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Shooting professional sports
John Pena, Photographer, Assistant
Piscataway | NJ | USA | Posted: 5:52 PM on 01.24.11
->> I was wondering how one gets their start in shooting for professional sports leagues like the NFL, NBA, MLB, etc..? I know that it helps to be affiliated with a publication but I would mostly be doing this as a freelancer for local teams since my day job is in engineering. Any advice is much appreciated, thanks.
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Andrew Link, Photo Editor, Photographer
Winona | MN | USA | Posted: 6:08 PM on 01.24.11
->> John, I wish I could help, but I'm stuck shooting high school and small college sports...

I can't wait to see how this turns out... :-D
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Rich Schultz, Photographer
Stewartsville | NJ | USA | Posted: 6:12 PM on 01.24.11
->> Must we go down this road again?
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Jason Heffran, Photographer
Tarentum | PA | United States | Posted: 6:16 PM on 01.24.11
->> I'll try and save you a little work...

http://www.sportsshooter.com/message_display.html?tid=37247

Hopefully, my original post will be relevant to you.
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Rich Schultz, Photographer
Stewartsville | NJ | USA | Posted: 6:19 PM on 01.24.11
->> John,
Name a profession where one starts at the top, with no experience, and does it in his free time? There are thousands of talented hard working professional photojournalists who have been doing there craft for years, who have never sniffed pro sports. Work full time for the next ten years and then you can ask this question. Of coarse by then you will know enough NOT to ask this question.
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John Pena, Photographer, Assistant
Piscataway | NJ | USA | Posted: 6:33 PM on 01.24.11
->> Rich, in all due respect it was a legitimate question and you didn't have to attack me like that. Sorry for being young and ignorant but I do understand that it's a hard area to break into but it's not like I just picked up a camera and decided that I want to be a professional photographer. I also know that everyone starts somewhere and that's all I was asking: "how people get their start in it".

Shooting sports is something that I've enjoyed at the collegiate level. I was just looking for a way to continue it since I lost my eligibility to shoot for the college paper once I graduated. Though I may not have the years of experience as you, I can assure you I share the same passion for photography.
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Scott Serio, Photo Editor, Photographer
Colora | MD | USA | Posted: 6:33 PM on 01.24.11
->> There should be a sign like they have at those industrial plants....

IT HAS BEEN ____ DAYS SINCE A "HOW DO I GET STARTED IN/GET A CREDENTIAL FOR PROFESSIONAL SPORTS" THREAD RESULTING IN PERSONAL OR MENTAL INJURY.

The sad part is that while his sports shooting needs work, overall John has a nice eye, nice sense of composition and looks young and eager to learn. Before the bashing starts, John, can you tell us a little bit more. It appears you may have just graduated from college and are looking to take the next step.

You will be told on here to respect your elders, be humble, listen and learn. You will also be told to do some research on you own as there are some great resources on SS.com.

I would start by giving people a little more background so the working daily photographers on here can differentiate someone who is young and just graduated from some 55-yo GWC who just wants a credential to be on the sidelines of a pro game.

Just my opinion...and good luck, your have some nice stuff on you site.
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Dave Breen, Photographer
Somerset | PA | USA | Posted: 6:35 PM on 01.24.11
->> Rich -- John is not asking how to start at the top, etc, etc. Yes, it's an oft-asked question, but a quick check of his page shows he's a new member.

John -- This is one of those questions that's guaranteed to get some hostile replies. Do what Jason suggested -- search the message board for answers.
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Scott Serio, Photo Editor, Photographer
Colora | MD | USA | Posted: 6:35 PM on 01.24.11
->> Dammm...in the time it took me to write a response....
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G.J. McCarthy, Photographer
Dallas | TX | US | Posted: 6:41 PM on 01.24.11
->> [sighs]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4DVAsmrwdtQ
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John Pena, Photographer, Assistant
Piscataway | NJ | USA | Posted: 6:44 PM on 01.24.11
->> Scott -- thank you for your response. I apologize for bringing this topic up, it's just something that I've wondered about. Not expecting a quick start into it - like anything I know that you can't just walk in there and do it. It takes many years of hard work and dedication. It's just that coming from an engineering background and working in engineering (with heavy photography on the side) I know that chances are I'll probably won't be able to accomplish this. Just wanted advice on how to get there little by little but I'll take a look at the message boards.
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Chuck Liddy, Photographer
Durham | NC | USA | Posted: 6:50 PM on 01.24.11
->> Man, I'm glad I'm heavily sedated on percoset....
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Rich Schultz, Photographer
Stewartsville | NJ | USA | Posted: 7:10 PM on 01.24.11
->> John,
I apologize if my response came across as an attack. It's just that the question you asked has been asked so often. If you were to poll each photographer on SportsShooter they will tell you that many people out of the profession feel that they can do our job. We have all had years of education and years of experience on the job. We take pride in our craft and are very protective of it. It's just that when a "newbie" asks how to get a job shooting for a pro team or league, it becomes a little irritating. You should seek out an internship or start at a weekly. You can't just come out of college and start at the the New York Yankees or the New York Times.
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Butch Miller, Photographer
Lock Haven | PA | USA | Posted: 7:37 PM on 01.24.11
->> ... Chuck is left speechless? ... wow ...

