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MLB issues dress code guidelines for media members
Stanley Leary, Photographer
Roswell | GA | USA | Posted: 10:37 PM on 12.06.11
->> http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/articles/2011/12/06/mlb_issues_dress_.../

About time
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Jeff Gammons, Student/Intern, Photographer
Niceville | Fl | USA | Posted: 11:25 PM on 12.06.11
->> No joke, I'm glad this has come about. I really hope everyone else adopts a similar policy.
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Jack Megaw, Photographer
Philadelphia | PA | USA | Posted: 11:34 PM on 12.06.11
->> About time too. I wonder how many GWCs are going to get an awful shock when they show up for Opening Day this Spring?

-Jack
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Chuck Liddy, Photographer
Durham | NC | USA | Posted: 11:55 PM on 12.06.11
->> If the NCAA adopts a policy like this the sidelines and baselines will be empty of the college yearbook/newspaper staff photographers....
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Mark Loundy, Photo Editor
San Jose | CA | USA | Posted: 12:17 AM on 12.07.11
->> I, for one, am tired of Brad showing up at Giants games in short skirts.

--Mark
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Al Goldis, Photographer
East Lansing | MI | USA | Posted: 12:55 AM on 12.07.11
->> "Banned are ... tank tops, and ... shorts cut more than 3-4 inches above the knee."

Wow, I know this is MLB not the NBA but they just banned NBA uniforms from the 70s. :-)
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Donald Montague, Photographer
Orlando | FL | | Posted: 1:14 PM on 12.07.11
->> " best line in the entire article is "or anything with a team logo"
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Dave Prelosky, Photographer
Lower Burrell | Pa | US | Posted: 1:28 PM on 12.07.11
->> Donald - I'd argue that the logo clause is probably the most logical of the whole situation. Rights holders want to be paid for advertising, and/or if their network doesn't hold the rights to a particular sport/game/team there might be a consequence for them if a logo shows up on camera. Emphasize might be.
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Bob Ford, Photographer
Lehighton | Pa | USA | Posted: 1:32 PM on 12.07.11
->> It's a shame that they even need to have the rule. You would think that common sense would tell you that everything mentioned is not acceptable.
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Butch Miller, Photographer
Lock Haven | PA | USA | Posted: 2:24 PM on 12.07.11
->> You are right Bob, though, if you take a closer look at our current society as a whole, it appears common sense is indeed very uncommon and has left the building a long time ago ... hence the institution of such policy. It's quite unfortunate that it has come to this but there has been a need to establish a written set of rules ... Like others have mentioned, hopefully other leagues, teams and schools will follow through on this as well.
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G.M. Andrews, Photographer
Mobile | AL | USA | Posted: 4:42 PM on 12.07.11
->> NCAA, are you listening?
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Paul Alesse, Photographer
Coram | NY | USA | Posted: 4:52 PM on 12.07.11
->> MLB has been lying in wait for years on this policy patiently waiting for ArPee to retire.
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George Bridges, Photographer, Photo Editor
Washington | DC | USA | Posted: 4:58 PM on 12.07.11
->> Now where is Liddy going to wear his sheer, strapless tops?
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Steven Bisig, Photographer
Seattle | WA | USA | Posted: 5:33 PM on 12.07.11
->> Shooting MLB in flip flops = SCARY!!

This past season, I saw one of the photo well video guys wearing flip flops almost every game that I covered. One time he was constantly picking at them too. Pretty nasty.

Glad they implemented a dress code.
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David Dermer, Photographer
Cortland | Oh | 44410 | Posted: 6:35 PM on 12.07.11
->> They want me to look like im going to work and not a college party?
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G.J. McCarthy, Photographer
Dallas | TX | US | Posted: 8:15 PM on 12.07.11
->> Hmmm ... just bought this for the 2012 season, thinking it would be safer, but now I'm wondering if it'll be too risqué.

http://bit.ly/t2AQs6
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David A. Cantor, Photographer, Photo Editor
Toledo | OH | USA | Posted: 8:26 PM on 12.07.11
->> G.J.
Cowboy Joe West just called...he wants his uni back!
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Michelle Hedstrom, Photographer
Arvada | CO | US | Posted: 10:56 PM on 12.07.11
->> I like the dress code idea. I guess I shouldn't be too surprised it's needed - I'm guessing a lot of the stuff on the banned list has shown up in the stadiums before on media members.

