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OT: Tiger Woods
Jim Colburn, Photo Editor, Photographer
McAllen | TX | USA | Posted: 9:57 AM on 11.29.09
->> If, as it's being reported by some news outlets, Tiger Woods' ex-model wife beat the snot out of him with a golf club, questions arise.

Did she use a 2 iron or a 5 wood?

Tiger doesn't use a hybrid, did she?

If she used a wedge does it conform to the 2010 groove rules and are those grooves now embossed on Tiger's face?
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Anantachai Brown, Photographer
Jacksonville | FL | | Posted: 11:27 AM on 11.29.09
->> something isn't right about that story.
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Svein Ove Ekornesvaag, Photographer
Aalesund | Møre og Romsdal | Norway | Posted: 12:12 PM on 11.29.09
->> Well, I guess Craig Bellamy's nickname "The nutter with the putter" is also suitable for a woman.
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Ian L. Sitren, Photographer
Palm Springs | CA | USA | Posted: 12:34 PM on 11.29.09
->> I heard he fired off a frame while she was in the middle of a swing.
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Mark Loundy, Photo Editor
San Jose | CA | USA | Posted: 3:10 PM on 11.29.09
->> This is SO nobody's business.

--Mark
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Jeff Stanton, Photographer
Princeton | IN | USA | Posted: 3:14 PM on 11.29.09
->> Thank you, Mark.
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Walter Tychnowicz, Photographer
Edmonton | Alberta | Canada | Posted: 5:03 PM on 11.29.09
->> Sure its Nobody's Business if I wreck my Escalade into a Fire Hydrant and a tree otuside my big house at 2 am, Cops come by and I am on the ground unconcious (or not ) bleeding from the face and my wife over top of me with a golf club ( or not), go to hospital in serious condition ( or not ) , Be released and oh, dont want to talk to the cops about it for a few days. Sure I can do that and get away with it. Oh thats right its a Mega Sports celeb, Sorry I forgot. Waiting for the YouTube video with the fan that wants us to Leave Tiger alone. Sure its not my business, but he is a Public figure and had something happen that now makes it the public's business.
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Jeff Mills, Photographer, Photo Editor
Columbus | OH | USA | Posted: 6:15 PM on 11.29.09
->> Walter, just because someone is a public figure on the golf course does not mean that they deserve no private life.

This was a domestic matter, that happened on his own property, not on the golf course. I have no more right to demand to know what happens in Tigers personal life than I do expecting to know the details of my neighbors private life.

Its the public's interest in this stupid scandal and gossip that allow people like the balloon boy's parents or the White House crashers to get TV deals and 6 figure offers for their story.
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Walter Tychnowicz, Photographer
Edmonton | Alberta | Canada | Posted: 7:28 PM on 11.29.09
->> A public figure that had an incident involving a vehicle, happen outside his home that occurred on a neighbours property. Police are involved and they are not ( so far at least ) not speaking to police. How long could you go ( or I go ) if that had that happen and you ( or I ) were not able to speak to the police. If I have an accident on public property It is not a private matter anymore, regardless of the circumstances. This has nothing to do with the " Balloon Boy " or White House crashers. If it is such a minor accident then it should be all over by Monday AM right ?? It is your American Media that is being the messanger on this is it not Jeff ??
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Bradly J. Boner, Photographer, Photo Editor
Jackson | WY | USA | Posted: 8:03 PM on 11.29.09
->> Walter -

1. The accident didn't happen on public property. It happened in a private, gated golf community.

2. Tiger isn't legally required to talk to the police.
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Walter Tychnowicz, Photographer
Edmonton | Alberta | Canada | Posted: 8:11 PM on 11.29.09
->> Ok Bradley,

Then why is " 1. Tiger's official Web site characterized the incident as a "minor car accident," yet his wife told police she needed to smash out the back window of his 2009 Escalade in order to rescue him. Does that sound like a "minor car accident"?
2. Why did the Florida Highway Patrol wait 11 1/2 hours to report anything about the incident to the public? The report came, perhaps not coincidentally, after Woods had received treatment and exited an Orlando hospital."

