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This is what happens ...
Chad Ryan, Photographer
Fort Wayne | IN | USA | Posted: 4:01 PM on 02.19.12
->> ... when you use FWC's to do the job of pro photographers. This story coming out of Rio Grande, TX, tells of a photographer who inserted himself into the action of a minor-league hockey game, and, well, one of the players dealt with him.

http://bit.ly/wyiDRE

I don't know the photographer/team arrangement in this case, but I do know how it works around here. I can only surmise it's the same in Rio Grande. Our local minor-league team, which boasts the second-leading attendance figures in all of minor-league hockey, does not contract with a team photographer. They say they simply have no budget for photography. Instead they use several fans who come in to shoot for free access to the games. It's the same old story.

I know this because they reached out to me to shoot for them when they heard I was leaving my newspaper staff position. Without going into full details about their offer, let's just say, I'm not shooting for them.

Anyway, I understand this problem isn't going away anytime soon. But I contend that if the person in the story had been a professional and not a fan of the home team, it's likely this incident would've never happened. Pro's go to the game to work. Fans go for entertainment. Since no amount of explaining this to team representatives seems to get through, maybe an incident like this will drive home the point a bit. Then again, maybe not. Maybe it will just limit access further for those who actually are working.
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Paul Alesse, Photographer
Coram | NY | USA | Posted: 2:12 PM on 02.21.12
->> I was trying to figure out the anachronism you used of FWC. I thought it was "Father With Camera," but after reading the article, I'm hoping that FWC isn't referring to "Freelancer with Camera." If that's what it means and you are lumping them in with non-professionals, it's the first time I have seen them referred to as non-professionals and if you truly believe this then I take exception to that.

The story is unfortunate, but this isolated case shouldn't condemn all freelancers and lump them together as non-professionals that shouldn't be on the sidelines, courtside, or rinkside.

Chad, with all due respect, please clarify your point and if I missed the line of the photographer being a non-professional "parent" that wasn't credentialed to be there in the first place, please let me know where that is in the article and accept my apologies.
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Nic Coury, Photographer
Monterey | CA | | Posted: 2:17 PM on 02.21.12
->> I think the issue of more of one of professionalism.

Dude doesn't seem to grasp that concept...

"Keith (the photographer) was stationed between the teams’ benches and was exchanging verbal barbs all game "

I guess he has never heard of not interacting with players.
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Louis Lopez, Photographer
Southern California | CA | USA | Posted: 2:38 PM on 02.21.12
->> FWC= fan with camera
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Thomas E. Witte, Photographer, Photo Editor
Cincinnati | OH | USA | Posted: 2:51 PM on 02.21.12
->> [profanity]wit
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Camera
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Chad Ryan, Photographer
Fort Wayne | IN | USA | Posted: 3:04 PM on 02.21.12
->> Paul ... I meant Fan With a Camera. These are the guys who shoot "for the team" wearing the home team jerseys, shooting for a period, cussing out the referees for bad calls and banging on the glass whenever a rival players checks one of his guys into the boards.

I myself am a Freelancer with a camera. Maybe that's bad too. I should've clarified. Sorry about that.
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Eric Canha, Photographer
Brockton | MA | United States | Posted: 4:08 PM on 02.21.12
->> .....but will shoot tonight’s game from the arena’s press box


Someone PLEASE explain to me how he still has a credential or any kind or access that doesn't include buying a ticket and sitting in the stands with the rest of the fans.
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Mike Janes, Photographer
Attica | NY | USA | Posted: 9:36 PM on 02.21.12
->> Very good question Eric, how is this idiot still getting credentials? See these guys all the time that if they were with anyone else they'd be getting banned or at least a good talking to on how to act, but since they shoot free for the team they get away with almost anything. Seen a few get banned, but can name at least half a dozen others who need to be shown the door!
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Jim Colburn, Photographer
Omaha | NE | USA | Posted: 10:03 PM on 02.21.12
->> "This story coming out of Rio Grande, TX"

Wrong.

Try to get your basic facts right.

The Killer Bees play in Hidalgo, Texas. There is a Rio Grande CITY in Starr County, Texas but the Killer Bees don't play there.

"I can only surmise it's the same in Rio Grande"

Surmise all you want but you're still wrong.
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Chad Ryan, Photographer
Fort Wayne | IN | USA | Posted: 10:37 PM on 02.21.12
->> Jim, you're right, and thank you for correcting me. I apologize to everyone for linking a story from The Monitor, which serves the Rio Grand Valley of Texas and mistakenly saying it came from Rio Grande, TX. I should have done more fact checking to see exactly where this incident played out. Clearly, where it happened is at least as important to this particular web community as the fact that it actually did happen.

So, let me restate that the story comes from a publication serving the Rio Grande Valley of Texas.

