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Irene: Perfect storm of hype
PJ Heller, Photographer
Santa Barbara | CA | USA | Posted: 3:33 PM on 08.28.11
->> http://tinyurl.com/3s8s8ox
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Kevin M. Cox, Photographer, Assistant
Galveston & Houston | TX | US | Posted: 4:15 PM on 08.28.11
->> To me this is the most important line in the story:

"The resultant perfect storm of hype over Irene runs the risk of making Americans even more like to ignore warnings in the future."

This is exactly what happened here with Hurricane Ike in 2008. The hype, "letdown" and evacuation nightmares from Hurricane Rita [
http://www.chron.com/CDA/archives/archive.mpl/2005_3905891/hurricane-rita-t...] caused many people to ignore warnings and stay put because Ike was "just" a Category 2 storm.

It didn't turn out well.
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Dave Breen, Photographer
Somerset | PA | USA | Posted: 4:36 PM on 08.28.11
->> But it was "good television".
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Stephen O'Brien, Photographer
Houston | Tx | USA | Posted: 5:04 PM on 08.28.11
->> Well said Kevin. Excellent link...I got the heck out of town for both Rita and Ike.
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Mark Loundy, Photo Editor
San Jose | CA | USA | Posted: 5:37 PM on 08.28.11
->> There was a reasonable chance that Irene could have gone biblical. A slight increase in ocean temperature, a tiny variation in the steering currents and it could have been much much worse. Nobody knew on Friday that it would be relatively mild. Lucky guesses don't count.

The emergency services had to get revved-up for the worst case well in advance. It was a reasonable call for news organizations to go wall-to-wall with coverage and get people into the field ahead of time.

After-the-fact moaning about "alarmist" news media is misplaced and just plain wrong.

Note: I stayed up until early this morning watching CNN, Fox, MSNBC and Twitter to track this story. The reporters were careful not to report rumors or speculate. When the nuclear power plant went offline, CNN went to a break to get the story straight before they reported it. The New York Times special @NYTLive Twitter feed did a great job of curating other tweets about the storm.

--Mark
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Jacob Langston, Photographer
Orlando | FL | | Posted: 6:46 PM on 08.28.11
->> I'm not sure I want to be the one to tell the family of the 18 dead so far that this was a storm of "hype". Billions of dollars in damage....also not "hype".
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Jim Colburn, Photographer, Photo Editor
Omaha | NE | USA | Posted: 9:01 PM on 08.28.11
->> Which would you rather be, the president that does nothing to prepare for a huge hurricane and lets one of America's great cities get trashed and waits a week before sending in any help or a president that pre-stages emergency aid and puts government offices on call and ready to help areas effected by that huge hurricane?

Would you rather be the mayor that waits until the last minute before telling his citizens it's time to evacuate or the mayor that evacuates low lying areas, including hospitals, to make sure everyone is safe?

As usual, better to be safe than sorry.
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Paul Hayes, Photographer, Photo Editor
Littleton | NH | USA | Posted: 9:01 PM on 08.28.11
->> Funny thing happened this storm. First, national news outlets went nuts over hyping the storm. Then, in response, people went nuts ridiculing the coverage and downplaying the storm.

It wasn't Katrina. But it has done a fair amount of damage.
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Smiley Pool, Photographer
Houston | TX | USA | Posted: 10:42 PM on 08.28.11
->> Kevin is quite correct. Rita evacuationsin 2005 were a disaster. A colossal panic on the heels of Katrina with dozens of deaths in the evacuation itself. The pendulum swing was under-reaction in 2008 to Hurricane Ike that cost lives.

From a distance it appears that preparation for Irene seems to have been appropriate. I would rather see slight inconvenience and over preparation than needless suffering. There is plenty of that to go around in the world as it is.

As for complaining about how something was handled in the media, or the motivations of politicians, well that's just par for the course. Nothing really new to see here, move along. You could make this same critique about any hurricane. The only minor difference on this one is it was headed for the nation's traditional media centers so more people got to watch - and more people, with bigger megaphones, get to critique.

The bottom line is if you over sell it - and nothing really happens - you get criticized for "hype". But if you under sell it - people can get killed.

Which brings us back to Kevin's point.

Hurricane Ike hit Texas on a Saturday morning two days before Lehman Brothers failed. So, unless you were down here in the middle of it, you stopped getting news coverage about it by Monday morning. Never mind it was the third costliest hurricane in US history and nearly 200 people were killed, the world economy had just started to collapse. The media spotlight, understandably, moved on.

Yet even before that storm, some people were already scoffing because the National Hurricane Center had warned of "Certain Death" for residents in low-lying coastal Texas. People laughed it off as hyperbole. Many though that was just "hype". Plenty of people thought, "It's only a Cat 2."