Oh thats right, its all rumors. I will remember that the next time I get into an incident ( not an accident ) on a private ,gated golf community the next golf tourney I cover and I , Whew ! Won't have to talk to the police as I am not Legally required.

I will turn on my tv in the AM knowing that the Tiger Woods story will all be gone and we will be going back to hearing about Whitehouse Gate crashers and Balloon boy. Oh wait, maybe I will watch your Fox news to see how they cover this. Oh and Golf Tv wont be covering this at all by the way.
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Matthew Sauk, Photographer
Sandy | UT | United States | Posted: 8:29 PM on 11.29.09
->> Walter,

I can not understand why you are getting so upset over this? No one was hurt, it was a single car crash that happened on private property.

It is a private matter. Who cares why it happened, everyone is okay and alive.
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Jeff Mills, Photographer, Photo Editor
Columbus | OH | USA | Posted: 9:02 PM on 11.29.09
->> Walter, if you do get into a car accident/incident (which I obviously hope you don't) your free to call it whatever you want on your own official web site as well.

Do you feel Tiger's official website has some duty to inform the general public of any and all matters in his personal life ?


Does it perhaps make sense that the Highway Patrol would either wait, or not announce that the worlds most famous golfer is at a local hospital ?

Not for the sake of his privacy, but to prevent a media circus from swarming the hospital and preventing them from saving lives ?

What duty to the public does the Highway Patrol have when it comes to informing the general public of accidents/incidents it responds to for that matter ?

I don't mean that as a rhetorical question, rather I'm actually curious.

If the Highway Patrol pulls over a celebrity for speeding, drunk driving or whatever else, is there a time frame they are supposed to make this info public by ? Are they supposed to inform any local news organizations ?
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Francis Specker, Photographer
Riverside | CA | USA | Posted: 10:26 PM on 11.29.09
->> Everyone has the right to privacy. Even Tiger Woods.

But what makes Tiger Woods different from most of us is that he is a public figure. He has generated around a billion dollars from his winnings and sponsorships. All that money from public appearances on television and ads in print.

If there is a story that would tarnish his image, some of that sponsorship money might go away. The general public might not want to buy his products he endorses.

Tiger Woods has made a concerted effort to be in the public spotlight. The fact the media is now reporting every detail about a minor traffic accident should be no surprise.

If, in the worst case scenario, a public figure is found out to be a philanderer, a drug abuser, commit domestic battery, or other crimes, does the public have the right to know, or should this be a private matter? Does this only apply to elected officials or to celebs and sports figures too?

We want to judge our sports heroes in the context on what they do on the field, not what happens in their private lives off the field. That is what happened 50 years ago. Today we have TMZ.com. The metaphorical horse has left the barn.
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David A. Cantor, Photographer, Photo Editor
Toledo | OH | USA | Posted: 10:43 PM on 11.29.09
->> "The metaphorical horse has left the barn."

Did Frakes have 40 remotes to shoot this?
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Matthew Sauk, Photographer
Sandy | UT | United States | Posted: 10:45 PM on 11.29.09
->> IMHO, I think too many people believe that they should be allowed to know every single little thing about a person just because they are a "public" figure. I don't find that true at all.

Personal/Private is just that, but to many people make money off of other peoples misery these days to stop it now.
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Tom Szczerbowski, Photographer
London | ON | Canada | Posted: 10:48 PM on 11.29.09
->> ->> something isn't right about that story.

It's about as believable as man-made global warming.
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Bryan Crowe, Photographer
Fullerton | CA | US | Posted: 10:59 PM on 11.29.09
->> Tom Szczerbowski, Photographer
London | ON | Canada | Posted: 10:48 PM Today
->> ->> something isn't right about that story.

It's about as believable as man-made global warming.


