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Good news for photographers with iPads
Jack Kurtz, Photographer
Phoenix | AZ | United States | Posted: 10:47 AM on 03.24.11
->> Filterstorm, a terrific iPad/iPhone app that allows you to edit, caption and ftp photos directly from an iPad/iPhone is being developed into "Filterstorm Pro" for the iPad. Tai, the developer, calls it a Mobile Photography Workflow app that will work on the iPad in much the same way Lightroom works. It's JPEG only, because iPads don't have the horsepower to convert raw files, but it's still great news.

I've been using Filterstorm to transmit breaking photos off of my iPhone since September and it's been a lifesaver. Pro promises to be even better.

http://filterstorm.com/pro/
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Rowan Byers, Student/Intern, Photographer
Goleta | CA | United States | Posted: 11:39 AM on 03.24.11
->> What method do you use to get the photos from the camera to the iPad? Do you use the usb camera connector or are you wireless?
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Butch Miller, Photographer
Lock Haven | PA | USA | Posted: 11:53 AM on 03.24.11
->> I too have found Filterstorm to be a great deadline option using the iPad for sending a handful of files ... the Pro version sounds great ... is there an approximate release date yet?

Rowan ... I use the Camera Connection kit with the camera's USB cable ... generally I only download the images I want to work on for transmission and not the entire shoot ... works pretty well ...
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Jack Kurtz, Photographer
Phoenix | AZ | United States | Posted: 12:03 PM on 03.24.11
->> I don't use an iPad (yet). I'm using it on the iPhone and using a ZoomIt card reader (SD cards only) to access photos. I've been very happy with it.
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Travis Haughton, Photographer
Crystal Lake | IL | USA | Posted: 12:09 PM on 03.24.11
->> Wow, they're eating Photo Mechanic's lunch...

Butch, the release date is up to Apple. The site says it has been submitted to Apple for review, so whenever their team approves it, it'll go live.

Anybody know of a good way to "backup" the photos on my iPad to an external hard drive while traveling. If I could do that, I wouldn't need to lug my laptop everywhere with me. Right now, the best I can do is FTP'ing each photo, but that's not practical with 1000s of RAW files over WiFi.

I really hope Filterstorm keeps up the great work!
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Butch Miller, Photographer
Lock Haven | PA | USA | Posted: 12:28 PM on 03.24.11
->> Travis ... maybe something like this?

http://www.hypershop.com/HyperDrive-iPad-Hard-Drive-s/183.htm
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Kevin Novak, Photographer, Assistant
Bel Air (Baltimore) | MD | USA | Posted: 1:08 PM on 03.24.11
->> Travis,

Here's a letter posted by Photo Mechanic's President regarding issues with creating a Photo Mechanic app:

http://forums.camerabits.com/index.php?topic=5603.0
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Jack Kurtz, Photographer
Phoenix | AZ | United States | Posted: 1:26 PM on 03.24.11
->> Filterstorm gets around the iPad limitations on storing photos with IPTC info by NOT storing them. Tai, (the developer) built an ftp client into Filterstorm. You export (via either ftp or email) straight out of Filterstorm and your photo ends up at the client with caption info. As soon as you save the photo into the iPhone (or iPad) the caption info gets stripped out (because of Apple's limit on how photos are stored). So it's not perfect but, for me, this is something I use only when I'm on a really tight deadline and using my MacBook Pro isn't practical. I am not sure how FS Pro is going to address this issue.

Travis is right, when it comes to the iPad/iPhone Tai Shimizu (Filterstorm's developer) is eating everyone's lunch. When he released FS for the iPhone I dumped most of my other photo editing apps.
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Thomas Boyd, Photographer
Portland | OR | USA | Posted: 3:12 PM on 03.24.11
->> I've been using an Eye-Fi card to ftp photos directly from my camera. The hitch is that you need a Verizon Mi-Fi card.

