their gear on the rails which is a huge no-no. I have a picture somewhere that I posted several years ago with a guy on the track photographing the drifting.

This is ok. Her elbows are off the rails and we can't see in the pic if she is leaning on it.

In todays social media age, I don't think it matters how she captures her images, just as long as she gets in out within seconds or minutes of it happening. The other photographers who are working for the Gran Prix Association can't possibly get her a pic as fast as that iPad can get it to the internet so whats the problem here?

Jeff
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Bill Reilly, Photographer
Encinitas | CA | USA | Posted: 4:20 PM on 04.26.12
->> I did run in to this young lady during the LBGP in one of the photo holes. She would take a few pics with her iPad and immediately move to accommodate other shooters. In my opinion, as long as she (or any other "credentialed photographer") is safe and courteous it's not a big deal. I think we would be better served as professionals to focus on the things we have control over, such as producing images of the highest quality for the client and not worry about stuff like this...
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Francis Specker, Photographer
Riverside | CA | USA | Posted: 4:38 PM on 04.26.12
->> The future? This is the present! The photographer with the iPad will probably get more exposure of her photos than the guys with the expensive glass and cameras. I remember when the film guys scoffed at the digital cameras. I even remember the manual focus guys sneering at the auto-focus ones. Don't be a dinosaur.
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Mark Sutton, Photographer
Herndon | VA | USA | Posted: 5:50 PM on 04.26.12
->> I once read a book called, "Who Moved My Cheese."
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Bill Reilly, Photographer
Encinitas | CA | USA | Posted: 6:47 PM on 04.26.12
->> That's a great book Mark...here is a link to the wikipedia page that provides a detailed summary for those of you that are interested...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Who_Moved_My_Cheese
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Michael Pina, Photographer
SF Bay Area | ca | usa | Posted: 11:12 AM on 04.27.12
->> @ Brian, What we saw were a few of the individuals leaning out the photo holes exposing themselves to the elements on the track. A few times we were even amazed that they looked like they knew what they were doing. The K rails can move a lot and i myself know first hand that it does not take much for a race care on impact to scare the crap out of ya. That weekend @ LBGP with T. Sato on the wet track, he was one of the cars that smacked the rail right outside of turn 9. The corner workers spent a couple of minutes moving it back into place. As for the term used, Media Grabber, just something we heard at the track. We all do it, but these days with all the social media outlets active, it just fits when someone jumps into the hole grabs what they want and then it's onto cyberspace.
Daytona 500 looks like a lot of fun. Maybe someday.
Cheers
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