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Edit and Caption at Half Time
David Scott, Photographer
Portland | OR | US | Posted: 12:53 PM on 10.22.11
->> I'm curious how many photos you folks can edit, caption and upload in a typical football half time.

Thanks

-- Dave
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Craig Mitchelldyer, Photographer, Assistant
Portland | OR | USA | Posted: 1:03 PM on 10.22.11
->> 15-20 using Aperture.
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Andrew Nelles, Photographer
Chicago | IL | usa | Posted: 1:05 PM on 10.22.11
->> Depending on the game, client, etc. I usually send over 10-15.
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David Scott, Photographer
Portland | OR | US | Posted: 1:07 PM on 10.22.11
->> Thanks Craig!

I'm not that quick! 8 - 12 using Lightroom but just downloaded Photo Mechanic to see if I can speed things up.

-- Dave
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Matt Kartozian, Photographer
Scottsdale | AZ | USA | Posted: 1:53 PM on 10.22.11
->> 10-20 usually. I edit and resize with LR. Caption and transmit with PM.
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Butch Miller, Photographer
Lock Haven | PA | USA | Posted: 4:56 PM on 10.22.11
->> I have found that adding Text Expander (for System side code replacement efforts) and the LR FTP plugin (from the LR SDK allows you to export directly from within LR and not use an FTP client) to the mix, that the speed at which I can process, caption and FTP images to clients to be on par with PM.


http://www.smilesoftware.com/TextExpander/

(If you buy it from the Mac OSX app store it will be licensed on five machines)

http://www.adobe.com/devnet/photoshoplightroom.html

(Don't worry if the download link say Windows ... the SDK is cross-platform ... just copy the FTP plugin folder to your LR plugin folder and the restart LR and you will be able to set up export presets to any FTP location you access/authorization for just as you can to any local or network drive or directory ... best thing is you do not need to cleanup any legacy files as LR does that for ... )
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Svein Ove Ekornesvaag, Photographer
Aalesund | Møre og Romsdal | Norway | Posted: 5:21 PM on 10.22.11
->> Somewhere between 5 to 8 edited, captured and transmitted full size jpeg converted from RAW in the 15 minutes soccer half time. Wich gives me something like 5 to 10 minutes time to work. Rest of the time I use for moving.

Sometimes even less than five images if it takes time to find the name of the players. It should be madatory to have number in the front and back of the jersey, as well as on the shorts. My face recognition hardware doesn't always work when I shoot not so famous players.
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Scott Serio, Photo Editor, Photographer
Colora | MD | USA | Posted: 6:44 PM on 10.22.11
->> What Butch said, only Typinator instead of Text Expander. I was a big fan of Aperture, but I didn't like the ingest speed for RAW files, not how it handled RAW files. Photo Mechanic is still the fastest, but you better nail your exposures. If there is any type of challenging lighting, I move straight to Lightroom now. You can edit, tones, caption all in one program, and the control in LR are the same ones you get in Camera Raw, so that is a nice benefit.

PM and Code Replacement are the fastest, but Lightroom and Typinator also do the job well.
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Craig Mitchelldyer, Photographer, Assistant
Portland | OR | USA | Posted: 8:34 PM on 10.22.11
->> Scott the best thing about Aperture is you can begin to make adjustments and caption and tag images while they are still on the card as they copy. Huge huge huge time saver. You never have to wait.
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Craig Mitchelldyer, Photographer, Assistant
Portland | OR | USA | Posted: 8:35 PM on 10.22.11
->> And +1 for typinator and code replacement. Saves a ton of time.
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Adam Brimer, Photographer, Assistant
Knoxville | TN | USA | Posted: 11:05 PM on 10.22.11
->> yeah code replacements save you a ton of time. so do audio notes you make in camera on the field during play. i also lock the selects as I go and add the audio notes to them.

it saves a ton of time on the back end to do this between plays on the front end.
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Aaron Jaffe, Photographer, Student/Intern
San Diego | CA | USA | Posted: 12:43 AM on 10.23.11
->> How do you guys handle the work flow?