I'm glad you can still wear shorts though. Sitting in the first base well during an afternoon game in Denver, during the summer, when it's over 90 out = HOT.
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Al Diaz, Photographer
Miami | Fl | USA | Posted: 9:59 AM on 12.08.11
->> I've seen local TV photographers wearing shorts and sandals to funerals. I believe one should dress appropriately for the occasion.
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Jonathon Bird, Photographer
Port Clinton | OH | United States | Posted: 10:25 AM on 12.08.11
->> When I shot the fair this past summer I was shocked to see other media people in flip flops (the original thongs). Running through the mud at the pig scramble and also at the rodeo. I can't image what they were thinking when they left their house. We had a hard rain just before the rodeo and it was a mess but they still showed up in their flip flops. We also had a reporter from one of the other papers come to town to help cover a big concert at the fairground and she showed up in high heels. I'm not sure what what could have been thinking either.
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Michael Ip, Photo Editor, Photographer
New York | NY | USA | Posted: 12:39 PM on 12.08.11
->> I enjoy watching old baseball videos when photographers used to wear suits and ties to shoot the games. My how culture has deteriorated.
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Jeff Lewis, Photographer
Los Angeles | CA | USA | Posted: 1:23 PM on 12.08.11
->> The media should dress better, especially us photographers. I've noticed some pretty unprofessional clothing over the years and if we would dress better, we might get a little more respect at stadiums and by team officials.

Jeff
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Eric Francis, Photographer
Omaha | NE | United States | Posted: 1:23 PM on 12.08.11
->> not sure I'd call it deterioration... 2 weeks of College World SEries in a suit and tie is pure idiocy! Can you imagine trudging around a gold course in that get-up with all your gear and your TT belt system?
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Jeff Lewis, Photographer
Los Angeles | CA | USA | Posted: 1:35 PM on 12.08.11
->> You don't have to wear a suit to look professional. Nike and other brands makes some pretty good gear for people on the move with cameras. You can get gear without any teams logo and things that perform well in all conditions, also with muted colors so you don't stand out.

If you are shooting a game in an arena, you should always wear pants. Its inside. I'd even say show up in a sports coat and take it off when you get into the photo room.

The point is that we need to look more professional but nobody would ever shoot a game in a suit.

Jeff
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Ben Krause, Photographer
Plymouth | MN | United States | Posted: 6:12 PM on 12.08.11
->> "MLB's new dress code is really about women":

http://espn.go.com/espnw/commentary/7331276/mlb-new-dress-code-really-women

It seems the policy is directed more at reporters (female as the article suggests) and not photographers so much.
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Louis Lopez, Photographer
Southern California | CA | USA | Posted: 3:16 AM on 12.09.11
->> More than a few photographers could stand a look in a full length mirror before going out to cover an assignment, also flip flops and Mandals should be left for the beach not assignments, some guys have a hard enough time brushing their hair let alone taking care of their feet...
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Thomas Campbell, Photographer
Houston | TX | USA | Posted: 9:08 AM on 12.09.11
->> At least they didn't put any weight restrictions. We'd all be out of a job.
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Rob Dicker, Photographer
Lake Villa | IL | USA | Posted: 9:14 AM on 12.09.11
->> This story took me back to a memo that went out at the paper I work for about 15 years ago (and about 4 HR directors back). In it he stated that no one was allowed to wear a "mussel" shirt (we took that to mean we would be allowed to wear clam, shrimp, lobster or scallop shirts. In the same memo he said that men could not wear open-toed sandals - I was surprised that it didn't say open-toad sandals.
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Butch Miller, Photographer
Lock Haven | PA | USA | Posted: 10:42 AM on 12.09.11
->> ** "I enjoy watching old baseball videos when photographers used to wear suits and ties to shoot the games." **

I remember visiting my uncle in the press box of Shea Stadium as a young lad back in the mid 1960's at a Jets game .... all the reporters had ties, many also had hats ... most of the photographers were also dressed similarly and wearing trench coats for warmth ... though I don't recall seeing a 400 f/2.8 anywhere near the venue ... ;-)

** "2 weeks of College World SEries in a suit and tie is pure idiocy!" **

While it may be undesirable to be wearing a coat and tie in the heat of baseball weather, if it were the accepted norm for the job, while undesirable, I wouldn't consider it any more idiotic than wearing flip flops on the sidelines at an NFL game ...

Keep in mind that in the "Olden Days" when the "media" was required to wear a suit and tie ... it wasn't the leagues, venues or teams that required the dress code ... it was the EMPLOYERS of said media outlets that had a dress code ... with so many freelance spec shooters that are not directly employed by a publication ... it's quite difficult for the employer to enforce acceptable behavior of their staff. Hence, in this case, the MLB has stepped in to fill the void.
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Richard Uhlhorn, Photographer
Chelan Falls | WA | USA | Posted: 1:19 PM on 12.09.11
->> Of course you have to remember... Those old guys were only carrying a Rolli and flash, not huge lenses a bag full of goddies and two to three bodies.
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John J Coleman, Photographer, Photo Editor
Milford | Ct | United States | Posted: 1:20 PM on 12.09.11
->> The media should dress "in an appropriate and professional manner" with clothing proper for a "business casual work environment" when in locker rooms, dugouts, press boxes and on the field, the new MLB rules say.

