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Canon 7D
Monty Rand, Photographer
Bangor | ME | USA | Posted: 7:17 AM on 10.04.09
->> I was finally able to get out and shoot the other with the Canon 7D. The conditions weren't the best as it was raining, but you can't do much about the weather living here in the Northeast. I have 3 images up in the sports gallery on my website (www.montyrand.com). I haven't had much time to tweak my color setting, sharpening and all that other fun stuff that we do when we get a new camera. I found the camera to be very fast and responsive. Some of the new menus took me a few minutes to figure out, but for the most part I'm very, very impressed.
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Kent Nishimura, Student/Intern
Honolulu | HI | USA | Posted: 8:00 AM on 10.04.09
->> my experience with it is that there seems to be an overall softness to images coming from the camera. could be that i had a poor copy? not sure.
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Monty Rand, Photographer
Bangor | ME | USA | Posted: 10:02 AM on 10.04.09
->> Really? All my images are tack sharp and the few that were soft were due to the AF switching focus to something else that came in front. There were a few soft ones, but nothing that made me think it couldn't handle focusing. I shot everything with the 400 F2.8 and it was raining. I also was using the center set of focus points and not just the center point. I did switch to the center point at one point in the game, but unsure if the focus was improved or just the same. Anyways, I'll need a few more games to dial in the setting sthe way I like, but I was impressed.
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Shelby Daniel, Photographer
Guntown | MS | USA | Posted: 9:18 PM on 10.04.09
->> I've now shot Friday night football and also used the 7D briefly at an outdoor wedding on Saturday. So far I'm not so enthused with the results. The focus seems snappy, and it's definitely better than my 5D2 focus, particularly on the outer points. The focus isn't as good as the focus on my 1Dmk3 (so far). The image quality at iso 3200 is usable, but not nearly as nice as my 1Dmk3 or 5D2 (as I suspected). The 7D seems to be about a stop behind either one of my other cameras in terms of noise. I also got more out of focus shots at the football game than I normally do. Part of this could be the fact that I was shooting f2 1/640 @ iso3200. I'm sure part of this may be user error. Also, everything I've shot so far has been with the 200 1.8 on a monopod, so I may need to check the focus accuracy of the lens. I need to use the camera more to come to a firm conclusion, but so far I'm not real happy with the 7D. Here are some samples:

http://www.tupelopix.com/Professional/7D-first-shots/9855120_MiYHL#67031256...
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Joshua Brown, Photographer
New York | NY | USA | Posted: 7:04 PM on 10.05.09
->> Its been the tale of two cameras for me. I shot a wedding with it on Saturday but only video at 24p and 60p. The footage looks great. It doesn't have the DOF of my 5D, but the 24 and 60p looks more than make up for it.

On sunday, I shot another wedding, but it was all stills. I shot about half the day with the 7D and the second half with the 5D. Again, I have to really look through the images more closely, but I was not impressed at all with what the 7 was giving me.... MUCH higher noise, poor dynamic range, inaccurate color, etc. Anything past 1600 was no good on the 7D. On the 5D I routinely go up to 6400 when I need to. I would say the 7 is at least a couple stops back in noise levels.

Autofocus is another issue. It seemed really responsive, and it was definitely nice to have 8fps, but when I actually looked at the images, many of them were soft. I thought it could be the lens until I put it back on my 5D later in the day and they were tack sharp.

SOO. the 7 will be my video camera on one shoulder while I shoot the 5D on the other. I have high hopes for the 1D Mark IV.
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Brian Tietz, Photographer
Fort Myers | FL | USA | Posted: 8:06 PM on 10.05.09
->> Thanks for the reviews guys, anyone else shoot Friday night football or sports with the 7D?
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Marvin Gentry, Photographer
Birmingham | AL | USA | Posted: 11:18 PM on 10.05.09
->> So hwo does the camera feel compared to a MKI or MKii body. I know its not gonna be as heavy but what about the size of it. Does it fit your hand better
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Craig Glaspell, Photographer, Assistant
Murrieta | CA | USA | Posted: 12:10 PM on 10.06.09
->> Joshua, I shot a wedding on saturday as well with new 7d as my backup. At first the images seemed really noisy, but in DPP they were WAY cleaner.

I just wish this thing was full frame.