Is it:
Transfer from card to laptop
Pick selects
Caption and export
Send

Or do you go into the process knowing which images you are going to use?
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Patrick Fallon, Photographer, Assistant
Dallas | Texas | USA | Posted: 3:28 AM on 10.23.11
->> Most people I know who work on deadline tag their images in camera with the "lock" button. this way they'll be imported first in PhotoMechanic and you can just view those and get them out faster.
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Jack Megaw, Photographer
Philadelphia | PA | USA | Posted: 9:27 AM on 10.23.11
->> Like Patrick just said I'll lock the files as the game goes on then I'll leg it up to the photo room/press box and I can normally pound through 15-20 before the half ends. It helps that my captions are almost completely pre written in the stationary pad so it just comes down to saying who is in the picture.

-Jack

(by the way...good question!)
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Jeff Blake, Photographer
Columbia | SC | USA | Posted: 9:51 AM on 10.23.11
->> 15-20 photos at half-time.

-Tag (lock) the files in between plays. Use voice memo to ID player #'s.
-Ingest with Photo Mechanic, which automatically adds a base caption. View only the photos I tagged during the game. -Caption using code replacement.
-Batch tone with LR3, quickly crop my selects, export and FTP.

If you're not using Code Replacement, that might be the biggest time-saver of them all.
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Jeremy Proffitt, Photographer
Marshall | North Carolina | USA | Posted: 11:15 AM on 10.23.11
->> Any good tutorials you guys recommend on using code replacement?
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Chuck Liddy, Photographer
Durham | NC | USA | Posted: 12:13 PM on 10.23.11
->> jeremy, code replacement is about as simple as it can be. don't know why you would need a tutorial. it's a d19 and that prints out (in my case) Duke quarterback Sean Renfree (19). that's about all you need to know...unless you want to get fance and start using all the other options which I feel are pretty un-neccessary when you're doing basic captioning.
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Dennis Wierzbicki, Photographer
Plainfield | IL | USA | Posted: 12:34 PM on 10.23.11
->> Chuck is right, it is pretty simple, but if you're looking for some help, try these:

http://www.sportsshooter.com/news/1951

http://www.jasonowatson.com/blog/2008/12/27/using-photo-mechanics-code-repl.../
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Chuck Liddy, Photographer
Durham | NC | USA | Posted: 1:55 PM on 10.23.11
->> fance? realle? FANCY!!!! oh and I left the |'s off that code.....too early to be typing again...
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Bob DeChiara, Photographer
Burlington | MA | USA | Posted: 2:11 PM on 10.23.11
->> Spot on Jeff!!
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Jeremy Proffitt, Photographer
Marshall | North Carolina | USA | Posted: 3:11 PM on 10.23.11
->> Thanks for the example Chuck. Appreciate the links Dennis.
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David Scott, Photographer
Portland | OR | US | Posted: 5:06 PM on 10.23.11
->> Lots of great info! Thank you to everyone.

Is it still not possible for Lightroom to recognize/import only locked files? Most of the info on the web regarding this is a bit old.

Thanks!

-- Dave
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Aaron Jaffe, Photographer, Student/Intern
San Diego | CA | USA | Posted: 7:33 PM on 10.23.11
->> Thanks for the responses and answers, it is very helpful.

So you all still ingest the full contents of the card then? Or is it just the locked images?
Or do you work on the locked images while the rest ingest?


The reason I ask is that it seems to take 5-10 minutes alone to fully ingest two-three bodies worth of shooting. My cards are not the fastest but they are still pretty quick. That seems to be the biggest puzzle for me.
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Randy Sartin, Photographer, Assistant
Knoxville | TN | USA | Posted: 8:23 PM on 10.23.11
->> I'll ingest the locked ones only, then immediately start ingesting the rest (while working on the locked ones). Might be a better way?
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Dennis Wierzbicki, Photographer
Plainfield | IL | USA | Posted: 9:17 PM on 10.23.11
->> Aaron, like Randy suggested, you can save time by only ingesting the "tagged" images. Another time saver is to only apply the IPTC Stationery Pad to images after you have selected them for upload - in other words, don't apply the Pad to all images as they are being ingested.
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Thomas Boyd, Photographer
Portland | OR | USA | Posted: 11:17 PM on 10.23.11
->> Here's a tutorial I wrote about using Typinator with Aperture, but it applicable to LR and even PM. The cool thing about Typinator is that it will work with all apps.

http://aperture.maccreate.com/2010/11/16/tutorial-using-typinator-with-aper.../

I use it everyday for different date formats. I name all my folders starting with a date like this: 20111023 which appears when I type (dt). I have it set up to do an AP style date in a caption when I type (dap) and it shows up like this: Sun., Oct. 23, 2011.