This is great !
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Bradley Leeb, Photographer
Champaign | IL | USA | Posted: 3:28 PM on 12.09.11
->> "Of course you have to remember... Those old guys were only carrying a Rolli and flash, not huge lenses a bag full of goodies and two to three bodies."

Not to mention, being right on the field just feet from the hitters!

http://images.usatoday.com/sports/photos/joed01.jpg

Ummm, no thanks!
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Butch Miller, Photographer
Lock Haven | PA | USA | Posted: 3:35 PM on 12.09.11
->> Yes, Bradley ... and if you also notice by the equipment they were using, they only had 1 shot to get it right, not 10 fps ... ;-)
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Eric Canha, Photographer
Brockton | MA | United States | Posted: 3:51 PM on 12.09.11
->> -. --- ... - .- .-.. --. .. .- | .. ... | ..-. --- .-. --. . - ..-. ..- .-.. -. . ... ... | -- .. -..- . -.. | .-- .. - .... | .-.. --- -. --. .. -. --. |
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Pat Lovell, Photographer
Bloomington | IN | US | Posted: 4:02 PM on 12.09.11
->> Eric Canha wrote: NOSTALGIA/IS/FORGETFULNESS/MIXED/WITH/LONGING

very true Eric, very true.
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Erik Markov, Photographer
XXXX | IN | | Posted: 4:11 PM on 12.09.11
->> Your method of transmitting images Eric? Doesn't that take forever?
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Eric Canha, Photographer
Brockton | MA | United States | Posted: 4:22 PM on 12.09.11
->> Actually I'm training a pigeon to fly my cards from the Boston Garden back to the paper.

I should have signed the previous post de N1LYP/
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Larry W. Smith, Photographer
Valley Center (Wichita) | KS | USA | Posted: 4:28 PM on 12.09.11
->> These discussions always makes me laugh, for starters you never see any photographer still or video wearing business casual unless it's covering the president on the road and then it is only partly business casual.

So to get this straight we should never wear tennis shoes, shorts, any kind of t-shirt, or jeans. Only khaki pants, loafer shoes, collard shirt preferably button up and has to be solid print and don't forget the sport jacket.

While we are at it lets get serious, no facial hair will be allowed going forward all photographers must be clean shaven at all times and your hair should be above your collar. One more thing and very important no visible tattoo's.

Acting professional, working in a professional manner, and taking this business professional should be priority over business casual dress, and there is more people missing that part of the job but they look professional while they do it.

Anyone that knows me knows I wear shorts a lot of the year while covering games inside and out, as well as a lot of news assignments. Campaign and president I dress the part casual dress not going to the office but for the assignment. Oh yeah I also have facial hair and my hair is past my collar just a little. But I work professionally and take the job professionally. There is a difference between looking like a slob and dressing to be comfortable for your job whatever that job is.

The Dude
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Dave Miller, Photographer
Darlington | PA | | Posted: 4:47 PM on 12.09.11
->> I for one do dress business casual a lot. I do wear shorts in the summer but, I rarely wear jeans and always have a collared shirt. I am a freelancer and represent myself and whoever is paying me that day. I try to take pride that I am a professional and present myself as such. I have been around a while (not as long as Liddy or Butch:) and quite frankly take exception to people showing up looking as if they just rolled out of bed. For god sakes take some pride in your appearence. The fact that MLB had to do this is a little embarressing. BTW, shirt and tie when I covered the president.
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G.J. McCarthy, Photographer
Dallas | TX | US | Posted: 8:43 PM on 12.09.11
->> Larry, you've had a mullet in your lifetime. You may not participate in these kinds of threads.

- gerry -

PS -- I did mark you the stupid SS affirmation and agree with you 100 percent. Now grow out that damn mullet again.
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Chuck Liddy, Photographer, Photo Editor
PLANET | EARTH | | Posted: 9:21 PM on 12.09.11
->> Personally I think if you need to be told how to dress to cover an event you shouldn't be covering it.
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Jeff Gammons, Student/Intern, Photographer
Niceville | Fl | USA | Posted: 11:19 PM on 12.09.11
->> "At least they didn't put any weight restrictions. We'd all be out of a job."


I wish they did... I would finally have an in.

You can't step on the field unless you can fit into large NFL vest.
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Stanley Leary, Photographer
Roswell | GA | USA | Posted: 8:31 AM on 12.10.11
->> Remember when those writers and photographers wore suits. Those writers had to carry their own type writers.
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Louis Lopez, Photographer
Southern California | CA | USA | Posted: 1:11 PM on 12.10.11
->> #1 Christmas gift idea this season a full length mirror...
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