I agree that the question does get asked often ... however ... when an honest question is asked by a new member it shouldn't be considered a signal to call all hands to battle stations either ....

It's a legitimate question for someone new to the field ... you don't think recent graduates ever ask how they can get a job with the top engineering firms in the country? I would hope the top engineers in their fields wouldn't become "irritated" or threatened because someone new to the field asks a simple question ...

Is the OP supposed to ask the produce manager at the local super market for advice ... or those who actually shoot pro sports? ...

We shouldn't shouldn't be offended by the mere fact a question was posed ... nor should we insult him by not answering the question or not pointing them in the right direction ... after all, in this case, he did ask how to make the start ... not where to pick up his credential ... or the infamous "I own a 400 f/2.8 so someone OWES me a pass for the Super Bowl attitude ... like some others have done ...

John, the key is access ... and to get that access, you have to have an affiliation with a bona fide publication ... even if you are freelance you have to build that connection. This can take considerable time ... or in some cases dumb luck and being in the right place at the right time ... John is correct in that seeking an internship or picking up a part time gig shooting high school and/or college sports nights and weekends can help you move up the food chain ... if you are persistent, hone you skills and make the proper connections, in time you can make it where you want to be .... be forewarned though, working the sidelines at pro events isn't as glamourous as it looks ....
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David Harpe, Photographer
Denver | CO | USA | Posted: 7:43 PM on 01.24.11
->> The line is 22 hours on how long it takes this thread to get to 50 posts. Side bets include the number of Chuck posts and total number of "inappropriates" tallied to the OP at the end of it...
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Eric Canha, Photographer
Brockton | MA | United States | Posted: 7:50 PM on 01.24.11
->> Chuck check my FB post.... that WAS before I read this..... Too funny.
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George Bridges, Photographer, Photo Editor
Washington | DC | USA | Posted: 8:03 PM on 01.24.11
->> John,

Do a few searches on these boards and you will find that question asked multiple times (hence the exasperation some have shown)

Read through them and you will find a lot of harsh realities, a lot of unwarranted (but some warranted) attacks, but also some good nuggets of information you can use to advance your career to where you want it to go.
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Armando Solares, Photographer
Englewood | FL | USA | Posted: 8:10 PM on 01.24.11
->> John,

I know you want to shoot, but you may want to assist a photographer that regularly shoots Pro sports. Then you can go from there.
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David Manning, Photographer
Athens | GA | | Posted: 8:27 PM on 01.24.11
->> There is no "easy" answer to the road to pro sports. Its a mix of a lot of things: hard work, tenacity, experience, being able to make a pro-sports-level frame and networking. You've got your newspaper shooters, you've got your wire shooters and you've got your spec shooters. They all busted their ass to get where they are.

I would start out trying to assist and learn the craft that way. Its much like that of being a professional athlete working their way up - very few make it.
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Ric Tapia, Photographer, Photo Editor
Los Angeles | CA | USA | Posted: 8:42 PM on 01.24.11
->> "I was wondering how one gets their start in shooting for professional sports leagues like the NFL, NBA, MLB, etc..?"
Have a GREAT portfolio and work for someone who will pay YOU to photograph the sporting event.

"I know that it helps to be affiliated with a publication but I would mostly be doing this as a freelancer for local teams since my day job is in engineering."
It is impossible to photograph a professional sporting event as a "freelancer" PERIOD.

"Any advice is much appreciated, thanks."
You are welcome.
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Lane Hickenbottom, Photographer
Omaha | NE | usa | Posted: 9:08 PM on 01.24.11
->> "It is impossible to photograph a professional sporting event as a "freelancer" PERIOD."

