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any SS members get David Reed's 103 yard td?
Richard Quinton, Photographer
Pasadena | CA | USA | Posted: 2:11 AM on 12.14.10
->> I've cover David Reed's college career in Pasadena & Utah and was trying to get to that game but no luck with media passes. Any of those 2 on the right side or out in the endzone from SS...get some shots if his 103 yard touchdown tonight? Looks like Getty and AP didnt post any unless I'm missing something.
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Kevin M. Cox, Photographer, Assistant
Galveston & Houston | TX | US | Posted: 2:55 AM on 12.14.10
->> There were a good number of SportsShooter members at the Texans/Ravens game tonight. Unfortunately a lot of us were still in the workroom when the third quarter kicked off.

The halftime show was a large part of the problem by preventing any photographers from exiting the field until all players cleared the field and the entertainment cleared our tunnel. Normally we have unrestricted access. This delayed most of us from reaching the workroom at halftime by several minutes.

If you watch the replays you'll notice a very distinct lack of red vests on the sideline during his touchdown return. That said, there were several photogs down there and I'd imagine somebody here got the shot.

AP's David J. Phillip has a couple photos of the TD run on the wire. One of them is here:
http://yhoo.it/fdg0nt
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Richard Quinton, Photographer
Pasadena | CA | USA | Posted: 2:49 AM on 12.15.10
->> Wonder who the 3 photographers on the side of endzone where. It looks like AP, Getty, Pressire, Baltimore Sun etc don't have the diving shot. Another AP photo he's already on the ground. Thought the Texans had award winning media staff :/ no reply on our credential request maybe we should of tried some phone calls...or they're sticking with that no college passes unless special circumstances note.
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Brian Blanco, Photographer
Tampa / Sarasota | FL | USA | Posted: 5:31 AM on 12.15.10
->> Clearly a mistake was made and they should have issued you a credential Richard.

You would have nailed the shot right?

When you emailed the credential request (for Baltimore at Houston) did you explain to them that you're a shooter for Pasadena City College?

You didn't seriously use your first post ever on this site to basically call out all of the shooters at that game (even going so far as to single out the AP, Getty, Presswire and Baltimore Sun shooters) and essentially accuse them of being incompetent right?

Oh, and by the way, the Texans don't have "media staff". The ones you mockingly called "award winning" in an attempt to shame them for not having a shot that you felt they should have had.

...oh, and by the way, grammar is not overrated.
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George Bridges, Photographer, Photo Editor
Washington | DC | USA | Posted: 10:26 AM on 12.15.10
->> Richard,

As Kevin said, most of us were grabbing our gear to go back to the field when the second-half kickoff occurred (I know Kevin and I and the Sun photogs were). To have time to work at the half, I usually leave the field at the 2-minute-warning if a scoring opportunity doesn't look imminent, but we were blocked by the BMX stunt team's ramps and were not allowed out the tunnel.

That said, I can say that I probably would not have had much on the play. I generally work the receiving end of a kickoff so would have just had him for the first 5-10 yards of the run, usually not too exciting.

And those photographers you see on the replay (I'll take your word for it as I don't know what replay you are referring to) could be from anywhere. AP is the only organization with the staffing at most games to have an editor and runners and keep photographers on the field. As Kevin says, AP did post photos. Even if they had their photographers on the field it doesn't mean they were not blocked by players on the bench, referees, the ESPN camera guy with his two cable pullers and security guard (seriously, a security guard??) or players in on the action.

The Texans do let a lot of local, small publications into the games so just because you don't see photos posted online doesn't mean no one got the play.
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Thomas Campbell, Photographer
Houston | TX | USA | Posted: 10:31 AM on 12.15.10
->> Son, we live in a world that has deadlines, and those deadlines have to be met by men with computers. Who's gonna do it? You? You, Richard Quinton? I have a greater responsibility than you could possibly fathom. You weep for Josh Reed, and you curse the photographers transmitting halftime photos. You have that luxury. You have the luxury of not knowing what I know. That Reed;s return, while awesome, probably missed by every photographer that was not able to go to the media work room at halftime because of the halftime equipment. And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, transmits pictures. You don't want the truth because deep down in places you don't talk about at parties, you want me in that media room, you need me in that media room. We use words like photomechanic, caption, slow ethernet. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent documenting something. You use them as a punchline. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very pictures that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said thank you, and went on your way, Otherwise, I suggest you pick up a camera, and stand a post. Either way, I don't give a damn what you think you are entitled to.
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Bradley Leeb, Photographer
Champaign | IL | USA | Posted: 10:38 AM on 12.15.10
->> Thomas,