As far as this quote, "I can only surmise it's the same in Rio Grande," is concerned, I should rephrase that to say "I can only surmise it's the same in the Rio Grande Valley or similar generalized area of Texas mentioned within the linked story."

I hope this clarification satisfies those who may have been confused by my lack of factual reporting.
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Shelly Castellano, Photographer, Photo Editor
Huntington Beach | CA | USA | Posted: 10:43 PM on 02.21.12
->> I have been shooting all levels of hockey for A LONG TIME.. Basic rule of thumb is that you NEVER interact with the players or the game, especially while the clock is running. Do you know how many times, I have be spit on, poked, blocked, harassed, knocked upon the head, glared at, pucks shot at and more over the years? by fans, players, officials or coaches?... too many to count. Most of the time they gave me a pat on the back and we laughed it off later. BUT NEVER during the game have I reacted or retaliated. This guy is a loose cannon and should not have access to the game like that. If teams can only "afford" to have FWC (fans with camera's) snapping photos at the game, then they should at least keep them out of harms way. Kinda like having access to hungry tigers in a cage.....Unless you are trained, STAY OUT. This kind of stuff makes us all look bad! Arughhhhhh
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Chuck Liddy, Photographer, Photo Editor
PLANET | EARTH | | Posted: 12:24 AM on 02.22.12
->> "tempers flare with stuff like that"
wtf? someone should really punch that asshole in the face. IF you're covering an event YOU should NOT be involved IN the GAME. douchebag.
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Michael Fischer, Photographer
Spencer | Ia | USA | Posted: 1:01 AM on 02.22.12
->> I'm friggin speechless...and that takes a lot.

The only behavior worse than his is the managements'. They deserve each other.
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Aleksi Lepisto, Photographer, Student/Intern
Portland | OR | USA | Posted: 1:09 AM on 02.22.12
->> Chuck,

You should tell that to the guy who managed to get into the press row at the Ron Paul rally I shot last week.

I kept wondering which newspaper was responsible for sending a reporter who would scream "Tyranny!" every time Dr. Paul finished a sentence.
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Bob DeChiara, Photographer
Burlington | MA | USA | Posted: 6:41 AM on 02.22.12
->> I don't believe any professional in their right mind would act the way "Keith" did. Sounds obvious he is much more a fan than a photographer.

I agree with Chuck that someone should punch that DB in the face.

And Eric you are right, how the hell is this DB getting access the next night?
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Matthew Santos, Photographer
Chino Valley | AZ | USA | Posted: 3:52 PM on 02.22.12
->> My little bit of input re: Brahmas vs. Bees game- first off, I'm a staffer with a small paper in AZ and, with my publishers permission, I'm allowed to freelance when the assignments don't conflict with my job as a staffer. One of my freelance jobs is as team photographer for our local CHL franchise the AZ Sundogs.
To my knowledge, the Texas Brahmas do not contract with a shooter, but Mr. Keith provides them with pix in exchange for access, where he displays work on his fan blog (
http://www.texasbrahmasinsider.net/).
In my capacity as team photographer I treat it the same way as if I were covering for a publication- as an observer, not part of the action.
In my opinion- no excuse for Boogaard, but what was Keith doing dialoging with the players to the extent this happened? I feel, if the details are correct in news clippings, his credential should be pulled and the Brahmas should take a hard look at who they give access to.
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Nic Coury, Photographer
Monterey | CA | | Posted: 4:27 PM on 02.22.12
->> "In my capacity as team photographer I treat it the same way as if I were covering for a publication- as an observer, not part of the action."

Well said, Matthew.

Even if you're "in" with the team, act professional.
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Michael Prengler, Photographer
Fairview | TX | USA | Posted: 11:39 AM on 03.26.12
->> I'm happy to report that I covered the Brahmas yesterday and didn't get punched. :) I did meet the guy that was and we briefly discussed it. Nice guy and he insisted on giving me his shooting spot in the bench area for the third period.
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Mike Janes, Photographer
Attica | NY | USA | Posted: 7:53 PM on 03.26.12
->> FWC gives up spot for someone on assignment, well at least there's that - but still don't understand how this guy still gets a credential, seen guys banned for less....nice guy or not.
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Bradly J. Boner, Photographer, Photo Editor
Jackson | WY | USA | Posted: 9:33 PM on 03.26.12
->> "... I contend that if the person in the story had been a professional and not a fan of the home team, it's likely this incident would've never happened."

You can most certainly be a fan of the home team and still be professional.
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Heston Quan, Photographer
Orange County | CA | | Posted: 10:03 PM on 03.26.12
->> Of course, on his blog profile it states his industry as being "Law."
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Andrew Knapik, Photographer, Assistant
Lincoln Park | MI | USA | Posted: 1:49 PM on 03.27.12
->> Here is a story by Yahoo.com's Puck Daddy regarding the incident: http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nhl-puck-daddy/aaron-boogaard-punches-photogr...
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