AF was much better than my 5d ever was...but still not as perfect as my 1ds2's
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David Seelig, Photographer
Hailey | ID | USA | Posted: 2:00 PM on 10.06.09
->> I shot pregame at the Saints jets game with a 7 d liked it a lot noce to have a light 2nd body. I only went to 1250 iso have not used 6400 we will see. I must say that canon and nikon need a light weight full frame body with good responsiveness. The 5 d mk 11 to me is just too big and not responsive enough. as a wak around street camera.
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Joshua Brown, Photographer
New York | NY | USA | Posted: 2:30 PM on 10.06.09
->> Craig,

yeah I actually did notice the same thing. I might change my position on the image quality after processing them all and/or shooting another event with it.
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Patrick Murphy-Racey, Photographer
Powell | TN | USA | Posted: 7:46 PM on 10.07.09
->> haven't really shot mine much yet as i just got it today, but the build quality is WAY superior to the 40/50D cameras. It's heavy, built well, feels great in my hands even without a grip, the viewfinder is amazingly bright and big, the buttons and switches are moved around a bit and make more sense if you shoot a lot of video (which I do). I love the camera and the 8 fps is totally FOR REAL. This thing really rocks. Looking forward to shooting it tomorrow night at a high school game in the dark. the images come up and look very noisy on the LCD but as of yet, I've not opened them up to see them in PS or LR yet. More on this tomorrow, but overall I'm impressed. the AF is very very fast with little hunting even in low light.
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Donald Montague, Photographer
Orlando | FL | | Posted: 10:02 PM on 10.07.09
->> After shooting with the 7d for the last 6 days here are my initial thoughts.

I have been shooting with a Mark IIn for the last 3 years before getting the 7D. While it is not as heavy or rugged as the IIn, it is very comfortable and functional. I personally am looking forward to getting the grip when it becomes available, but that’s because I like the feel of a larger camera body and the fact that I have big hands. The LCD screen is amazingly bright. In my opinion the auto focus is very fast in low light with very little or no hunting at all. The motor drive is equal to that of the mark IIn. Several of the function buttons have been relocated to make more sense.
I shot a high school football game last Friday night as ISO 5000 at 500 f/2.8. and yes the images were a little noisy but that is expected at 5K. The images cleaned up very nicely with a small amount of noise reduction. I shot mainly with my 400mm 2.8 and the extra reach more than outweighed the noise. When shooting in the daytime light the images look absolutely amazing.

I am looking forward to taking the camera into some of these high school dungeons for Volleyball and Basketball and seeing what it can do inside. Im sure the 7D will be a much more affordable option that the Mark IV when it comes out early next year. For the price the camera is well worth the investment.


But that’s my 2cents.
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Kent Nishimura, Student/Intern
Honolulu | HI | USA | Posted: 10:55 PM on 10.07.09
->> gonna give the 7D another run this weekend with some College Football. Will post my findings.
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Matthew Sauk, Photographer
Sandy | UT | United States | Posted: 9:57 AM on 10.08.09
->> Donald,

Do you have any galleries available to be viewed? Would love to see the images taken with the camera
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Joshua Brown, Photographer
New York | NY | USA | Posted: 12:03 PM on 10.08.09
->> This is my first cut from the video I shot with it.

http://vimeo.com/6963507
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Matthew Sauk, Photographer
Sandy | UT | United States | Posted: 12:13 PM on 10.08.09
->> Do you find it hard to constantly manual focus?
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Joshua Brown, Photographer
New York | NY | USA | Posted: 12:31 PM on 10.08.09
->> Its difficult for sure, but I am getting better with each shoot. I am waiting for this to come http://store.zacuto.com/Z-Finder.html . The thing I really need to practice is all the different pans, tilts, dolly shots etc that make the edits more interesting. I think thats the biggest challenge for photographers shooting video.
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William Purnell, Photographer
Wichita | Ks | | Posted: 4:08 PM on 10.08.09
->> Well done Joshua, I'm impressed. How long did it take to render the raw footage and edit it for that video?

I espcially liked the shots where you faded focus from the person in the background to the person in the foreground, was that really difficult with having to focus manually?
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Tom Suarez, Photographer
Austin | texas | USA | Posted: 10:31 PM on 10.08.09
->> Just finished shooting first high school football game with the 7D. Tried all iso's up to 12800, Shot first half with out strobe with varying iso. Shot second half iso 1250 1/250 2.8 with strobe. At 12800 quiet a bit of noise when more of the background was included in photos but very usable when players filled frame especially for newspaper print. 6400 was very nice with out a lot of noise.

Focus was fast and accurate. Tried several focus modes but the best mode was Center focus using the surrounding focusing areas also. I think focus is as good as my Mark IIn.