If you are worried about hurricanes and hype, Lise Olsen's story from Sept. 2008 (stories you likely missed because the economy was collapsing) is a must read for a cautionary tale on what can happen when your guard is down:

http://www.chron.com/news/hurricanes/article/Two-weeks-after-Hurricane-Ike-...

It details the last phone call from a woman who chose to stay in a mandatory evacuation zone. She told a friend "I think I really screwed up this time."

Her body was recovered a few weeks later.
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Mark Peters, Photographer
Highland | IL | USA | Posted: 10:57 PM on 08.28.11
->> "lets one of America's great cities get trashed"

Speaking of hyperbole.
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Mike Brice, Photographer
SLC | UT | USA | Posted: 11:51 PM on 08.28.11
->> Just remember, if you captioned an image after 930 a.m. Sunday, it should say Tropical Storm not Hurricane.
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Tom Szczerbowski, Photographer
London | ON | Canada | Posted: 12:35 AM on 08.29.11
->> JIm: "...the president that does nothing..."

It was the job of local officials to order a full mandatory evacuation, not the president's. The mayor of New Orleans chose not to do so. Neither did the governor.

How very sad.
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Bradly J. Boner, Photographer, Photo Editor
Jackson | WY | USA | Posted: 9:40 AM on 08.29.11
->> Tom - I'm guessing that's what Jim meant by,

"Would you rather be the mayor that waits until the last minute before telling his citizens it's time to evacuate or the mayor that evacuates low lying areas, including hospitals, to make sure everyone is safe?"

I think his point was that government, on EVERY level, was much more prepared for this storm than they were for Katrina.
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Mike Burley, Photographer
Dubuque | IA | USA | Posted: 10:17 AM on 08.29.11
->> No one ever knows how dangerous a storm will be.. Its really hard to predict. One thing you can predict though.. TV reporters trying too hard (from '06).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8slEPV9LyS0
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Jeff Blake, Photographer
Columbia | SC | USA | Posted: 10:18 AM on 08.29.11
->> I'm sure the folks in Vermont affected by the horrendous flooding in this video don't think it's hype:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/44305129/ns/weather/#.TlufOTv_JtI
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Jamey Price, Photographer, Assistant
Charlotte | NC | USA | Posted: 10:27 AM on 08.29.11
->> Yeah. It could have been worse, but it was plenty bad enough. The outer banks got hammered.
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Jim Colburn, Photographer, Photo Editor
Omaha | NE | USA | Posted: 10:57 AM on 08.29.11
->> Thank you Bradley.
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Scott Serio, Photo Editor, Photographer
Colora | MD | USA | Posted: 10:58 AM on 08.29.11
->> Ask anyone who has gone through a real hurricane how fickle they be. Hurricane Andrew had dead aim on Naples, FL when I was there in 1992. It is a little deviation south by 15 miles and that probably saved the entire city.

Then look at the destruction it caused in Miami AFTER going over 60 miles of land and after completely thrashing the Everglades.

This was a huge storm and could have been catastrophic. The media over-hyped it, the politicians, I think they were doing what they needed to do to get people to get out of the way.

Ask the folks in Miami if they wish their local leaders had over-hyped Andrew. Or maybe natives of New Orleans for Katrina.
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Debra L Rothenberg, Photographer
New York | NY | USA | Posted: 11:15 AM on 08.29.11
->> HYPE????


http://www.buzzfeed.com/mjs538/frightening-hurricane-irene-destruction-phot...
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Sam Santilli, Photographer, Photo Editor
Philippi | WV | USA | Posted: 11:59 AM on 08.29.11
->> So Jim, those glasses in your member icon must be those "Hind Sight" glasses. Katrina changed the play book on emergency prep and responce. No need to throw in political slants on a tragedy on a sports website. At least the folks on the East Coast benefitted from things done wrong in the past.
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Dianna Russell, Photographer
Springfield | MO | USA | Posted: 12:32 PM on 08.29.11
->> Debra, I was just about to post that link. I'll bet those people were thankful for the "hype" and were hopefully safe. I'll also bet the residents of Joplin, MO wish they could have have more "hype" *and* warning.
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Bradly J. Boner, Photographer, Photo Editor
Jackson | WY | USA | Posted: 12:45 PM on 08.29.11
->> I'm sorry, Sam, but what are you talking about? I think you're reading into "political slants" that don't exist in Jim's post.

Jim and I have disagreed a lot on these boards but in this case I believe all he is saying is that the government response, on all levels and regardless of political party, was head and shoulders above what it was six years ago, which is evident in the fact that we don't have more than 2,000 dead citizens and anarchy in any major city hit by Irene. I don't know what's "politically slanted" about that.
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Tom Szczerbowski, Photographer
London | ON | Canada | Posted: 1:35 PM on 08.29.11
->> Bradley: "I'm guessing that's what Jim meant by . . ."