Huh ?
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Jeff Martin, Photographer
wellington | OH | usa | Posted: 11:02 PM on 11.29.09
->> Bryan, google CRU email scandal. Unless you're being intentionally obtuse for literary effect.
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David Seelig, Photographer
Hailey | ID | USA | Posted: 11:08 PM on 11.29.09
->> Anytime someone drives a car and has an accident no matter where it is. a cause for concern, the next time it could cost an innocent person there life. There is something wrong here. I know a kid who got a dui for an accident on private property but his name was not Tiger Woods. He is getting star treatment it is not right.
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Matthew Sauk, Photographer
Sandy | UT | United States | Posted: 11:16 PM on 11.29.09
->> But that is the thing, alcohol is not invovled, no one except Tiger was hurt.

You can do a what if game all day long, but the fact is this happened on private property and as far as we know nothing illegal happened or went on.

It is non of our business IMHO.
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Jim Colburn, Photo Editor, Photographer
McAllen | TX | USA | Posted: 11:51 PM on 11.29.09
->> "It's about as believable as man-made global warming."

So you're saying that it's totally believable...
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Jamey Price, Student/Intern, Photographer
Charlotte | NC | USA | Posted: 12:19 AM on 11.30.09
->> The funniest thing I've seen come from this was...

"For once, Im a better driver then Tiger Woods."
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Mike Anzaldi, Photographer
Oak Park | IL | USA | Posted: 12:33 AM on 11.30.09
->> funny that many here keep going with the "private property" excuse to justify that it's nobody's business. well, michael vick was fighting dogs on private property. just sayin'.

as to whether woods did anything illegal...who knows? i suspect the police would like to know how it is he ran over a hydrant and hit a tree hard enough to see tweety-birds for lord knows how long. the expectation of privacy is little weak here. he didn't crash his car while driving around in his living room. as the most famous golfer ever, reporters are going to ask how he knocked himself out while backing out of the driveway, period. since it's illegal to lie to the police, he ain't talkin'. his silence about the whole incident is fascinating to the media. obviously, something remarkable happened- and something that is probably exceedingly embarrassing or illegal.

the unwritten deal is that in exchange for a billion dollars, the public gets to watch you live. as far as the public is concerned, this is the best part of the "tiger woods show." the public wants in on the chapter where woods gets beat down for running with some silly cocktail waitress from NYC. the public is interested in all sorts of stupid s**t. that's why i have heard of two moron parents named jon and kate.

lance briggs crashed his lambo 2 years ago at 2:30am and fled the scene- then called the car in as being stolen! why? he was probably drunk off his can. like briggs, woods is trying to protect his fairy tail life, while the public appreciates the reminders that people like him are actually human- meaning: sometimes stupid. watch. this will make woods even more admirable. i wouldn't conclude that is nobody's business though. the public kind of decides what is their business- and clearly, it has been decided that this is fair game. bad week to be t woods.
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David Harpe, Photographer
Louisville | KY | USA | Posted: 12:53 AM on 11.30.09
->> Whether or not he has the legal or moral right to privacy is irrelevant. Advertisers and sponsors DO care about the public perception of the people representing their brands. That public perception is shaped by more than game play. You can argue all night long as to whether it's fair, correct, etc. But it is the way it works.

That said, whoever is advising Tiger Woods needs to come up with something other than "It was my fault - leave me alone." (paraphrase) He needs to take a cue from someone like Michael Phelps. The "bong" photo had the potential to really screw the guy up. He got in front of it hours after it was released, met with USA Swimming to talk about any issues there, and was up front and honest about everything with his fan base. Now it's basically forgotten, and Phelps is still a very marketable athlete - and he doesn't have the "bong" distraction to deal with at every press conference.

That's how you handle this sort of thing if you want to be a high profile, multimillion dollar marketing machine. You don't let the police come to your door three separate times and turn them away each time. You don't issue trite leave-me-alone statements on your web site. It's not a good career move...particularly in a concentration-centric sport such as golf. Particularly when his whole marketing image has been squeaky-clean-hero.