Will be shooting volleyball indoors tomorrow in a dark gym bfore shooting more football. I will adding photos to my Zenfolio account when they are ready. I will try to turn on metadata field for the gallery so people can see the different iso settings. Overall I think it is a great camera so far
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PJ Heller, Photographer
Santa Barbara | CA | USA | Posted: 11:17 PM on 10.08.09
->> Joshua:

How much, if any, was shot using a tripod/monopod and how much handheld? Was handholding a problem?
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Tom Suarez, Photographer
Austin | texas | USA | Posted: 11:44 PM on 10.08.09
->> Ok Here is the link to the photos I shot tonight. If you hover your mouse in the upper right hand corner you can see the iso and all the setting that were used. I started off about iso 2500 and went all the way up to iso 12800. They are in the process of uploading right now and will have about 70 photos when completed. http://tomsuarez.zenfolio.com/llano_vs_burnet_freshman_football
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Joshua Brown, Photographer
New York | NY | USA | Posted: 11:46 PM on 10.08.09
->> I was trying out all kinds of different stabilization. Most of the stuff in the hotel room was using the Zacuto Rapid Fire. It keeps it pretty steady, but to really make the ergonomics work, you need the z finder attachment that goes with it. Its backordered though.

The rest of it is mostly a monopod. I felt like it gave me the most flexibility and comfort. I attempted some dolly shots with a tripod I brought with this wheel attachment they recommended at BH. It was just too cumbersome for what I was trying to shoot.

I am looking to buy this.
http://www.glidetrack.com/products/glidetrack-hd.html or this http://www.microdolly.com/ for dolly shots

and a glidecam. one of the main "problems" with my footage is that its very static and stationary. it looks like a photographer shot it which is a good and bad thing.
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PJ Heller, Photographer
Santa Barbara | CA | USA | Posted: 12:42 AM on 10.09.09
->> Did you also look at this (http://www.idcphotography.com/blog/bruce-dorn/check-out-new-idc-lcd-viewfin...) when you considered the Zacuto?
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Kent Nishimura, Student/Intern
Honolulu | HI | USA | Posted: 3:52 PM on 10.09.09
->> has anyone else experienced softness in images?
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Shelby Daniel, Photographer
Guntown | MS | USA | Posted: 4:18 PM on 10.09.09
->> Kent,

I have. I need to shoot some more to confirm, but so far my images off the 7D seem to be much softer than images off my 1D3 OR 5D2. I hope to do some NCAA football shooting tommorrow, and I'll let you know how it turns out.
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Donald Montague, Photographer
Orlando | FL | | Posted: 6:00 PM on 10.09.09
->> it seems that when comparing the 7D to the Mark III or 5D mark II everyone is unhappy, but when compared to a mark II or Mark IIn the camera is a major upgrade.

let compare costs
mark III = $3,700
5D mark II = $2,700
7d = $1,700

I don’t think it is a fair comparison between the 3 body’s. they each have their strengths and the 7d strength is that half the price of a mark III. nobody is comparing to a $1,100 50D body. for the price this is a great camera, but when compared to is more expensive siblings it's slightly disappointing.
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Kent Nishimura, Student/Intern
Honolulu | HI | USA | Posted: 8:27 PM on 10.09.09
->> the 7D is worlds better than the 50. i had one. sold it in a heartbeat. yowza. I was expecting the 7D to perform a bit better though...
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Donald Montague, Photographer
Orlando | FL | | Posted: 11:21 PM on 10.09.09
->> Kent, my point exactly, this camera is a very good midpoint camera between and Mark III and say a 50D
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Kent Nishimura, Student/Intern
Honolulu | HI | USA | Posted: 1:58 AM on 10.10.09
->> @donald, i just wish the 7D wasnt so darn soft at Higher ASAs. very reminiscent of the 50D.
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Max Waugh, Photographer
Bothell | WA | USA | Posted: 4:20 AM on 10.11.09
->> I just used mine for the first time tonight at a college game. As a 40D/20D owner, I think this camera is a major step up. The increased FPS is a huge change (the battery grip button actually seems oversensitive ;), and focus was noticeably better than the xxD bodies.