Best post...ever
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Brian Blanco, Photographer
Tampa / Sarasota | FL | USA | Posted: 10:44 AM on 12.15.10
->> I guess I'm just not as nice as George at 5:30 AM... nor am I nearly as funny as Thomas... great post Thomas.
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Byron Hetzler, Photographer
Granby | CO | USA | Posted: 12:49 PM on 12.15.10
->> Post of the year, Thomas!
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Doug Holleman, Photographer
Temple | TX | USA | Posted: 1:12 PM on 12.15.10
->> I think Richard was just asking if anybody got a shot of a player that he has an interest in (pardon the poor grammar there). If it was a scathing indictment of the entire sports photojournalism profession, please excuse my inferior skill in "reading between the lines."
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Andrew Link, Photo Editor, Photographer
Winona | MN | USA | Posted: 1:24 PM on 12.15.10
->> Doug, I think it was Richard calling out the Texans' shooters and other photographers there for not getting the diving shot that is ruffling some feathers...
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Louis Lopez, Photographer
Fontana | CA | USA | Posted: 1:26 PM on 12.15.10
->> Thomas Campbell's funny count should be well over 1000 by now. Funniest post ever.
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John H. Reid III, Photographer
Gates Mills | OH | USA | Posted: 1:54 PM on 12.15.10
->> Richard, from your member page I see that you live in Pasadena, California. This game was in Houston, Texas. Why would the Texans be granting a credential to Pasadena City College (if that's who made the request? I'm assuming so, as your post mentions the no college issue.) Was there a player from this school in the game? If so, was that made clear in the request? Was there another legitimate reason for your request? Even if all this were so, this was a Monday Night Game, which means loads of extra TV, so less chance of a smaller entity getting a credential. The reason for the vehemence in some of these posts, I believe, is that there have been a number of times over the years when people have made posts that seemed to question how anyone could have missed a given shot (the Phil Mickelson Masters victory being one.) Every single person on this site has missed a shot now and then. The reason why many could have missed this one have been well stated here. I'm fortunate that I don't have to go in and transmit during the game. I can't tell you the number of times I've been asked by friends at the game how a certain play looked, and I'll say, "You were inside transmitting, weren't you?" Yes is the answer almost always (referee in the way is another!) Everyone needs to be very careful about what they write. Try to look at it from an outsiders perspective and imagine what you might think if you were reading it, not writing it. You know what you meant, others might not see it the same way.
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John H. Reid III, Photographer
Gates Mills | OH | USA | Posted: 2:11 PM on 12.15.10
->> OK, I did a little research (which I should have done before posting) and see that David Reed, the player in question, attended Pasadena City College, the school Richard lists on his member page. It was probably a mistake for him to mix in a comment about the Texan's staff, as it likely led to some misunderstanding with respect to his post. I'll cut him some slack, as it is Christmas time and all that. It still applies to be very clear in what you post!
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Ross Dettman, Photographer
Bensenville | IL | USA | Posted: 2:58 PM on 12.15.10
->> Thomas,

That post was not funny.

It was hilarious.

If there is a "funniest post of the year on SS.com" award, you have my vote.

Just imagine Jack delivering your version of those classic lines ...
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George Bridges, Photographer, Photo Editor
Washington | DC | USA | Posted: 3:17 PM on 12.15.10
->> Doug,

I didn't see it as an indictment of journalism or people's abilities, I was merely giving some reasons (the key one being access was limited to get out so we had less halftime to work with) as to why he may not have seen the shot he wanted, plus why the photographers he saw may have not gotten the shot or he had not seen -- they could have been from smaller, local publications not normally searched on the web.

But my all-time favorite line on this subject comes from my mentor when an editor called to ask if he had a certain shot they had seen on TV:

"I wasn't watching TV, I was at the game"
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Richard Quinton, Photographer
Pasadena | CA | USA | Posted: 3:35 PM on 12.15.10
->> Sorry I did not mean to call out anyone being there missing it or any abilities, and should of left the companies out of it. I'm mainly trying to figure out who those where by the endzone. I know how the deadline process goes can't be at every minute especially when is blocked out of entering the room. As for my side of it yes if I was there and granted a pass I would of been capturing evey moment of it with a rental 400 down the field to endzone 70-200. From the start of it to breaking through the mess of players that couldn't tackle him to going into the endzone. So far all I have found is a basic running shot and already on the ground in endzone which I'm guessing was from some photog heading back out to the field. Back in 2006 I was granted a pass to the Chargers game and got a series of our other alum scoring a touchdown (which was called back due to a teammate penalty.)
http://www.baltimoreravens.com/media_library/Videos/2010/12/NFL_Network-_Da...
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Steven E. Frischling, Photographer
| | | Posted: 3:43 PM on 12.15.10
->> "if I was there and granted a pass I would of been capturing evey moment of it with a rental 400 down the field to endzone 70-200. From the start of it to breaking through the mess of players that couldn't tackle him to going into the endzone"