Now, with the iPhone and other brands able to create a hotspot, that would work as well.

The downside is that the images are transmitted without metadata.

The upside is I can send by "locking" the image on the camera and it will be sent to my newspaper's Merlin system in about 30 seconds. It's magical.
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Travis Haughton, Photographer
Crystal Lake | IL | USA | Posted: 4:34 PM on 03.24.11
->> Thanks Butch, that's close, but I don't think it lets me copy from the iPad to the drive, only the other way around. I think it's more a limitation of the iPad software not being able to mount an external drive.

Kevin, I saw that letter when it came out. I wish they'd just suck it up and work within the limitations. Tai made something that looks awesome, no reason PM couldn't have done the same thing and branded it and we'd all be giving them 20 bucks each.

Adobe couldn't put a full version of photoshop on the iPhone, but they harnessed the power of their brand to do something, rather than ignore a popular platform.
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Walter Tychnowicz, Photographer
Edmonton | Alberta | Canada | Posted: 4:40 PM on 03.24.11
->> Quote from Travis Haughton, " Wow, they're eating Photo Mechanic's lunch..."
No kidding ! I emailed the good folks at Photo Mechanic a year or two ago and asked them if they were planning on developing a Photo Mechanic app for the iPhone3/3gs ( now that there is an iPhone 4 iPad 1/iPad 2 now) They said no they were not planning on it at all.
I wonder if they have changed their minds yet ??
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Walter Tychnowicz, Photographer
Edmonton | Alberta | Canada | Posted: 4:45 PM on 03.24.11
->> Hey Kevin,
Thanks for posting that link to the Photo Mechanic President's letter. The fact remains that there is alot of other Photography apps out there and Photo Mechanic doesnt have ( or made ) an iPad.iPhone specific app for us photographers. Im not concerned really, I will keep using those ones anyway. I just think they are missing out on a huge market here and are late to the party.
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Butch Miller, Photographer
Lock Haven | PA | USA | Posted: 4:54 PM on 03.24.11
->> Travis ... Wouldn't loading the camera card to the HyperDrive first, then loading the images to the iPad work?

At least that is how it is mentioned on their site?
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Robert Hanashiro, Photographer
Los Angeles | CA | | Posted: 11:19 PM on 03.26.11
->> Related:
http://www.sportsshooter.com/message_display.html?tid=37999
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Butch Miller, Photographer
Lock Haven | PA | USA | Posted: 12:57 PM on 04.09.11
->> Fiterstorm Pro for iPad is now available in the iOS store ... $9.99 ...
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Pat Lovell, Photographer
Bloomington | IN | US | Posted: 11:54 AM on 04.11.11
->> I just purchased Filterstorm Pro and it looks like a great application. I'm wondering if anyone has used it in the field yet?

My concern is speed, like most, I use 2-3 camera bodies when on assignment and download with 2 Lexar card readers. Looks like you would have to download one at a time.

Also, I don't see the ability to show "tagged" images as PhotoMechanic does, which seems like it would slow me down a bit. However, if I don't have to run to the media room during a game or at half-time, it might be a trade off.

The editing looks very solid and if PM had a feature like this, it would be perfect.

I'm going to test it tomorrow at a baseball game and would love to hear any workflow tips from anyone using the application.
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Trent Nelson, Photographer
Salt Lake City | UT | USA | Posted: 12:33 PM on 04.11.11
->> Pat-

You can send your tagged photos to the iPad with Wi-Fi transmitters or with an Eye-Fi memory card.

FilterStorm is amazing, but it and the iPad aren't that great (YET!) at editing hundreds or even dozens of photos from the camera or card.
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Max Simbron, Photographer, Assistant
Phoenix | AZ | USA | Posted: 2:37 PM on 04.11.11
->> Pat,

another option, if you're a Nikon kit guy who has two slots, is to tag your images in camera, then do a copy photos from first slot to second slot. So you cull images in camera (which you may be doing as you shoot already), and then only the tagged images are copied to the second slot, which is then put into the ipad.