I haven't had a chance to study the results on my machine at home (only my laptop), but the high ISO handling seems like a big improvement at first glance. With my older bodies I wouldn't shoot a night game at anything higher than 800-1000. Tonight I shot most of the game at 2500 with the 7D, and I think the noise was still better than the 40D/20D at 800. The noticeable exception was with a very dark background, in which case some white noise started showing up.
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Kent Nishimura, Student/Intern
Honolulu | HI | USA | Posted: 7:33 AM on 10.11.09
->> just shot college football.

anything at 3200 or higher in my experience looks very soft. then again it is ASA3200.
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Mark Peters, Photographer
Highland | IL | USA | Posted: 12:00 PM on 10.11.09
->> Kent -

Do you have the in camera noise reduction turned on? If so, couldn't that be the source of your high ISO "softness".

I prefer to turn off all of the NR on my bodies and use plug ins for that purpose. I find the in camera NR is too aggressive - and it shrinks the buffer.
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Kent Nishimura, Student/Intern
Honolulu | HI | USA | Posted: 1:08 PM on 10.11.09
->> mark, i too turn off NR.
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John Germ, Photographer
Wadsworth | Oh | USA | Posted: 2:38 PM on 10.11.09
->> "anything at 3200 or higher in my experience looks very soft. then again it is ASA3200."

The real question is: compared to what? Compared to a 1dmkIII? Compared to a 50d? Compared to a D300? Compared to any other APS-C sensor? Or compared to a full frame?

I'm just trying to get a relative indication of where the performance lies.
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Matthew Sharpe, Photographer
Oxford | MS | USA | Posted: 7:49 PM on 10.11.09
->> I'm moving up to a 7D from a 20D and a 40D, and four things struck me after a day of shooting NCAA Football:

1. Color - the colors still pop out more than my colleagues shooting Nikon, but not as much as before the D3.

2. Sharpness - I had a series or two (4-5 images max) of soft images while the AF was tracking, but no more than that. Tack sharp in my opinion (but again, coming from 20D/40D, not MKIII).

3. AF - fast and precise when tracking.

4. 100% viewfinder - I'm not sure what the viewfinder is on any of the 1 Series cameras or the 5D for that matter, but it made a huge difference for me.

The frame rate is excellent of course. And it's rugged: I was changing out cameras because the rain was starting to come down unexpectedly, and, in trying harder than necessary to protect the camera, I dropped it about a foot to the concrete. First time I've ever done that with a piece of equipment. Couple of scratches, but perhaps it knocked into place whatever mechanism was keeping photos soft (kidding of course).

Overall, I'm thrilled, but I should be because it's an upgrade at a reasonable price. I never went above 2000ISO, but everything below it looked tack sharp and not grainy. Just my $.02.
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Darren Whitley, Photographer
Maryville | MO | USA | Posted: 12:44 PM on 10.15.09
->> I was just listening to Chris Marquart on a podcast. He said the 7D has a built in flash transmitter similar to the Nikon CLS system.

Does anyone have experience with this or is it similar to the having an ST-E2?
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Monty Rand, Photographer
Bangor | ME | USA | Posted: 9:26 PM on 10.16.09
->> It's basically a built in ST-E2.

I've shot numerous games and have not experienced any softness that some people are talking about. So far for me this camera is awesome for the price. Makes me wonder why I would want a Mark IV. I could buy 3 of these for the price of 1 Mark IV.
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Al Goldis, Photographer
East Lansing | MI | USA | Posted: 10:24 PM on 10.19.09
->> A few observations so far.

Image quality in general is nice compared to a 40D. It's no match for a 5DII, however--not that I expected it to be. The 5DII is cleaner and sharper.

The color on the 7D is different. It just has a little different look to it. I shot some stuff at the same Kelvin WB setting and the 7D and 5DII had noticeably different color.

At moderate ISO there is a more apparent noise in the 7D images than even a 1D Mark II. However, when you downsize a 7D image to the same size as a Mark II, the noise goes away and the image appears cleaner. Again, the 5DII is cleaner even at full size.

I haven't pushed the 7D past ISO 1250 yet, so I can't say about high ISO. I will get there soon, though.