I have to ask this ... do you know how 'short' a 400mm is from the end zone? I shot the NFL for a number of years, as well as NCAA Div 1 football and the 400mm was my primary lens. I often had a 1.4x on it and found it to shoot when shooting from the end zone.

So you're in the opposing end zone, you catch him from behind as he gets the ball, he breaks the tackles, but you have the tackle at about 35% of your frame with the back sides of the Texans primarily. He dives into the end zone and now he's around 10% of your frame (or less) and most of your frame is blocked by the Texas he left in his dust.

So tell me what you plan is again?
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Scott Serio, Photo Editor, Photographer
Colora | MD | USA | Posted: 3:44 PM on 12.15.10
->> Really? OMG. Really? I am just going to sit back and watch now. After the b**** slapping you have already taken over this, THAT is your comeback? You are about to get more of an education on professionalism in photojournalism than you could even learn in what I am sure will be "the 5 year program" for you at Pasadena City College. You and Robby G need to start your own wire service.
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Scott Serio, Photo Editor, Photographer
Colora | MD | USA | Posted: 3:45 PM on 12.15.10
->> Oh...and...

+1 for Thomas Campbell getting the SS version of an Emmy from the "Best Comedic Performace in a SS Response" category for 2010.
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Steven E. Frischling, Photographer
| | | Posted: 3:46 PM on 12.15.10
->> Richard,

Since you think you'd never miss a play I leave you with this ... I once missed a spectacular touch down play by Tom Brady at Gillette Stadium because I had to go to the lavatory.

I didn't plan it ... but it happens.
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Richard Quinton, Photographer
Pasadena | CA | USA | Posted: 3:49 PM on 12.15.10
->> 400 would of been better with being stuck with 200 I've used most of this season being on a budget. He was the player I would of been supposed to cover. When Utah came to the Poinsetta Bowl for his final college game I was getting every play he was in.
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Kent Nishimura, Student/Intern, Photographer
Honolulu | HI | USA | Posted: 3:51 PM on 12.15.10
->> wouldn't it just have been easier to ask:

"Dear ss.com members...i noticed a couple shooters in the endzone of David Reed's 103 Yard kick off return...any chance that it was you? Anyone nail that shot of him diving into the endzone?"

simple question.

i guess when asking questions even the K.I.S.S. rule applies eh?
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Kent Nishimura, Student/Intern, Photographer
Honolulu | HI | USA | Posted: 3:58 PM on 12.15.10
->> fish! shame on your bladder! >:[

i've missed great scenes in movies not to mention opportunities for photographs because i had to make tinkle.

it happens to everyone.
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Brian Blanco, Photographer
Tampa / Sarasota | FL | USA | Posted: 4:16 PM on 12.15.10
->> Richard,

By the way, don't worry too much about me and a couple of the others busting your chops over this post. One, poorly-worded, post does not a reputation make.

Good luck, happy shooting and welcome to SportsShooter. Don't be afraid to ask well thought-out questions and keep an eye out for that Liddy character.

-Blanco
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Brian Blanco, Photographer
Tampa / Sarasota | FL | USA | Posted: 4:27 PM on 12.15.10
->> "As for my side of it yes if I was there and granted a pass I would of been capturing evey moment of it with a rental 400 down the field to endzone 70-200. From the start of it to breaking through the mess of players that couldn't tackle him to going into the endzone." -Richard Quniton, 2010

Richard,

Scratch my last post... I wrote it before reading the gem of a quote from your post above.

Seriously man? You're that good? You may not need any advice. Will you be speaking at the next luau?
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Dominick Reuter, Photographer
Cambridge | MA | USA | Posted: 4:33 PM on 12.15.10
->> Apart from a 103-yard run, who is David Reed, and why is he important? Why would the AP or anyone else (apart from PCC) make special arrangements to cover his every move like Barry Bonds going for 756?
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Michael Granse, Photographer
Urbana | IL | USA | Posted: 4:47 PM on 12.15.10
->> Richard, even if you have the rental 400mm and the 70-200mm on a second camera, everything dialed in just right, and THEN the player you are there to photograph does something spectacular while running right at you there is still no guarantee that you would have gotten The Shot.