Oh really, . . . and yet he somehow found a way to heap praise on the current prez while accusing the former of allowing a city to "get trashed."

How remarkably dignified of him.
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Butch Miller, Photographer
Lock Haven | PA | USA | Posted: 2:54 PM on 08.29.11
->> Yeah .... at least there are 35 folks who probably don't think Irene was "over-hyped" ... if you look at the details of many of the deaths ... had they heeded the 'hype' and warnings the media and elected officials offered in advance (just as was offered during Katrina for those who would like to re-write history) ... perhaps they could participate in the discussion with us today ...

http://www.ajc.com/news/nation-world/hurricane-irene-blamed-for-1150358.htm...
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Mark Peters, Photographer
Highland | IL | USA | Posted: 2:57 PM on 08.29.11
->> " which is evident in the fact that we don't have more than 2,000 dead citizens and anarchy in any major city hit by Irene.".

Of course the difference in the magnitude of the storm and the lack of one of the greatest engineering failures in modern history couldn't have anything to do with that.
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Dave Breen, Photographer
Somerset | PA | USA | Posted: 5:09 PM on 08.29.11
->> I read the story/column that we're all discussing as a comment on the WAY television covered it, not the fact that the hurricane was not as severe as expected. This is nothing new in this country, but perhaps the writer (being a Brit) is not accustomed to all the melodrama we watch/avoid on a daily basis.
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Jim Pierce, Photographer
Waltham | MA | USA | Posted: 5:51 PM on 08.29.11
->> Just some first hand experience from the storm, it was perfect in many ways as it did not hit Killington Vermont on Saturday, my wedding day and also allowed all of our guests to get home. Me and my new wife however are on "Killington Island" The storm as washed out, actually distroyed, the roads and bridges. We just got back elecricity and hope it stays on.

This place is a mess.

Hopefully I can post some picks, but from my viewpoint NOT Hype!!

Jim
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Bradly J. Boner, Photographer, Photo Editor
Jackson | WY | USA | Posted: 6:31 PM on 08.29.11
->> @Tom H. - If you want to make a case defending the previous administration's response to hurricane Katrina, by all means, I'd love to hear it.

If you still think Jim's post had political undertones, go back and read it again - the whole thing this time - because he also takes a shot at former Mayor Ray Nagin, a Democrat.

And while Jim's post didn't mention her, former Governor Kathleen Blanco, also a Democrat, didn't exactly have a great performance during Katrina, either.

The fact of the matter is that all levels of government failed in their response to Katrina, however current officeholders learned from their mistakes and decided this time it was, as Jim put it, "better to be safe than sorry."

I don't understand what's so political about that.
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David Seelig, Photographer
Hailey | ID | USA | Posted: 7:30 PM on 08.29.11
->> Because it is Jim people make assumptions.
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Mark Peters, Photographer
Highland | IL | USA | Posted: 7:41 PM on 08.29.11
->> It's not about making assumptions - it's about the insertion of the gratuitous comment "lets one of America's great cities get trashed" into the post.

Let's be clear, absent a miraculous rebuilding of the levees as Katrina approached, no amount of preparation by anyone was going to save New Orleans from getting trashed. To place blame upon any single individual for that damage is nonsense.

The failures at all levels of government to react and to perform in a manner which would have mitigated the damage is well documented.

Absent that one phrase, I would have read Jim's post virtually the same as Bradley did.
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Scott Miller, Photographer
Sorrento | FL | | Posted: 8:13 PM on 08.29.11
->> Not going to jump into the political argument, but @Scott Serio, you are way off on Andrew.

"Then look at the destruction it caused in Miami AFTER going over 60 miles of land and after completely thrashing the Everglades."


Andrew was a Cat. 5 when it came ashore south of Miami at Fender Point, 9 miles northeast of Homestead. Then across the Glades and out into the Gulf.

By the time it reached the Naples area it was at 120mph, nothing to sneeze at by any means - but non the less, it came to Naples via the east across the state.
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Sam Santilli, Photographer, Photo Editor
Philippi | WV | USA | Posted: 10:02 PM on 08.29.11
->> Jim, why do you need electricity on a honeymoon?????
Congrats!
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Jim Pierce, Photographer
Waltham | MA | USA | Posted: 10:27 PM on 08.29.11
->> Sam, I knew someone would ask and normally you wouldn't LOL. However with well water you have no water if you have no electricity and most properties here have only well water. No flushing nothing.....we filled up a few tubs to store water before we lost the power so we could at least flush.

We actually canceled the real honeymoon and hope to get out of here within the next few days. We hope anyway

Drove around a little but need to save gas as there is none that we can get to. They ran out today.

