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Peter Read Miller's Sports Photography Workshop is now OPEN!
Patrick Murphy-Racey, Photographer
Powell | TN | USA | Posted: 10:42 PM on 02.24.11
->> http://www.PeterReadMiller.com/#mi=1&pt=0&pi=4&p=-1&a=0&at=0
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Patrick Murphy-Racey, Photographer
Powell | TN | USA | Posted: 11:38 PM on 02.24.11
->> it was rumored that the Zeiss 1700mm f/4 lens made for the Hasselblad would be making an appearance at Peter's workshop, however, they were simply rumors...

http://www.zeiss.com/c12567a8003b58b9/Contents-Frame/8baac109cb80bddfc12571...
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Brad Mangin, Photographer
Pleasanton | CA | USA | Posted: 1:03 AM on 02.25.11
->> Oh man- this should be a great week. I would love to come just to watch Max Morse work!

Seriously folks- this is an incredible opportunity to learn from one of the all-time greats. This opportunity does not come around very often.
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Robby Gallagher, Student/Intern, Photo Editor
Brookings | SD | USA | Posted: 1:04 AM on 02.25.11
->> I wish they would do something like that around here. I would like the opportunity to learn from some of the best... In person.
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Brad Mangin, Photographer
Pleasanton | CA | USA | Posted: 1:15 AM on 02.25.11
->> Robby- unfortunately an event like this will rarely- if ever- come to a smaller market like where you live. I promise you that if you ever saved your money for a workshop like this your career and pictures would be advanced tremendously. This is a rough profession and sometimes you need to bite the bullet to take advantage of an amazing opportunity like this.
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Mike Doran, Photographer
Petaluma | CA | U.S.A. | Posted: 1:47 AM on 02.25.11
->> There's a workshop I would love to go to but alas I cannot as the elevation is too high. My congenital heart condition limits me to 4200 ft. any higher and I get altitude sickness which sucks.
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Dave Prelosky, Photographer
Lower Burrell | Pa | US | Posted: 1:49 AM on 02.25.11
->> Robby - Take Brad's advice to heart. I wish I would have known there were workshops like this when I was your age.
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Daniel Goncalves, Photographer
Jacksonville | FL | USA | Posted: 1:56 AM on 02.25.11
->> I agree Brad. Peter is awesome and this will be my first workshop ever. Can't wait. Will be a great week fully immersed with legends. Not sure what to expect but welcome all of the experiences to come that week.
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Luke Johnson, Photographer, Student/Intern
St.Petersburg | FL | USA | Posted: 8:31 AM on 02.25.11
->> I'm thinking one of these workshops need to come to the Tampa/St.Petersburg/Orlando Area.
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Craig Mitchelldyer, Photographer, Assistant
Portland | OR | USA | Posted: 9:35 AM on 02.25.11
->> Why do people always say "I wish x workshop would come to me?"

People, airfare is cheap, find a couple people to room with and go! Not just this workshop, but any you like. I've taken workshops at Poynter in St Pete, SportsShooter in LA, NPPA in Seattle, etc etc. If that's where it is and you want to go...go. There is a reason (logistics, location of organizers etc) that is not is your market. Don't wait, go!
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Mike Janes, Photographer
Attica | NY | USA | Posted: 11:11 AM on 02.25.11
->> Craig - wish it was that easy for everyone, but it simply is not.

$1,500 for local vs. $2,500-3,000 total to fly to one can be a big difference. My last trip to Arizona for a week was $1,500, and I was trying to be cheap! So definitely can see that some just can't afford to do it, it's not as easy as just wanting to go and going for most people. Many of the best shops are on the west coast, for good reason, so it is a bit more difficult for east coast people.

Now, with that said it is well worth saving up and doing if possible. Always a good idea to keep a fund set aside for workshops like this to go every couple years or so and learn new things from the best in the business. Can do nothing but help your careers, so if you're one of the people who are looking at it and can't afford it - start saving if possible. Might be awhile before you get to do it, but when you do it's well worth. So plan ahead.
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Patrick Fallon, Student/Intern, Photographer
Columbia | MO | USA | Posted: 11:32 AM on 02.25.11
->> While I have not attended this workshop, I did attend the Southern Short Course in 2008 where Peter was one of the speakers. It was one of the best decisions I ever made as a photo student.

As Craig said, you have to go to them:

In my case, the SSC was perfectly timed with my spring break, so I flew from Missouri to North Carolina, shared a hotel with a few other photographers who I didn't know then, but now I still talk to on a regular basis - and made it happen.