He doesn't have to bare his soul and his entire private life, but he does need to give his fans and sponsors something better if he wants to maintain that persona. Hopefully he'll do so later after a good weekend planning session.
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Jim Colburn, Photo Editor, Photographer
McAllen | TX | USA | Posted: 10:24 AM on 11.30.09
->> "He needs to take a cue from someone like Michael Phelps."

Or Hugh Grant with his hooker problem a few years back. He went on TV with Leno, admitted that he'd been a bad boy, and that was pretty much the end of it.

That being said I'm sure that Nike will do everything in their corporate power to help Woods gloss this over since he IS Nike Golf for the most part. It'll be interesting to see if their ads for their Victory Red clubs will include a claim that they also work against auto glass.
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Mark Loundy, Photo Editor
San Jose | CA | USA | Posted: 10:27 AM on 11.30.09
->> Do I think Woods and his wife are telling the truth? No. Does it matter? No.

I am dead serious when I say that I would be ignoring the story if it were not part of my job to stay aware of popular interests. It makes me feel like I've peeped into my neighbor's window (whether he wants me to is irrelevant to me.)

The obsession with celebrities distracts people from issues that might actually have material meaning to their lives.

--Mark
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Dave Miller, Photographer
Darlington | PA | | Posted: 10:51 AM on 11.30.09
->> I could care less what's going on with Tiger Woods, but he is a high profile athlete that's going garner attention when something happens.

The thing that I find even more disturbing is that the woman he alledgedly had a fling with (a night club hostess and nobody until a few days ago)is featured in a photo with the story in my local paper today surrounded by media as she arrives at LA Airport Sunday. Apparently, there are a lot of people that need to make things like this their business. Sad
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Dave Miller, Photographer
Darlington | PA | | Posted: 10:54 AM on 11.30.09
->> Well put, Mark
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Jeff Stanton, Photographer
Princeton | IN | USA | Posted: 11:02 AM on 11.30.09
->> Tiger, or Joe, or whoever, are not required to speak with police. Your Constitutional rights still apply even if you're driving and/or on private property. The difference here is that he can afford to have an attorney on retainer who I am willing to bet my bottom dollar advised Tiger to shutup. The difference being most people think they have to talk to police, which they don't. Of course, depending on the situation, Tiger, Joe or whoever could have their license suspended pending the outcome of the investigation.

You may recall the JonBenet Ramsey case. Her parents did not speak to the police or go to the police station that day of the discovery on advice from their attorney. Unless you're under arrest, you don't have to.
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Jeff Martin, Photographer
wellington | OH | usa | Posted: 11:10 AM on 11.30.09
->> The amount of attention this is getting is proportional with the attention his golf exploits get. Are either important to anyones life? I am a hugh fan of golf. I watch and play a ton; but I remain aware that tiger's exploits (on and off the course) mean nothing to my life.
Try to keep in mind that my (or your) curiosity in no way obligates Tiger to explain anything.
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Jim Colburn, Photo Editor, Photographer
McAllen | TX | USA | Posted: 11:36 AM on 11.30.09
->> "WOODS BEATS NICKLAUS RECORD FOR BIZARRE CAR CRASHES"

http://tinyurl.com/yed2qpb
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Harrison Shull, Photographer
Fayetteville, WV | Asheville, NC | | Posted: 11:37 AM on 11.30.09
->> Right, wrong, or indifferent. However, you feel about the issue - Tiger has a serious PR crisis on his hands. His stonewalling, while technically legal, is not helping minimize the collateral damage.

An ex White Houue Communications director and pr consultant wrote a blurb at YahooSports today explaining how Tiger has erred and how he should have handled it using other athlete scandals in the past for comparison.

http://sports.yahoo.com/golf/blog/devil_ball_golf/post/How-Tiger-Woods-shou...;_ylt=ApdLO7Sej1vw2Fp8uOGbhMc5nYcB?urn=golf,205542

or

http://tinyurl.com/ylkf23u
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G.J. McCarthy, Photographer
Dallas | TX | Lower 48 | Posted: 11:40 AM on 11.30.09
->> The irony in all this is that so many are asking what Tiger was doing out (or where he was going) at 2:15 a.m. on Friday morning.