AF seems good. My only real beef is I actually had to read the manual to figure out the AF point selection custom function. ;-)

As for sharpness... at least my copy of the 7D doesn't have the same 1-series sharpness at the default settings that I see from a Mark IIn, or a 5D Mark II for that matter. Instead it has that softer look of a non-1-series camera, like a 40D.
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Eric Linsley, Photographer
West Haven | CT | USA | Posted: 9:15 AM on 10.20.09
->> How does the 7D compare to the Mark2N?
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Ray Peters, Photographer
Winkler | MB | CANADA | Posted: 2:45 PM on 10.20.09
->> I have had the 7d for about 3 weeks and have shot about 8000 pics mostly hockey and volleyball. I went from a 30d to 50d and now 7d. What I like most about the 7d.
-big bright viewfinder that shows 100%, no more pics where I think I've cropped tight only to find I hadn't
-all the different focusing options although I must say it takes a lot of playing around to find the one that works best for the each sport.
- 8fps although don't use it that much its nice to have it
-usable pics up to 6400 iso and I've even printed up to 12800 with reasonable quality
-lcd screen that you can view in bright light
cons
I have at times found it harder to custom white balance than on my 50d. (not sure why that would be)

-It still has some trouble focusing when there is not a whole lot of contrast. eg black uniforms with not much of a logo.
-shutter button has a spongy feeling :I like a more crisp shutter button feel.
-af still not quite on par with d3 although quite a price difference
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I have really only used in in low light conditions where I need to use 3200iso and up. Looking forward to trying some outdoor sunlit sports and seeing how it responds.

I have posted samples in this album. Mostly shot at 3200-6400 with a few at 12800.
http://rayssportsphotos.smugmug.com/Sports/7d-sports-shots/9867076_2bni6#67...
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Max Waugh, Photographer
Bothell | WA | USA | Posted: 4:19 PM on 10.20.09
->> Ray, I noticed that the Custom White Balance seemed a bit off as well, compared to my older bodies. All were set in the arena I shot in using an ExpoDisc, but the 7D images came away with more of a yellow caste than the images from the other bodies.

I'll probably try it again with all the bodies before I decide that it's really an issue (albeit a small one).
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Danny Moloshok, Photographer
Los Angeles | CA | USA | Posted: 2:23 AM on 10.25.09
->> Does anyone know if you can voice tag on the 7D or not? Thanks!
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Baron Sekiya, Photographer, Photo Editor
Keaau | HI | USA | Posted: 7:36 AM on 10.25.09
->> Can the video from the Canon 7D be imported into Final Cut Express without transcoding it into another codec?

Having to convert video files is such a pain and the price tag on Final Cut Studio, well I'd rather save the money and spend it on a camera body.
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Max Waugh, Photographer
Bothell | WA | USA | Posted: 11:44 AM on 10.25.09
->> Danny, I actually read the entire manual (for once ;) and didn't see anything about voice tagging.

Max
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Danny Moloshok, Photographer
Los Angeles | CA | USA | Posted: 7:51 PM on 10.25.09
->> Hey Max,
Thanks for the info. That's really too bad, as voice tagging is often such a crucial part of the workflow, especially when you have other people editing your photos. I wonder if they could add it with some firmware update...
-Danny
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Brad Moore, Photographer, Assistant
Weston | MA | USA | Posted: 12:09 PM on 10.27.09
->> Apparently photographers have discovered a problem in the 7D which can result in traces of the immediately preceding frame showing up in following image during continuous shooting mode.

British Journal of Photography article

Confirmed by Canon Japan & Canon Australia.
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Brad Moore, Photographer, Assistant
Weston | MA | USA | Posted: 12:10 PM on 10.27.09
->> Sorry, the link didn't post.

http://www.bjp-online.com/public/showPage.html?page=870447
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Brian Tietz, Photographer
Fort Myers | FL | USA | Posted: 12:28 PM on 10.27.09
->> Just got my 7D yesterday, and so far I'm completely happy especially for how inexpensive of a camera body it is. Hi ISO looks great compared to 1D MK II I had been using for sports and I have no problem with the 1.6x crop this camera is only going to be used with long glass.

BTW I got mine using Bing.com, it was $1699 minus 5% cashback ($85) from J&R Music and Computer, add a $50 MIR from Canon's Loyalty Program, plus free shipping makes it a heck of a deal for 8FPS and 1080p video.

This is my first purchase with Bing.com, and it looks like I have to wait 60 days to get the cash back, anyone else use it?
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Nigel Farrow, Photographer
Suffolk | UK | United Kingdom | Posted: 12:58 PM on 10.27.09
->> Brad, robgalbraith.com has a statement from Canon on the issue at :

http://www.robgalbraith.com/bins/content_page.asp?cid=7-10044-10339

A few days before Halloween does seem to be the ideal time to have a problem with ghosting though.
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Brad Moore, Photographer, Assistant
Weston | MA | USA | Posted: 3:23 PM on 10.27.09
->> After the 5D MK II "black dots" problem, I assumed this too would be a firmware fix. That's good news if it works.
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