I saved up a budget for the trip - that investment - has brought back more opportunity and work for me than that cost.

The SSC workshop that year had a fantastic lineup of photographers and editors. Since it was a smaller event, every night it was possible to get critiques from 4 or 5 of them, different viewpoints, thoughts and ideas.

I ended up meeting Peter, he looked at my work, gave me some good advice and we realized that I lived back in California only a few minutes away from him. Since then I've been able to assist Peter on shoots for SI and continue learning more from him. While this may be a bit of a unique situation, there are some things that everyone can take away from a workshop like this.

One of the best things about working with and learning from Peter as a teacher is how he treats those around him - he is respectful and encouraging, never "holier than thou" - but honest.

His presentation of work is not the variety where you feel like "you can never shoot this" - but rather its about hard work and dedication. Thinking differently and being meticulous with each image. On portrait shoots he is able to put his subjects at ease with his attitude, something that shows in the pictures.

Robby:
*What you should try to do is figure out which workshop(s) you would like to attend - make a budget based on this years stuff for tuition, travel, food, etc. - then add 10%
*You save DAILY for this budget, get out the piggy banks and coin jars, figure out what you can give up. (Not an example for you perhaps, but others who don't get Starbucks 4 days a week could save $800)
*You pack your car with food (bread and Peanut Butter) and your gear and drive down there. Better yet, get a friend to go with you and split some of those costs.
*Denver is only 12 hrs from you in SD. You drive down there.
*You put every effort into making the most of the week shooting, an opportunity to build a whole new portfolio with close attention and advice.
*You wake up earlier than everyone else and shoot at sunrise looking for a feature or something (it can be non-sports), work late on your edits and get some rest before doing it all over again.
*Come back home, take a few days to rest, then get the energy level back up and shoot while thinking about what your editors said at the workshop.
Robby, I know you're already working very hard, so if you can't save it all this year, save it for next or the year later, the key thing is you want to start a separate savings account - note it as a "professional development fund" - and don't let anyone touch it. Every time you go to buy something (for me, sodas) I say nope, then put that dollar back in my pocket and deposit it back in that fund.

For those looking for other workshops, maybe something closer to home, here are some other suggestions (both sports and PJ):
http://www.mophotoworkshop.org/ - Missouri
http://mountainworkshops.org - Kentucky
http://www.eddieadamsworkshop.com/ - NY
http://www.southernshortcourse.org/ - NC/SC
http://www.photojournalism.org/ - Atlanta
http://www.northernshortcourse.com/ - RI
http://nppa.org/professional_development/workshops_and_seminars/NewsVideo_w.../ - Oklahoma
http://www.advancedstorytellingworkshop.com/ - Texas
http://sportsshooteracademy.com/ - CA
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Craig Mitchelldyer, Photographer, Assistant
Portland | OR | USA | Posted: 11:43 AM on 02.25.11
->> "wish it was that easy for everyone, but it simply is not. "


What is your continued education worth? Professional photographers should put in an annual budget money for workshops and events. I know going cross country isn't cheap, but neither is being a business.
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Patrick Murphy-Racey, Photographer
Powell | TN | USA | Posted: 12:21 PM on 02.25.11
->> Peter has helped me in ways I can't even describe since meeting him at Clarkson's workshop back in 1991. Getting to spend time with a great photographer when there is time to talk, learn, ask questions, and have them look at your work in a relaxed atmosphere is invaluable.

Peter has earned the respect of many in our business with his consistently excellent work in sports action, feature, PJ, and especially with his lighting expertise at shooting athlete environmental portraits.

I've been lucky enough to assist for him through the years and doing that is great and you learn things, but it's stressful, everything is in a hurry, and there is no time to debrief and find out what was going on in his head during the shoot.

Last, there are many workshops to go to that will help you get better at your craft, but Peter's offers something really unique: He's really funny, brilliant, and entertaining, all the while you learn from the master. So, if you consider this one, also consider that you will be entertained in addition to learning a ton of stuff you can't learn from books, YouTube, or any other way... pm-r
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Jeff Kowalsky, Photographer
West Bloomfield | MI | United States | Posted: 12:38 PM on 02.25.11
->> I had the opportunity to assist PRM on a shoot in Hawaii many years ago. It is amazing how much I learned watching him for only a few hours.