The more important question, to me, is what I was doing asleep at 2:15 a.m. on Friday morning ... and had been so since about 9:00 p.m. Thursday ...

... after an exciting night of SnackWells and Murder She Wrote reruns on the couch ...

... in my Thundercats jammies, no less ...

My life sucks.
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Travis Haughton, Photographer
Crystal Lake | IL | USA | Posted: 11:48 AM on 11.30.09
->> When the best golfer on the planet gets beaten with his own golf club* and is wandering in and out of consciousness when the police arrive...that's news.

*allegedly
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Jeff Brehm, Photographer, Photo Editor
Charlotte | NC | USA | Posted: 12:16 PM on 11.30.09
->> Tiger makes most of his money by being a VERY public figure. In fact, the more people who recognize his face and know who he is, the more money he makes. So excuse the public if they don't buy this crap about this particular embarassing incident being private. You got the attention you wanted. Deal with it.
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Matthew Sauk, Photographer
Sandy | UT | United States | Posted: 12:30 PM on 11.30.09
->> That is the thing, if advertisers want to know what happened then sure they pay him to show their product. But outside of them we are owed nothing.

You pay to see a show when he golfs, that does not give you a right to see inside his house or his family matters.

Tiger is Tiger and will always be Tiger. His private life is just that, private. I find it refreshing that he cares about separating his golf life with his private life.
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Bradly J. Boner, Photographer, Photo Editor
Jackson | WY | USA | Posted: 12:31 PM on 11.30.09
->> Jeff - Actually, off the golf course, Tiger has used his money to try and be a VERY PRIVATE figure. If you step back and look at how he lives his life, aside from advertising, he's made more efforts to maintain a private life than to seek out the spotlight.
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David Harpe, Photographer
Louisville | KY | USA | Posted: 12:38 PM on 11.30.09
->> The obsession with celebrities distracts people from issues that might actually have material meaning to their lives.

Most "obsessions" are not healthy by your metric. Sports in general - and the entire entertainment industry for that matter - have no material meaning in peoples' lives. Unless you work in the industry (or gamble), the basics of your life - food/shelter/clothing - are not changed by the end of any movie, or the score of any game. If you did ANYTHING other than go to a football game you'd probably do more good for society as a whole. Take the money spent on the tickets and food and donate to a shelter or pay off debt. Take the four or five hours you'd spend attending the game and volunteer at a shelter, or spend time visiting seniors at a retirement home. You could take a huge chunk out of the homeless problem simply by suspending the NFL season for a year and diverting all of the ticket revenue to building housing and shelters. Want to fund public schools for a decade? Shut down the movie industry for a year or two.

Kinda doesn't work out that way though, does it?

Mass psychology is a tough one. One thing is certain - people need to be distracted from time to time, otherwise they go insane. Would it be better if all sports were eliminated and we all started doing documentaries on global warming? Or would it simply double Eli Lily's stock price due to a spike in demand for Prozac? Bread and circuses, as it were...

The obsession with the rich, the famous, tragedy, winners and losers is a byproduct of capitalism - which defines itself in much the same way.
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Clay Carson, Photographer
Little Rock | Ar | USA | Posted: 1:23 PM on 11.30.09
->> It is obvious why Tiger was out at 2:30am. He was on his wat the the Wal-Mart black Friday sale. Every little bit helps...

Clay
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David A. Cantor, Photographer, Photo Editor
Toledo | OH | USA | Posted: 1:28 PM on 11.30.09
->> There might be considerable meaning, material or otherwise, in the sports parable as inspiration for various people dealing with and overcoming adversity. Obviously, Mr. Woods' early morning drive wouldn't be one of them but his last major could well be.
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Phil Hawkins, Photographer
Fresno | ca | usa | Posted: 1:58 PM on 11.30.09
->> Yawn.......
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Jeff Stanton, Photographer
Princeton | IN | USA | Posted: 2:07 PM on 11.30.09
->> All this about his PR nightmare and what it will do to his image is horse manure. The man has more money than Carter's got liver pills. If his advertisers all dropped him, so what? If every fan turned against him, so what? It wouldn't bother me in the least if he stayed home and never played golf again. And he can afford to do just that.