Are you sure?
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Ric Tapia, Photographer, Photo Editor
Los Angeles | CA | USA | Posted: 9:13 PM on 01.24.11
->> Lane,
What Professional Sporting Events are you shooting as a total freelancer?
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Lane Hickenbottom, Photographer
Omaha | NE | usa | Posted: 9:15 PM on 01.24.11
->> I'm certainly no authority as I haven't shot many professional sporting events. Though at the few I did, I met folks who were freelancing for various publications working the game.
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Ric Tapia, Photographer, Photo Editor
Los Angeles | CA | USA | Posted: 9:19 PM on 01.24.11
->> Lane,
"...for various publications working the game."
Working for a credited organization is different than from calling up a team to get a credential as a "freelancer."
That is my point.
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Mark J. Terrill, Photographer
Simi Valley | CA | USA | Posted: 9:20 PM on 01.24.11
->> What Butch said. It is a legitimate question and there is no reason to bash someone and alienate them for asking it. Just refer them to one of the many other threads on the subject and leave it at that.

Pro sports isn't something that you really work your way up to. I was shooting pro sports from the beginning of my career. That doesn't mean that I was good at it. It depends on your proximity to a team and who you're working for.

As I approach 30 years of this, I can tell you that shooting college sports and even high school is more fun and more interesting to shoot than pro. If your motive is to have fun and make great pictures, look everywhere not just pro.
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Brian Blanco, Photographer
Tampa / Sarasota | FL | USA | Posted: 9:34 PM on 01.24.11
->> John,

The 4th post in the thread, the one by Jason Heffran, is a great first start. Jason gave you a very valuable link to a post of his a few months back that, quite frankly, should be required reading for aspiring photographers (particularly aspiring sports photographers).

In the first post of the thread, Jason selflessly and honestly outlines some of the mistakes he made when trying to break into the industry. Jason's mistakes are common and his experience is not at all unique, as I see people (not just young/new photographers either) make those same mistakes every day.

I'm not suggesting that you'd make those same mistakes, but it can't hurt to read his post, re-read it and maybe even print it out and carry it around in your camera bag (ok, maybe I'm going too far now but it really was a great post).

Also, like has been mentioned, you could always try to freelance for a local paper or contact a professional in your area whose work you admire and see about assisting him/her or asking if they'll mentor you.

Last, you may want to adopt the manta, "Make the big time where you are." - Rod Mar

Rod's advice is always sound and this particular message of his should be embroidered on a monopod pad.

Oh, and since we're on the subject of advice, you may want to be a little leery of some of the advice you see on this, or any other, message board. If someone is giving you advice (myself included), try to dig around a little and find out who they are, what they do and how they do it, then make a determination about how much weight you'll give that advice. You may find that sometimes there are 'serial-posters' on the internet that should read more and type less.

Good luck.
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Lane Hickenbottom, Photographer
Omaha | NE | usa | Posted: 9:41 PM on 01.24.11
->> "Oh, and since we're on the subject of advice, you may want to be a little leery of some of the advice you see on this, or any other, message board. If someone is giving you advice ......make a determination about how much weight you'll give that advice. You may find that sometimes there are 'serial-posters' on the internet that should read more and type less."

If this was a typical forum, this message should be a "sticky". Well said.
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John Pena, Photographer, Assistant
Piscataway | NJ | USA | Posted: 9:52 PM on 01.24.11
->> I really appreciate all the responses and emails from this thread. Again, I apologize for bringing this topic up again - being a new member here I didn't realize that it was one of those topics that has led to heated discussion before..

To clarify, I have shot at the high school level and throughout college. This is not a case of "person gets camera, person thinks he/she is a professional". I definitely don't think it's easy trying to break into shooting sports professionally which is why I even asked. It's just that being in a completely different profession, I know that I would have a harder time than most even trying to accomplish this. That's why I asked about "freelance" opportunities which would suit my particular situation and reading the responses I have a better idea of what I can expect and the route I'd need to take. Thank you all.
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TD Paulius, Photographer
Orland Park | IL | USA | Posted: 10:15 PM on 01.24.11
->> John: Your work as displayed on your website is very good. You are obviously successful at what you do, even though you may consider it not professional because it appears to be only Rutgers. If that is your motiviation you are of the wrong mindset. You are good at what you do. What is the difference between what you shoot now and the NFL? Because it is the NFL, will you move those images at a higher cost? Search Robert Seale on these message boards and read his posts about pro sports not being at all a godsend.

