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Douchebag attacks photographers, breaks at least one lens.
Greg Bartram, Photographer
Dublin | OH | | Posted: 9:52 AM on 11.01.11
->> http://www.venuestoday.com/news/detail/venues-today-photographer-allegedly-...

I know the woman, and have shot numerous events with her. She's not one of these shooters who gets in everyone's way, or causes any kind of trouble in the pit.

I told her she absolutely ought to press charges.
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Jeremy Proffitt, Photographer
Marshall | North Carolina | USA | Posted: 10:10 AM on 11.01.11
->> Damn straight she should press charges.
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Anantachai Brown, Photographer
Jacksonville | FL | | Posted: 10:27 AM on 11.01.11
->> Just watched the video....f'ing idiot. I'd sue after whooping his arse in the photo pit.
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Bradly J. Boner, Photographer, Photo Editor
Jackson | WY | USA | Posted: 10:47 AM on 11.01.11
->> On a side note, when it comes to rap music, there's either phenomenal rap or absolutely shitty rap. There's really nothing in between.

These guys are not phenomenal rappers.
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Mike Bradley, Student/Intern
Rochester | NY | USA | Posted: 10:59 AM on 11.01.11
->> Why would she not press charges?
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Luke Johnson, Photographer, Student/Intern
St.Petersburg | FL | USA | Posted: 11:01 AM on 11.01.11
->> I find it comical that all these musicians hate photographers, yet without them they would not be famous or at least not as famous.
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Jason Joseph, Photographer
Dublin | OH | USA | Posted: 11:26 AM on 11.01.11
->> Zero questions. Press charges! There is NO reason for that to happen, especially against someone who isn't causing any sort of obstruction or interference and who is simply doing her job. Ridiculous.
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Mike Huffstatler, Photographer, Assistant
Rancho Cucamonga | Ca | United States | Posted: 11:59 AM on 11.01.11
->> Absolutely, 100% should be pressing charges. I could not agree more, and I sincerely hope they reconsider this stance.

In addition, when I get some time this afternoon I plan to locate contact information for the two other events mentioned in the article and forward the story to them. While I suspect little will be done to cancel their appearance at least the organizers will have an idea of who they are showcasing.

Hate photographers all you want, but don't cross that line of humanity and respect.
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Todd Spoth, Photographer, Student/Intern
Houston | TX | USA | Posted: 12:12 PM on 11.01.11
->> Odd Future is overly hyped right now. I photographed them at SXSW this year and will be photographing them again this weekend at a festival in Austin. Hopefully Ill come back with a good story lol.

Here are my photos from the last time:
http://toddspothblog.com/2011/04/21/sxsw-2011/

Odd Future are always "aggressive" and "riled up". Thats their MO. It just comes with the territory. They are really young and really don't care about much. Getting swung on while you're just doing your job is BS though.
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Luke Johnson, Photographer, Student/Intern
St.Petersburg | FL | USA | Posted: 12:15 PM on 11.01.11
->> They are also probably the most awful "rap" group I have ever heard. I had to turn it off after 10 seconds.
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Warren Wimmer, Photographer
Orland Park | Il | USA | Posted: 12:18 PM on 11.01.11
->> And to top it off, one of them is wearing a green Chicago Blackhawks Cap, what a disgrace to the Indian and the organization.
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Jamey Price, Photographer, Assistant
Charlotte | NC | USA | Posted: 12:21 PM on 11.01.11
->> I would probably consider it the low point of my photography career to be given an assignment to cover their act.
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Garrett Hubbard, Photographer
Washington | D.C. | USA | Posted: 12:35 PM on 11.01.11
->> This type of behavior makes me sick to my stomach. There should be some sort of apology and recourse. I don't know what we could do to rally around Amy and support her but a personal note and encouragement to pursue legal recourse might be a good place to start. http://www.amyharrisphoto.com/contact-me/
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Jeremy Proffitt, Photographer
Marshall | North Carolina | USA | Posted: 12:36 PM on 11.01.11
->> Just watched the video again and I don't understand why you wouldn't press charges.
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Tami Chappell, Photographer, Photo Editor
Atlanta | Ga | USA | Posted: 12:42 PM on 11.01.11
->> I agree with Jamey...low point of your year for certain. On behalf of all future photographers she should press charges. I was assaulted like that at the para-olympics one year by a parent upset his son had been injured during one of the bicycle race crashes. People may have found it unkind of me to press charges because he was upset because of his son's injury (he turned out totally fine), but attacking photographers paid to be at a place where they are allowed is not acceptable.
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Mike Huffstatler, Photographer, Assistant
Rancho Cucamonga | Ca | United States | Posted: 1:07 PM on 11.01.11
->> Wow...I just went a looked at the video again, and have also looked at the link Chris (Greg) provided above my post. I think the singlular comment on the photo chris posted sums it up nicely...