What I learned from him was beyond technical skills, which his are amazing. I observed how he was able to get a subject that was uncooperative at first to get relaxed in a short period of time and do what it took to make a cool photo as the sun was setting.

This was in the days of film and it was interesting hearing him call SI and talking to the person who seemed to know all of the flights to figure out the fastest way to get the film back to NYC to make deadline.
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Mike Janes, Photographer
Attica | NY | USA | Posted: 6:27 PM on 02.25.11
->> "neither is being a business."

Neither is paying a mortgage, raising kids, car payments, college loans, saving for your kids college, retirement, health care, etc. etc. etc. There's a lot of variables for photographers or anyone in business for themselves. Hell this is the first time I'd be able to afford it - last year would of been stretching it, but this year could (and might). The previous years was a no way it could be done, absolutely zero chance because of different variables.

I'm not saying a continuing education is not worth it, we all know it is well worth it and when you can learn from PRM and the others lined up any photographer should be drooling at the chance. However, there's a few making it sound like everyone has the means to do it and should just stop being cheap - just pay it and go. That's not the case for many photographers, least ones I know, some just hope to have a job next month or enough for rent. That's a whole different debate all it's own. My only message is if you're one of these people who can't right now start putting it aside, save up, plan ahead on doing one every few years to learn and expand.
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Paul Alesse, Photographer
Centereach | NY | USA | Posted: 7:06 PM on 02.25.11
->> I would take the workshop just to hope I'd become important enough to make the blog on FYSS.com
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David G. McIntyre, Photographer
Beijing | . | CHINA | Posted: 9:41 PM on 02.25.11
->> I agree with Patrick, and was at Clarckson's workshop in 1991 and was greatly impressed by him.

One workshop I try to go to every year (even thought I have to fly from Hong Kong to attend) is:
http://swpjc.org/


You come away with new ideas, they speak your language, and stay connected to others who have similar callings so we can
encourage, learn and challenge each other in our craft.
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Andrew Fielding, Photographer, Student/Intern
Denver | CO | USA | Posted: 2:15 AM on 02.26.11
->> Looks like a great workshop. If I didn't have to miss a whole week of classes to attend I'd most definitely do it, especially since it is extremely close to me.
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Dio Dipasupil, Photographer
New York | NY | USA | Posted: 9:23 AM on 02.26.11
->> I attended Peter's workshop in 2008 and it was by far the best money I've ever invested in my career. Although I don't shoot sports as much these days, the lessons I learned that week were priceless and applicable to any type of photography. Would love to attend again. Highly recommended. FYI: http://bit.ly/ghHwiC
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Paul Stackhouse, Photographer
Cary | NC | USA | Posted: 2:03 PM on 02.27.11
->> I attended the workshop a few years ago and it is well worth it. Not only do you learn from Peter, but also Max and Grant. All three of them are great guys, terrific teachers and fun to be around. You get to shoot a lot and if you use Canon, you have access to some great equipment.
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Tony Leon, Photographer
Whittier | CA | United States | Posted: 10:25 PM on 02.27.11
->> Having seen presentations by Peter Read Miller, at various different speaking engagements. Working with him side by side at the Rich Clarkson Sports Photography Workshop in 1991 was a paramount moment in my career.
It was a week long workshop that taught me more than 2 full years of Photojournalism school ever did. I was a sophomore in college at the time.

I do believe that Mr. Pat Murphy-Racey was also a workshop attendee.
figuring out the costs of the workshop in '91 to todays costs, I would say, comparable.

A little memento from that week in Los Angeles.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/actionfoto/2723553308/
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Michael Fischer, Photographer
Spencer | Ia | USA | Posted: 9:44 AM on 02.28.11
->> You can reduce the travel cost by being a smart shopper. If you understand how to use priceline, you can get a room significantly cheaper than the event rate at or near the hotel. Then share the room with someone. Don't eat all your meals at the site, find a grocery store

Airfares are UP, but you can shop early and look for fares in L-U-T class, those are usually your best bet in the legacy airline classes, don't forget the LLC airlines like SW.

My credit cards are travel rewards based for the most part so I can use them for situations like this.

You can travel for cheap. Just don't pay full retail.

Michael
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Aaron Babcock, Photographer, Photo Editor
Lincoln | NE | | Posted: 4:25 PM on 02.28.11
->> For those that have attended, thanks for sharing. I've been trying to decide whether or not to go. I think I'm going to pull the trigger.
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