Engineers have a better promise in the job market of today and tomorrow.
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Steve Ueckert, Photographer
Houston | TX | | Posted: 10:42 PM on 01.24.11
->> Chuck, you wrote:
" Man, I'm glad I'm heavily sedated on percoset...."

Several here are glad as well. : /)

Get well soon.

One more closer to #50....
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John Pena, Photographer, Assistant
Piscataway | NJ | USA | Posted: 10:54 PM on 01.24.11
->> TD,

Thanks for your response, really appreciate it and the comments on my work. Reason I was only able to shoot sports was because I was a student photographer for the college paper - lost that eligibility once I graduated. I just want to be able to continue shooting sports but without any affiliation with a paper or wire, it's hard to be able to do that. Shooting an NFL game is just something that I'd like to be able to try out. Will look up Robert, thanks again.
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Clark Brooks, Photo Editor, Photographer
Urbana | IL | USA | Posted: 11:19 PM on 01.24.11
->> John:

Here are 6 additional threads that initially started with the question similar to yours. I recommend you read them as well to further your 'indoctrination' into world of professional sports photography as well as the sportsshooter community.

http://www.sportsshooter.com/message_display.html?tid=36804
http://www.sportsshooter.com/message_display.html?tid=36890
http://www.sportsshooter.com/message_display.html?tid=33761
http://www.sportsshooter.com/message_display.html?tid=37183
http://www.sportsshooter.com/message_display.html?tid=37141
http://www.sportsshooter.com/message_display.html?tid=37280

My advice is don't thumb your nose at high school and even small collegiate sports. If you truly love shooting sports you will find this level far more rewarding, the audience for your work more appreciative and the ability/access to do some really cool, creative work far easier than you may have the opportunity to do at the professional sports level. My 2 cents, FWIW. Best wishes and welcome to SS.
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John Pena, Photographer, Assistant
Piscataway | NJ | USA | Posted: 11:24 PM on 01.24.11
->> Thanks Clark, much appreciated!
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Israel Shirk, Photographer, Assistant
Boise | ID | US | Posted: 12:24 AM on 01.25.11
->> Generally, pro athletes are just grown-up high school athletes. Can't think of any exceptions to the rule, if anyone knows of one, fire away. :)

You have better opportunities and usually better pay shooting high-school and college, especially in the sports that no one else is shooting - wrestling, cross country/track, etc. You get to shoot the same kids that will go pro in 4 years, only you have better access, don't have to take as much junk from security, and often there will be people who like that you're present!

Sometimes I wonder if the plethora of interest in shooting pro sports comes from the incredible images that a very few photographers produce, such as the SI team. Let me just say this: look at what they produce at a high school game. Compare your images to theirs. You might be good (I would not rank myself as such), but guys like that are the ones that deserve to be shooting pro sports and to be paid very well for doing so. Not people like me, who would only dilute the talent pool and decrease the expectation of clients - that is simply harmful for the industry. You can judge where you're at in that spectrum.

So, that said, I've recently resigned myself to either shooting sports (A) for myself to develop, or (B) for clients who are willing to pay market rates. I'm making a living from shooting weddings, portraits, and have now started doing web programming for ad agencies. I'm a lot more satisfied with my shooting (and life in general) now that I'm shooting for me and not one of those mythical well-paying clients. I can take a whole game and work on learning something new, trying to solve a problem, and just improving in general. And no one is upset when I miss a shot. It's a nice place to be.

If at some point you or I develop ourselves to the extent that we can command the rates necessary to make a living, or find a niche market, or some other way into the business which does not involve undercutting, that's great! But I'm not waiting on that, I've gotta enjoy my life and be happy with where I'm at right now.
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Armando Solares, Photographer
Englewood | FL | USA | Posted: 1:13 AM on 01.25.11
->> Please, whatever you do. Don't shoot/work for free. Needs to be said, always.
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Mark Loundy, Photo Editor
San Jose | CA | USA | Posted: 3:09 AM on 01.25.11
->> John,

Stop apologizing. The first hurdle to clear is not letting the crusty old salts get to you. It's almost like an initiation.

Learn the business side. Read John Harrington's book, "Best Business Practices For Photographers." (Disclaimer: I was the technical editor.) Read all of Rick Rickman's articles in the SportShooter Newsletter. Read my "Common Cents" column in News Photographer Magazine or at
http://www.loundy.org/commoncents/

Good luck.