Sometimes, everything all comes together like that and The Shot is back focused because the AF sensor fell in love with the big sign on the opposite side of the field or it was motion blurred because your finger spun the shutter speed dial as you were lifting your second camera up to your face, or the video guy who was standing next to you ran three steps past the Media Line (it is a rule, not a force field) and right into your shot, or any other number of possibilities. We all miss shots for these and other reasons.***


*** If any of my clients ask if I have ever missed a shot I will absolutely deny it :)
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Mark Sobhani, Photographer
San Antonio | TX | USA | Posted: 4:52 PM on 12.15.10
->> FYI:
Would've = would have, not 'would of.'
Just a pet peeve of mine. Back to the original post:
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Doug Holleman, Photographer
Temple | TX | USA | Posted: 4:55 PM on 12.15.10
->> Dom, he did score on a 103 yard TD. If that's not newsworthy in the coverage of an NFL football game, I don't know what is. Seems like somebody might have gotten a shot of it. And I believe that was the original question that somehow induced a typical sportsshooter lynch mob.

If I'm not mistaken, press shooters are generally encouraged to try to get photos of any scores or key plays if they can, regardless of celebrity status of the player.
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Sam Morris, Photographer
Henderson (Las Vegas) | NV | USA | Posted: 4:57 PM on 12.15.10
->> http://www.pasadena.edu/divisions/english/
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Dominick Reuter, Photographer
Cambridge | MA | USA | Posted: 5:11 PM on 12.15.10
->> Doug, I understand the play was special. But If I'm not mistaken, press shooters are generally encouraged to try and get their photos in on time.

I know if I blew a transmission deadline because I was in the kicking team's end zone for the first run back of the second half, ninety nine times out of a hundred, I'd have some very unpleasant phone calls to answer.
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George Bridges, Photographer, Photo Editor
Washington | DC | USA | Posted: 5:18 PM on 12.15.10
->> Ummmmmmmmm.

Generally I try to not take any hits at folks on these boards and in a recent thread I came to the defense of the original poster, going against the comments of a couple friends of mine.

I could take this and pick it apart, but I'll simply say this:

Dude, you're on your own.
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Greg Honda, Photographer
Honolulu | HI | USA | Posted: 5:49 PM on 12.15.10
->> Common guys, the OP is obviously trolling you guys, he can't be serious! I think he's sitting back and laughing at everyone getting all worked up over this.
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Scott Serio, Photo Editor, Photographer
Colora | MD | USA | Posted: 6:20 PM on 12.15.10
->> In the immortal line from Animal House...sort of..."Wait 'til Liddy sees this, he'll LOVE this!!!!!"
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Jerome Davis, Photographer
Rochester | NY | USA | Posted: 6:40 PM on 12.15.10
->> Richard you could have just asked . . .


How much sports could a sports shooter shoot if a sports shooter could shoot sports?
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Richard Quinton, Photographer
Pasadena | CA | USA | Posted: 6:45 PM on 12.15.10
->> It's more annoying than anything else with all the ripping going on being for a few wrongly typed choice words, which there is no edit function on here to redo and I have posted an apology for. If you don't know who he is what the play was why even comment? Seriously need an edit or delete button.
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Richard Quinton, Photographer
Pasadena | CA | USA | Posted: 6:49 PM on 12.15.10
->> I noted award winning as they have an award winning media staff "For the third time in six years, the Texans won the Pete Rozelle Award for having the NFL's outstanding media relations staff."
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/fb/texansfront/7043015.html
I did not mean to call out those organizations in a bad way I just did not see the diving moment in their open access gallery.
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Scott Serio, Photo Editor, Photographer
Colora | MD | USA | Posted: 8:07 PM on 12.15.10
->> I think what bothers me about this thread and the one Robby G started is just the raw hubris. When I went to J-School, I had a mentor in Michael Bryant of the Philly Inquirer. I also had a little exposure to Jed Kirschbaum at the Baltimore Sun. To me, these guys were pretty much Gods. The images they made were amazing. Even though I thought I could shoot and, at times, was probably like a bull in a china shop, I still knew enough to respect my elders.

There are reasons that AP or Getty or SI or whoever send multiple shooters to big events. Why? Because no matter how many great shooters you have, you can still miss THE SHOT.