I real adventure for sure and can't wait to see the pics from ss member Geoffrey Bolte who shot my wedding and was smart to get out early

We are safe and at this point that is what matters

Jim
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Kevin M. Cox, Photographer, Assistant
Galveston & Houston | TX | US | Posted: 12:17 AM on 08.30.11
->> Here is an article from the other side of the argument with some interesting statistics:

"How Irene Lived Up to the Hype"
http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/08/29/how-irene-lived-up-to-t.../
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Sam Santilli, Photographer, Photo Editor
Philippi | WV | USA | Posted: 9:09 AM on 08.30.11
->> Jim, please stay safe. At least you will have some good stories for the Grandchildren. If you have an old army manual in one of the cabins, go to the chapter on slit trenches.
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Jack Howard, Photographer, Photo Editor
Central Jersey | NJ | USA | Posted: 10:04 AM on 08.31.11
->> You know, there's a hell of a lot of people who would disagree with this apparent media and internet line of BS this week calling Irene "hype".

But they've been busy trying to do the best they can to take care of their work and family responsibilities without power (or from a temporary relocation spot, like us), or been pumping out their basements, removing damaged trees, and helping those in their communities that got hit even worse than them.

My hometown and surrounding area got hit amazingly hard. Power is just beginning to be restored to some areas today, with many other sections of NJ still without power.

I have friends in Vermont who saw their house get torn apart by floodwaters and they and their kids and pets are rebuilding their lives right now.

People on the beach ahead of storm were swept away one town south of where I grew up.

My father down the shore has been without power since Saturday and has to run his car every hour or so to get cooler air to breathe to keep him OK.

I have friends in the photo industry in the Adirondacks who did OK themselves, but have spent the time since the storm volunteering to help their neighbors who are in a bad way.

Yeah, the self-absorbed media, and the media-loathing-media-and-their-minions, and unaffected idiots on talk radio and message boards can do all the monday morning quarterbacking they want.

Politicians and hate-spewing pundits on the left and the right can point fingers and sell ads or make headlines against controversy by criticizing the other's over- or under- reactions, but do not for a minute think that just because DC, New York and Boston didn't bear the brunt of this storm, that this was not a major disaster that impacted millions of people.

You see, there's a heck of a lot of people who would vehemently disagree with this, but we've been a bit too busy the past few days to take part in these stupid conversations on talk radio and on the web.
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Stew Milne, Photographer
Providence | RI | USA | Posted: 12:51 PM on 08.31.11
->> What Jack said!!!!
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Ed Mulholland, Photographer
Pompton Lakes | NJ | USA | Posted: 3:03 PM on 08.31.11
->> If you came to my town of Pompton Lakes, NJ I don't think you would say hype...it's really sad what's going on here, thankfully my house is fine, not so 3 blocks in any direction from where I am...

A few blocks from mine a house exploded, thankfully they were evacuated...and there are several road collapses. Just driving on the roads around here that you can now access is horrible, tons of destroyed belongings out at curbs...
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Logan Mock-Bunting, Photographer
Washington | DC | USA | Posted: 5:39 PM on 08.31.11
->> http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/31/us/31floods.html?smid=fb-nytimes&WT.mc_id...

NYT is reporting it to be one of the 10 costliest catastrophes in US history.

I understand there is a danger in getting folks jaded - at crying wolf, if you will - but this storm WAS a wolf. The US (and NYC in particular) was very lucky it was not worse.

Over 2,500 people, including Chuck Liddy, were marooned when Irene created 4 new inlets in the Outer Banks. Some towns in NC are still under 3 feet of water. The NE will be tallying damage for weeks, if not months, to come.

If you want to debate whether some media had ulterior motives in broadcasting alerts, fine. But many of us were making a benevolent appeal to communicate the magnitude and very real, dire possibilities of the storm.
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Eric Canha, Photographer
Brockton | MA | United States | Posted: 9:09 PM on 08.31.11
->> 42 hours on a generator.... 30' tree uprooted in my yard took out my new neighbors fence and missed the house by 16 feet. Land based communications down and even today friends around be are still doing without.... Someone want to define HYPE? Oh ya I remember now.... in Britain it's dentistry...

Seriously there wasn't any HYPE what there was, was a lot of confused storm tracks. This may just well become our "Blizzard of '77". That blizzard set the bar for most New England residents for a lifetime of taking winter storms seriously. This storm, small as it was, seems to have caught much of the areas it touched unprepared. I am VERY thankful that we were visited by TS Irene and not a Cat II or III or worse storm.

Just because a clamoring group of future Darwin Award recipients are in the background of a live shot climbing sea walls or teasing waves on a jetty doesn't make the storm any less severe.

At least this fool didn't say something stupid like he wants his life back.... Too bad Irene didn't take out his internet before he published that drivel.


p.s. Jim congrats!
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