--Mark
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Andrew Malana, Photographer
San Diego/Tokyo | CA | USA | Posted: 3:38 AM on 01.25.11
->> John... I am going to put my take here...it may be a bit different approach, but something I am now working on to becoming a better photographer.

Learn lighting and wait for the opportunity to shoot sports at its highest level. When I started, I too wanted to shoot sports action but soon after attending a few Sportshooter Luaus, Sports Photography Workshop and one of the original SSA (Sports Shooter Academy) students, I learned from Dave Black, Joey Terrill, Robert Seale and Robert Deutch...lighting, both studio and environmental will make 'better' images than sports action...Sports action from the likes of Brad Mangin and others is that one must learn to shoot action INCLUDING the backgrounds. Of course you can capture the defining moment, but if the background looks distracting, then that will take away from the image.

Perhaps attend the Lighting Workshop Robert Hanashiro has here on SS...Work on that craft and perhaps one day someone will ask you to shoot the top stars of ALL the world's sports. Establish and foster those and your photography will grow exponentially.

Also, as Mark Loundy posted above me, learn too the business aspect. Together with able to light will take you farther than shooting a game on spec IMHO.

Just my take adding another angle on how to provide a meaningful answer to your post.
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Perry Knotts, Assistant, Photographer
Saint Augustine | FL | United States | Posted: 8:39 AM on 01.25.11
->> John,

Just because you graduated from college doesn't mean your eligibility is lost. For the school paper yes, the college no.

Once I graduated I had a strong relationship with the head of our alumni magazine, athletic director, and others at my college. Those relationships opened the door for me to receive paid assignments for sporting events, speaking engagements, and many other events.

Keep pushing and good luck!
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David A. Cantor, Photographer, Photo Editor
Toledo | OH | USA | Posted: 9:27 AM on 01.25.11
->> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oPh59jOoiEs
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Robby Gallagher, Student/Intern, Photo Editor
Brookings | SD | USA | Posted: 11:32 AM on 01.25.11
->> There are going to be times when you feel you have asked a stupid question. There are going to be times when you feel like many people, if not everyone, is making fun of you for asking that question. You may have caused a heated discussion, as did I on multiple occasions. What you will notice though, is that amongst all the rude comments, you get those people who will give you the response you are looking for.

Sometimes the questions are going to sound stupid to those who are going to answer it. That is just how it is. But you are going to get those people who don't mind helping you out and they will. I know I have bashed this site one time or another because of the responses I have received from some of my posts. Develop a thick skin. Sometimes people are going to piss you off, so much that you e-mail them something nasty thinking it is going to make it all better. Trust me. It doesn't.

I was given some great advice while on this site. You will see many comments that don't help, many comments that discourage, but in the midst of all that is wrong with the post, you will usually find a lot of good information whether the posters intended for it to be there or not.

I have also learned that there are a few folks out there just trying to get in a laugh. I learned the hard way. I let it get to me. Don't let it get to you. Despite some of the comments, if you talk to these folks one on one, you will soon find out that they aren't as mean as they come off to be on some of these posts.

I am just giving some advice. I was new last year, I am still new as of right now. I say that because I now understand how the message boards work and why some of the people say what they do. I don't know if I will be a member anymore come February, just because of some financial problems that just popped up, but I would like to stay apart of this sight. So if you remember any of what I have said in this entire post, remember this... Don't let others get on your back and weigh you down. If you want something, fight for it.
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Brian Blanco, Photographer
Tampa / Sarasota | FL | USA | Posted: 11:42 AM on 01.25.11
->> Robby, don't leave over $25.00. In the last year your work has improved ten-fold. That's what the board is for.

If, come February, you can't swing the $25.00 shoot me an email.
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N. Scott Trimble, Photographer
Lake Oswego | OR | USA | Posted: 12:32 PM on 01.25.11
->> Hey, here's a brilliant idea, why don't we just put a quick guide on the front page for something like this rather than surf through the obscure returns that come up when you DO do a search. On the side in CONTENTS, just have a Most Covered topic for the forums or something???

Maybe that way newbies won't be attacked so much. C'mon guys, I've seen some dumb questions pop up, we all have, but that doesn't mean we have to be a-holes to those who are new, excited, and are full of questions. Remember, this forum allows us to teach and advise, which ultimately serves OUR interests as we level the playing field with PROS.