For Master Quinton to just hop on here and assume that all he needs is a budget, a 400 and a press credential is a little outrageous.

My suggestion Master Quinton - if you really want to get into photojournalism, get the heck out of Pasadena and get thee to a real photojournalism school. I am sure there are others, but the basic Top 3 have been Missouri, Ohio U. and Western Kentucky. There are many others, I think UCLA and Syracuse have been solid in the past. Who is "the top" always shifts a little too depending on who is teaching at the time.

What I can guarantee is this - once you stop being a big fish in a little pond and end up as a little fish in a big pond, your attitude and shooting skills will drastically change.

And BTW, in the spirit supporting your growth as a photojournalist...nah, I'll leave that alone. I'll say this, if you want an honest opinion and some insight into shooting better and seeing better, you might want to ask some of the SS members on here who didn't get THE SHOT you are looking for and see what they have to offer.
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Bruce Ely, Photographer
Portland | OR | USA | Posted: 8:31 PM on 12.15.10
->> What's the big deal? You guys think the photographers at that game have too big of an ego to be called out for missing a play? I doubt it. They even have good excuses for missing it. I have missed plenty of plays and didn't even have good excuses -- and I'm sure I'm not alone. It's part of shooting sports. No big deal.

Richard is probably right. He would have had a really nice series of pictures of that particular play. He would have been there ONLY to photograph 1 person. Doesn't seem like bragging or attempting to show anyone up.

Seems to me that Richard just made the mistake writing down what most may have been thinking if they were looking for pictures of particular play in a game. I think George Bridges summed it up well without taking everything so personally.

I will even spell somthing wrong so some of you will have more to complain about.
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Alexander Pylyshyn, Photographer, Student/Intern
Newmarket | ON | Canada | Posted: 8:37 PM on 12.15.10
->> Don't really have anything to contribute that hasn't already been said...

But I have to ask why Rob Gallagher (I'm assuming...correct me if I'm wrong) was brought up in this thread given that he has nothing to do with this and hasn't posted in response to the topic?

Going off topic here, I suppose. I just don't think Rob deserves to have his name brought up in a negative manner every time someone makes a thread like this.
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Jim Comeau, Photo Editor, Photographer
Los Angeles | CA | USA | Posted: 8:46 PM on 12.15.10
->> I was the inaugural SS member from Pasadena City College, so I guess I opened up Pandora's Jar. My apologies. :)

Richard, you were never one of my shooters when I was the photo editor there, but I would have loved to help you along your professional path. I'm surprised it took you this many years to join SS, but welcome regardless. Here is what I would have taught you then, but there's no time like the present, so here it goes:

Rich, you should already know that the camera does not make photographer. Even having the best gear in the world, with the best position on the field, with the best anticipation in the world, doesn't guarantee THE SHOT or any shot for that matter.

Secondly, please proofread prior to posting. If you're trying to build credibility as a journalist, you need to display the expected standards of journalism. This applies to written, broadcast, visual, internet, and any other form of journalism. Yes, an edit button would be nice sometimes, but sometimes you have to be writer, copy editor, and publisher all in the same role.

Additionally, access isn't guaranteed. These are private events. The host doesn't have to grant access to anyone. California Penal Code Section 409.5 doesn't apply here. Utilize professionalism when contacting teams for access. Even though we're in the 21st century, official letterhead and a properly addressed envelope go a long way. Also, follow up.

Again, I wish you the best of luck in your professional endeavors.
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George Bridges, Photographer, Photo Editor
Washington | DC | USA | Posted: 9:46 PM on 12.15.10
->> Frankly, this play means a lot to the original poster and his college and he would like to see images of the play. That is fine.

But, since my career has moved to editor first and shooter second I see a lot of this from the "other" side of things.

Sorry, but for most photographers, photo editors, and sports editors that play meant nothing. Zero. Nada. Hate to say it but it is true.

Had the game ended in regulation then that play would have been of a bit more interest. I mean, hey, a 103-yard play is not everyday. In this case, if I just had shots of him on the run back then I probably would not have moved anything on it. If I had the dive then maybe, but he was showboating so I may have edited it out just for that reason. There was not a defender he was leaping over.

But, the fact is, the game went to overtime. So, once that happens all that comes before is almost worthless. The photos of the game were of the pick-six that ended the game in the Ravens' favor. Sure, with online galleries more photos are shown and that one would have made the Baltimore Sun had their photographers gotten it, but, alas, they didn't seem to have it. It happens. We move on.