Trent, I agree that it certainly isnt built for heavy editing, but I think if you make simple adjustments (like a crop), then automate any finishing touches you'd add to all images (e.g. NR, Sharpening), which you could apply to the library as a whole, would then net you a reasonable result.

Another thought, and I did this with a netbook (read: slow) last year, was to shoot RAW plus small jpeg with processing. By using a smaller image, you're taxing the ipad less.

You could even do some in camera processing with the NEF retouching tools built into most higher end Nikons. Export to second card, then use the ipad/fs pro combo more as a loupe/review and export/publish tool.

Just some thoughts. I got FS Pro minutes ago, but I will see if I can give it a run at tonights game

Max
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Pat Lovell, Photographer
Bloomington | IN | US | Posted: 2:44 PM on 04.11.11
->> Thanks Trent and Max,

I'm a Canon shooter but I'm thinking the wi-fi approach might work.

Another thing I was thinking about was code replacements, not sure how I can live without them.
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Butch Miller, Photographer
Lock Haven | PA | USA | Posted: 4:07 PM on 04.11.11
->> It seems to me that the first hurdle you need to clear is the iPad is not a perfect replacement for a laptop computer ... but a new tool what can emulate the workflow of a full computer ... with several limitations that currently require users to work within those limitations ...

When I use the iPad instead of my MBP ... I only upload the images I want to work on, not the entire card(s) ... there just isn't the need or time to do so ... often I only need to prepare, caption and upload a handful of images from an event ... any more than that ... the laptop is employed with the task ...

I do agree it would be nice to quickly add tagged images to the iPad ... and code replacement would be wonderful ... unfortunately, there are no apps or built in iOs features that allow this yet ... though in a couple of years I can see the iPad and/or some of it's competitors will make advancements in both hardware and software capabilities/options that will make current offerings look very basic ... app developers are just beginning to discover ideas, and receive feedback from users like us ... and soon there will be an "App for that" ...

For now, we just have to be patient and not expect them to do everything we are accustomed to until this evolves a bit more ... much like the first couple of generations of laptops did not all that long ago ...
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Max Simbron, Photographer, Assistant
Phoenix | AZ | USA | Posted: 4:52 PM on 04.11.11
->> Butch,

Small addendum to what you're saying: text shortcuts are possible in iOS currently, using textexpander and compatible apps
http://smilesoftware.com/TextExpander/touch/apps/
I wonder what it would take to get FS Pro to get on the list of compatible apps? I'm gonna email the FS Pro people about this, as converting some code replacements into textexpander snippets should be a breeze, if what I'm reading here by Chris Hunt is correct

" TextExpander provides similar functionality to Typinator, but imports PhotoMechanic code replacement templates natively, no modification is necessary."
http://www.sportsshooter.com/message_display.html?tid=37234

Anyhow, still a lot of work to be done, but given that the iPad is barely past a year old, and FS Pro is days old, I gotta say there's a whole lot to like so far.

Max
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Butch Miller, Photographer
Lock Haven | PA | USA | Posted: 5:09 PM on 04.11.11
->> Max ... saw TextExpander earlier ... and wish it could be applied system wide natively like Typinator on OS X ... sounds great that it can import PM code replacement templates ... and ... if Tai Shimizu (The FS/FS Pro developer) can add functionality with TextExpander, I'm sure he will ... he's been very responsive to user ideas and input thus far ...

Yep ... this is only the beginning ... ;-)
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Max Simbron, Photographer, Assistant
Phoenix | AZ | USA | Posted: 5:27 PM on 04.11.11
->> Butch,

I got an email back from Tai, not 10 minutes after sending a mention of this thread, and he will take a look at expansion functionality. Obviously this being a two day old program, we may need to be a little patient.

And yes, glad to see Tai being so responsive to his customer base.
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