None of this bruha has fed a single homeless person, none of it has shortened the unemployment lines and none of it has put a single journalist back to work. I would rather see media coverage about somebody who is making the difference in the lives of many rather than hear about a man who hits a golf ball around for a living. I'm unsure if Tiger Woods donates to charities or helps the sick and poor. If he does, my respect for him and what he has attained would definitely escalate.
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Jeff Martin, Photographer
wellington | OH | usa | Posted: 3:44 PM on 11.30.09
->> " none of it has put a single journalist back to work."

Stuff like this is what's keeping many journalist employed. It helps pay the bills.
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Jeff Stanton, Photographer
Princeton | IN | USA | Posted: 3:57 PM on 11.30.09
->> Jeff, I don't think so.
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Rod Mar, Photographer
Seattle | WA | USA | Posted: 4:44 PM on 11.30.09
->> There is nothing funny about domestic violence.

Joking about it in private is one thing, if you choose to do it. Making light of it in a public forum makes the poster, and those associated with Sportsshooter, look like we are a bunch of ignorant, self-centered lazy a**holes -- a perception that photographers both resent and fight against every day.
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Walter Tychnowicz, Photographer
Edmonton | Alberta | Canada | Posted: 5:16 PM on 11.30.09
->> I Agree with Rod ! 100 % This is the part that we are missing out on if this was in fact domestic violence or not. Nothing funny about it at all. Regardless if Tiger was target or if his wife was the target, or if Photographers were the target. Its not like he gets mad at photogs when they shoot during his swing or anything right. ( another matter I know). Ok, there are some that were saying this was a private matter, on private property. Ok, I will remember that the next time I may be a witness to a domestic violence case or a " Minor Accident " on private property. Guy lying in the middle of the road on private property at 2:00 am I will keep driving, same if its a woman , Oh ok its on a private road, I will keep going as its none of my business. Should I then ignore the whole thing if its a Superstar golfer or Joe or Joyce Schmo ? I hope this is all nothing, but if it is more serious, then I feed Sad for Tiger and I feel sad for everyone involved. Tiger is now human, he has problems like some of us. Problem is he, like the rest of us can't hide it when you are a public figure.
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David Seelig, Photographer
Hailey | ID | USA | Posted: 5:29 PM on 11.30.09
->> In regards to Matt if he was not drunk well a car that crashes is serious buisness if it happens sober because if it was from a domestic fight that can happen anywhere any time and is scarier to me then if he was drunk. I feel for anyone if they are having problems, but car crashes can kill innocent people. The police would not be stonewalled or allow themselves to be stonewalled by any of us.
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Matthew Sauk, Photographer
Sandy | UT | United States | Posted: 5:40 PM on 11.30.09
->> David,

it has been said here many times that he has decided not to talk to the police, which is his right to do.

Just like it would be our right, it is his as well.

Look again we can play the what if game all night long, but the matter of fact is that he crashed his car into a tree and ONLY hurt HIMSELF.

That is the only facts we know. Don't play the what if game, to many variables.
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Monty Rand, Photographer
Bangor | ME | USA | Posted: 5:51 PM on 11.30.09
->> Tiger Woods crashed into a fire hydrant and a tree. He couldn’t decide between a wood or an iron!!
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Alan Stewart, Photographer
Corydon | IN | USA | Posted: 8:25 AM on 12.01.09
->> Stanton:

http://www.tigerwoodsfoundation.org/

http://www.twlc.org/index.html

And for the other side, I offer up Sally Jenkins' thoughts:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/11/30/AR200911300...
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