And, Bruce. Yes, I miss plays all the time. For this one I had an excuse, I simply had not gotten back to the field.

But there are many plays that I simply miss. I guess wrong on the play or something. I can't count how many times in my career I've been caught with my long glass in one hand, short glass in the other and as I watched the play all I could think was, "Man, what a great play. Wish I had it."
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Brian Blanco, Photographer
Tampa / Sarasota | FL | USA | Posted: 11:06 PM on 12.15.10
->> Bruce, add me to the list (with you and George) of shooters who admit to missing plays all the time. Heck, often, even when I do nail the play, it still sucks. The point, and I occasionally have one, is that we have the benefit of knowing that thanks to years of experience and hundreds of missed shots.

We (and our editors) are all well aware that we miss plays all the time and that it is entirely possible for an entire field full of shooters to miss a play... particularly early in the third quarter. I felt Richard's second post in the thread was a little "Monday morning quarterbacking" for him to make it a point to come on here and go out of his way to point out that nobody apparently had it and essentially call them out for it through the little "award winning" jab.

I wasn't worried that the egos of the shooters at the game were too fragile to handle Richard's criticism... just pointing out that maybe the ego of the original poster may have been a little too strong... his forth (I misspelled that on purpose for ya) post confirmed the theory.

"Big deal"? Heck no. In fact, the fact that he's confident as hell kind of makes me like the kid a bit. But if someone is going to come on here and call people out and talk about how he would have been "capturing every moment of it" then his portfolio damn sure better look...well... like yours.

(Oh, and as far as the grammar is concerned, a misspelled word or a missing comma is one thing, but you and I both know that coming on here and typing like he's in an AOL chat room isn't going to help his career.)
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Michael McNamara, Photographer, Photo Editor
Phoenix | AZ | USA | Posted: 11:43 PM on 12.15.10
->> I think the lead has been buried in this thread. Richard said he'd be capturing every moment of the run. Figure that it takes the fastest people in the world about ten seconds to cover the distance involved. A 1D mk4 shoots 10fps and has a 32 frame buffer (for shooting raw...you wouldn't want to miss such an awesome play just shooting jpegs). So Richard, you have a camera with a 100 frame buffer?

Finally, why would you expect the Texans to post photos to their site of a player running a kickoff back for a touchdown from the opposing team? That's like expecting Getty to post photos of the Indiana Pacers going into the stands in Detroit!
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Wesley Hitt, Photographer
Fayetteville | AR | USA | Posted: 12:00 AM on 12.16.10
->> Thomas, best post of all time. Wow that is entertaining.
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Mike Anzaldi, Photographer
Oak Park | IL | USA | Posted: 12:01 AM on 12.16.10
->> once again, the real comedy in these threads is not the original post, but those who've humored us in responding.
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Richard Quinton, Photographer
Pasadena | CA | USA | Posted: 12:19 AM on 12.16.10
->> I was simply stating it appears that the main companies do not have the diving moment, or the breaking through the mess of players that failed to tackle him. There are no shots of the play in any news articles or main photo websites besides running and downed in the end zone. That is why all I was just trying to ask in the first place if anyone around here got it.

Yes I know with it being a night game many people have to get their photos into their agencies during half time. Plus a kickoff usually doesn’t get much attention, more likely a play in the closing moments will be more important for news. If I managed to get access there from Houston like I did in San Diego, I would have been focusing on him.

It was his first career touchdown and a Baltimore record, along with helping him earn special teams AFC player of the week honors. The past week he made headlines for other off the field incidents.

Nowhere in this post was I bashing or calling out ANYONE or any organization and their abilities. How much longer is this reasonless bashing back towards my way going to continue? End of story.
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Chuck Liddy, Photographer
Durham | NC | USA | Posted: 12:42 AM on 12.16.10
->> richard, you were, you did. sorry bro. and that is the saddest part of this whole thread. you can't or won't own up to the fact that you stuck your foot in your mouth. obviously you haven't the faintest clue as to how coverage of late night sporting events work. read up on it. ask someone who does it for a living...but please, don't stick your finger in someone's eye when you obviously are nothing short of clueless in how this business works. just another GWC who purports to be an "expert". I heard eHow is looking for someone to explain "deadline sports photography" to them....you seem to be the perfect match.
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Chuck Liddy, Photographer
Durham | NC | USA | Posted: 12:43 AM on 12.16.10
->> ...and brian....you're welcome
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