"What an ugly, sad little boy"

I really hope that Amy reconsiders her course of action. The bad part about that however is that they will likely relish in the news about it thinking it somehow helps their image.

And I really wanted to avoid a comment on their "music" (uh...yeah) I just have to add this. I am a music fan of all types. I find the musicality and artistry in one's vision whenever possible. If I agree with what they are saying or not is irrelevant. If I like the music or not is irrelevant. The only talent these bozos display is a penchant to stir up controversy with over the top foul lyrics and statements. Plenty of acts have followed this direction of the years and most have faded to oblivion because there is no substance. This group and their noise will soon enough be gone and forgotten.
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Andrew Nelles, Photographer
Chicago | IL | usa | Posted: 1:14 PM on 11.01.11
->> Press charges for sure! That is unbelievable.
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Mark Peters, Photographer
Highland | IL | USA | Posted: 1:24 PM on 11.01.11
->> While pressing charges is certainly in order, an arrest would likely be viewed as a badge of honor. A civil judgement with lots of zeros would likely have a bigger impact.
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G.J. McCarthy, Photographer
Dallas | TX | US | Posted: 2:11 PM on 11.01.11
->> Actually they should all be arrested for starting off their song by yelling "jump" and then, well, jumping.

Seriously, Mac Daddy and Daddy Mac called -- they want their shitty schtick back.

Also, propers for starting what I believe is the first thread with the word "douchebag" in it. Personally I'd have preferred the "douchebaggery" form of the noun, but I'll take what I can get.
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Richard Uhlhorn, Photographer
Chelan Falls | WA | USA | Posted: 2:22 PM on 11.01.11
->> And we wonder what's wrong with society these days. I'm not against rap, but why would anyone want to listen to foul mouthed young rappers denegrating women and society. I just don't get it.

I hope she sues them and the organizer civily.
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Chuck Liddy, Photographer
Durham | NC | USA | Posted: 3:46 PM on 11.01.11
->> Personally the douchebag should be very careful. He is actually in a VERY tenuous position on the edge of the stage to reach out and slap someone. I'm just saying....a shooter who didn't want to put up with that nonsense could easily grab his arm when he was assaulting them and snatch his skinny punk ass right off the stage into the pit. then the ass stomping would begin, and it would be his ass getting stomped. it would be a case of self defense I would think.
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Eric Canha, Photographer
Brockton | MA | United States | Posted: 4:19 PM on 11.01.11
->> Sorry but I know douchebags... Plenty of them... I've worked with them, played with them (the people kind not the rubber kind).... even have a few on my facebook... This TURD has a LONG way to go before measuring up to the standard of douchebag.

What I really don't understand is why charges aren't pressed and/or why the promoters aren't held liable. There is no way that being assaulted comes under any of the risk waivers that the media have to agree to.
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Al Diaz, Photographer
Miami | Fl | USA | Posted: 4:22 PM on 11.01.11
->> Latest from Miami concert.
http://bit.ly/RapperAttacksPhotographer
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Saquan Stimpson, Photographer, Assistant
Newark | DE | USA | Posted: 5:01 PM on 11.01.11
->> I find it entertaining that Odd Future rapper Left Brain hate photographers, without us they wouldn't have fan's around the world. It's very sad, and yet another hazard we have to worry about.
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Dan Routh, Photographer
Greensboro | NC | USA | Posted: 5:01 PM on 11.01.11
->> My only question is why anyone bothers to cover these folks to begin with. Seems like a waste of time.
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Lane Hickenbottom, Photographer
Omaha | NE | usa | Posted: 5:19 PM on 11.01.11
->> What's possibly worse than the assault? The response by the publicists:

"There simply is no truth to the accusation floating around the internet. Its no secret that Odd Future has a love/hate relationship with photographers at shows simply because sometimes they are given access the group wishes their fans would have instead. After telling the photographers to clear out multiple times (as they've done before) Vyron (Leftbrain) took a swipe at a few cameras, NOT people. To manipulate the situation to insinuate an attack on a woman specifically is careless and manipulative."
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Sandy Huffaker, Photographer
San Diego | CA | USA | Posted: 6:12 PM on 11.01.11
->> How I would love to see them ban photographers from covering their shows. I'd give em 6 months before they come begging for the publicity.
The ego on these d@ckheads.
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Corey Perrine, Photographer
Omaha | NE | USA | Posted: 6:30 PM on 11.01.11
->> Horrible rap?! Impossible.

Look what I get graced with in the midwest...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TjjEMkNomRc
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Bradly J. Boner, Photographer, Photo Editor
Jackson | WY | USA | Posted: 7:04 PM on 11.01.11
->> Corey - The best comment on that video:

"I was going to save my nice silverware for when guests come over, but now I'm going to use it to stab myself in the ears...."
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Luke Johnson, Photographer, Student/Intern
St.Petersburg | FL | USA | Posted: 7:34 PM on 11.01.11
->> Corey... Did I really just see a Jeep with Lambo doors in that video, or was the some sort of visual FX?
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Mike Huffstatler, Photographer, Assistant
Rancho Cucamonga | Ca | United States | Posted: 7:41 PM on 11.01.11
->> Bringing this back on track... :)

I have been in brief contact with Amy. She has decided to seek advise from an attorney. I am glad to see her take a stance on this one, and completely agree with the position. Here is her response and official statement.
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Mike,
Here is my official statement with next steps:

"I was very disheartened to learn yesterday that Odd Future is denying that one of its members, Vyron Turner (“Left Brain”), engaged in the violent conduct that so many people witnessed and even photographed or videotaped. After he so publicly attacked me, I truly believed that an apology would be immediately forthcoming, which is why I declined to press charges at that time. The unexpected turn of events, including an attack by Odd Future on my credibility and motives for discussing the incident, have caused me to re-evaluate my initial decision. I’ve contacted an attorney – Amy Borlund with Doll Amir & Eley in Los Angeles – and am pursuing my options. At a minimum, I am seeking a public apology from Vyron Turner. Ultimately, I want a resolution in which Turner is held accountable for his actions."

Thanks,
Amy Harris
Photographer/Music Journalist
amy@amyharrisphotos.com
www.thefirst3songs.com
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Andrew Nelles, Photographer
Chicago | IL | usa | Posted: 10:12 PM on 11.01.11
->> Very good to hear!
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Michael Fischer, Photographer
Spencer | Ia | USA | Posted: 10:58 PM on 11.01.11
->> Vyron is stupid enough to think that the world gives a SH*T about him and his music. He's about to discover several things:

1) That his 15 minutes of fame is fleeting;
2) That committing assault is stupid, to commit it and have it recorded and witnessed by a large group of people makes him dumber than primordial sludge;
3) He better hope that when he hits county lockup while someone who is paid to give a SH*t tries to arrange bail that Bubba doesn't beat him senseless or worse.

I'm old, but I know that there is karma. Whatever Amy does or doesn't do... Vyron is going to get his.. trust me.
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Jeff Stanton, Photographer
Atlanta | Ga | USA | Posted: 1:05 AM on 11.02.11
->> Never heard of these people. Just pure trash.
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Dirk Dewachter, Photographer
Playa Del Rey | CA | USA | Posted: 4:38 AM on 11.02.11
->> Wait, this guys calls himself "Left Brain," isn't that supposed to be the side of the brain which is logical, rational, analytical and objective as opposed to the "Right Brain" which is random, intuitive and subjective? So now I am confused he is analytical in that he wants to slap a photographer yet he does it intuitively there for cancelling out his brain and he is left with "No Brain" also known as brain dead. But what really is funny, there are people who fork over money to go watch this no brain babble garbage.
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Richard Uhlhorn, Photographer
Chelan Falls | WA | USA | Posted: 12:27 PM on 11.02.11
->> Right on Dirk and I also agree with Liddy and Michael Fischer. They will ultimatley fade into some dark hole to never be seen again, but hopefully, not before the attorneys get done with them. They are truly garbage in my mind.
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Michael Lopez, Student/Intern
Ventura | Ca | USA | Posted: 1:51 PM on 11.02.11
->> Im new to this industry, but served in the military. My question is, if I were attacked like this, would it be wrong for the industry of photographers if I fought back?
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Christian Hafer, Photographer
Wayne | Pa | USA | Posted: 2:10 PM on 11.02.11
->> In any situation where you are attacked while doing your job its not the best idea to return violence. Makes it harder for you to re-coop damages or press charges.