Little details like that speed up any workflow.

It's also possible to import tagged/locked images into Aperture as well, but I rarely do that. I like to import the entire card. I speed this by using as many card readers as I have cameras. So, I'll often be working on images as three cards are being imported at once. That's why Aperture is faster than any other app. You can have an image, captioned, tweaked, and sent before it's off the card. The trick is to use multiple card readers. That way your entire take is available instantly. I've used up to six card readers when editing three photographers.

To answer the question though, send anywhere between 3 and 12 images at the half depending on the situation.
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Shane Psaltis, Photographer
Aquebogue | NY | USA | Posted: 8:55 PM on 10.24.11
->> Is anyone still using photoshop at all?
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Randy Sartin, Photographer, Assistant
Knoxville | TN | USA | Posted: 9:46 PM on 10.24.11
->> Shane,
Yes, sort of at least. I shoot Jpeg and edit primarily with Camera Raw, most of the time I never get out of ACR.

I've fooled around with Lightroom quite a bit, can't seem to grasp what I am missing, but keep thinking I'm missing out on something, so I'm all ears :)
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Craig Mitchelldyer, Photographer, Assistant
Portland | OR | USA | Posted: 10:43 PM on 10.24.11
->> Randy, your missing the step where you shoot RAW. It's a much faster, more controlled workflow that way.
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Doug McSchooler, Photographer
Avon | Indiana | United States | Posted: 11:18 PM on 10.24.11
->> To keep the thread on topic, I typically send 5-10 images at half-time from high school football games. I think that there's a difference based on shooting conditions on what kind of quality:quantity you get when comparing a Saturday afternoon college game to a poorly-lit Friday night high school game.

At some point throughout the day on Friday, I'll put together a really simple Code Replacement file (often sending an email to the host school's athletic director will get me the evening's roster emailed to me to simply copy and paste the info from). Having that Code Replacement information in place is truly a serious time-saver on deadline.

I do have one PhotoMechanic feature that I wish were implemented: When writing captions, there is a button in the IPTC Info dialogue box to "Save & >" to move to the next image. I WISH that that same button would allow you to save AND FTP that image to a default FTP server so that the FTP process is ongoing as you continue writing captions.
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Sam Morris, Photographer
Henderson (Las Vegas) | NV | USA | Posted: 1:32 AM on 10.26.11
->> Wow. Getting 10-20 up at halftime really gives me pause to re-evaluate my workflow (4-8 is my average using PM and PS). I thought I was working fast, but obviously there are ways to speed things up that I haven't looked at. I would love to be able to get my halftime gallery up without stressing about getting back down in time to catch the second half (I loath hearing a stadium cheer when I am trotting down a stairwell back down to the field).

I would like to pose a question at to why the quantity. Maybe it's my photos, but I don't think I ever have 10-20 photos that I would like to post from the first half of a game. I am happy if I have a gallery of 15-20 at the end of the game, and that includes features.

Is the quantity being driven by editors? Or is it being driven by the amount of traffic you get for the galleries? There are a few papers that will have galleries of photos from games I am interested in looking at, but when I see there are 40, 50, 60, 80 photos in the gallery, I don't even bother starting to look.

Do any of you newspaper photographers get feedback as to the amount of traffic the gallery gets, and do you get any break down as far as what photos get hit when? It is a little more difficult for me to tell what the real world is like as far as football goes because UNLV has one of the worst teams in D1 ball and we get very little traffic for that - basketball is a different story and I am working on finding out traffic patterns for game nights so I can better taylor my coverage.
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Israel Shirk, Photographer, Assistant
Boise | ID | US | Posted: 1:39 AM on 10.26.11
->> Doug-
If you're on a Mac you can set up a folder/automator action to do that when you save.
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Kevin Novak, Photographer, Assistant
Bel Air (Baltimore) | MD | USA | Posted: 12:35 PM on 10.26.11
->> Doug,

I would get a handful captioned, then drag them onto a Transmit shortcut for the appropriate server, then go back to captioning a few more.
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