Act like one. I am tired of seeing someone ask a good question at the RIGHT place and get slammed.

And what Mark and Armando said, always sage advice.

Develop your style, harness your passion, take control of knowing the business of photography, copyright, and negotiation. Ultimately, when those are mastered, sports, advertising, whatever, will happen.
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G.J. McCarthy, Photographer
Dallas | TX | US | Posted: 12:48 PM on 01.25.11
->> John Pena et al:

Good ol' Terrill, guilting me in to making a serious reply to what was a genuine -- albeit oft asked -- question.

And apologies if I repeat anything written previously. I only have time to skim the replies so far. Just dropped the bambino off at daycare and need to hustle and clean the house before work so my wife doesn't see what a dump I live in while she's at her office.

Ok. So you don't know me or my "life story," but basically, I came up the hard way. Studied very little photography in college (didn't pick up a camera until my first senior year (I had two). My first job was at a tiny paper. From there, I went to a bit bigger paper, and then totally lucked into a job at a large metro rag.

Like I said, I had very little experience when I graduated college. I had maybe shot like five or six sporting events for The Daily Texan, the college paper at UT-Austin. Couple of women's volleyball games, a couple basketball games, and maybe two football games. I sucked at all of them.

But, I had some images in my pocket when I graduated. Not much, but a little something to show I could at least follow a moving ball.

My first job -- The Paris (Texas) News -- was a baptism in fire. Lots and lots of prep sports; I did a TON of learning on the fly, mostly through trial and error (and more of the latter than the former). Shot a little junior college action, too.

So my next job after that was at the Columbia (MO) Daily Tribune. Not only was I expected to shoot prep, but D1 college in the Big XII. Did I have anything like that in my portfolio? Nope, but I at least had some images that showed the editor I could maybe learn to handle it. Call it "showing promise," if you like.

And now my current job at The Dallas Morning News -- I'm expected to shoot prep, college and pro sports. Did I have any of the latter in my portfolio when I applied? Again, not a one, but I guess I showed promise.

So I guess my point is, for some people -- such as myself -- you just have to keep working your way up; plugging away, nose to the grindstone, etc. To my mind you'll be better for it -- you'll better appreciate the big opportunities when they come because you've roots in the smaller stuff. Like Rod Mar is fond of saying (and I'm probably paraphrasing), "make the big time where you are."

All that said, I have no idea what your motivations are for wanting to get into the big time. Is it fun? Sure, some times. It's a lot of work, though, and you'll hear "no" more than you've ever heard in your life.

One last thing, and yes, this is preachy. Enjoy the small time stuff, man. It's way more pure. Two years ago I didn't shoot a single prep football game. Last year I shot one. And in other prep sports, probably no more than a dozen or so since I've been on staff here (June 2007).

Do I miss it? Absolutely. Every day. The access (at least around here) is amazing; the emotion powerful. Pro sports is definitely an adrenaline rush, but I think it lacks the honesty you get from younger athletes.

For what it's worth. From the little I skimmed, looks like you got some great advice from awesome people. Best of luck to you in your journey.

Cheers,

- gerry -

PS -- is it "Pena," or "Peña"? Just curious. Never seen the former spelling before.
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Tim Lester, Photographer
Edwards | IL | USA | Posted: 2:26 PM on 01.25.11
->> John,
I am in a similar situation like yourself, I spent a large amount of time reviewing images from SS members, SS forum posts and found a mentor in my area. While this helps, the business side is huge, you need to figure out what you need to charge for images for many different uses by clients and still make money. When you think you have all the pricing figured out, then someone will request to use an image in some different way that you never imagined. When you determine what your prices are, don't forget to price your work so you can live off that as a single income and pay all your bills including insurance.

Don't give images away for free or undercut the competition, I talked with numerous photographers in my area to assist me in setting of my prices. Could I charge less than half of their prices (or give away) without having their skills, I could but that would not help my success in the future. I have turned down more 'credit lines' than I can remember, including from a Big Ten school for a non-sports image for their department alum magazine and Facebook page. While the editor was not happy, she was understanding that I would not give away an image. This is very hard to do but something your peers will (hopefully) respect you for and hopefully help you in the future. When requesting credentials, I have heard 'no' more times than I would like but it's part of the learning process and it just makes me work harder.

I have a great deal to learn and I understand that fact, with time and hard work I will get to where I want to be. I don't dream of of being on the NFL sidelines but set your own goals and work hard, hopefully you can get where you want to be.

Tim
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