That said I would have a hard time watching a someone put his hands on another photog let alone a woman. I feel like its only a matter of time until he gets knocked out.
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Jeff Stanton, Photographer
Atlanta | Ga | USA | Posted: 3:04 PM on 11.02.11
->> I don't think it's a good idea to use violence either, but I sure as hell wouldn't let that POS take a swipe at me.
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Jim Comeau, Photo Editor, Photographer
Los Angeles | CA | USA | Posted: 3:20 PM on 11.02.11
->> I watched the video and I'm pretty sure the lyrics were "smacking a bitch" right around when the altercation took place.

Anyone else notice that or am I completely incorrect?
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Jeremy Proffitt, Photographer
Marshall | North Carolina | USA | Posted: 3:41 PM on 11.02.11
->> I believe you are right Jim
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Mike Huffstatler, Photographer, Assistant
Rancho Cucamonga | Ca | United States | Posted: 4:24 PM on 11.02.11
->> Jim, I'd also concur. They timed it specifically to the lyrics if you ask me. wow.
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Michael Granse, Photographer
Urbana | IL | USA | Posted: 6:01 PM on 11.02.11
->> If someone takes a swing at a lady in my presence he is going to get flattened. Chivalry is not dead just yet.
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Jeff Stanton, Photographer
Atlanta | Ga | USA | Posted: 9:36 PM on 11.02.11
->> I hate to say this, Michael, but that's not a good idea my friend. I've seen people do what you just described and end up in jail. Best to help the lady up or call the police, offer whatever assistance you can, but never, never get involved in an altercation such as the one we've been discussing here. If it's your wife, that's another story, but more often than not, you'll find yourself in handcuffs for getting involved with something that's none of your business.
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Wally Nell, Photographer
SAN DIEGO | CA | USA | Posted: 10:34 PM on 11.02.11
->> Jeff I agree. It seems the person who responds/reacts to the abuse gets in trouble as well. I have been in many situations where I just held myself back because I knew that if I flew into this guy, I would be the one in jail that night, even though he kept on provoking me. However, self-control is not the easiest thing...
In my school days, OK so it is a while ago, and in a different country; the teachers used to give us boxing gloves and let us fight for 5 minutes... Honor was different then...
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Michael Fischer, Photographer
Spencer | Ia | USA | Posted: 11:20 PM on 11.02.11
->> Michael, it's like the old notion in a football game, it's the second one who gets caught.

But there's a better reason in this case to let it pass: Vryon the no brain is going to end up writing out a big check in a civil suit, and we'll be lucky if he avoids prosecution for assault in a criminal case. That my friend, is far better than getting a lucky punch in.

This assumes some gang banger doesn't get to him first.
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Jim Colburn, Photographer, Photo Editor
Omaha | NE | USA | Posted: 12:27 AM on 11.03.11
->> Douchebag?
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Jeff Stanton, Photographer
Atlanta | Ga | USA | Posted: 7:16 AM on 11.03.11
->> Yeah Jim. Technically speaking, it was one of those things that was used to, ehhhhhh ...... yeah. Forget it.
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Richard Uhlhorn, Photographer
Chelan Falls | WA | USA | Posted: 12:35 PM on 11.03.11
->> Actually, as hard as it might be to not strike back or defend yourself physically, the best punch is probably the civil or criminal lawsuit. It these idiots are going to hate photographers, then really make them hate them by getting into their pocketbooks.
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Jim Colburn, Photographer, Photo Editor
Omaha | NE | USA | Posted: 8:41 PM on 11.03.11
->> http://www.urbandictionary.com says

Douchbag
Please see Kevin Federline
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