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Need some advice on obtaining credentials
Chris d'Aquin, Photographer
Lawrenceville | GA | USA | Posted: 1:56 PM on 08.12.09
->> I do some writing on the side for a new photography website, and the editor has asked for me to write an article about how to arrange press credentials with a local newspaper or sports publication.

This is something I don't have much experience in. I've gotten a press credential only once -- the rest of the time I have shot for the school, team, league, etc -- so I would love to get some suggestions from you guys and gals about how to do this. I don't want to give bad advice, nor do I want to mislead people on how easy (or hard) this can be to obtain.

Much thanks in advance!
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Jeff Mills, Photographer, Photo Editor
Columbus | OH | USA | Posted: 2:31 PM on 08.12.09
->> Lets get this part out of the way first, and make sure I'm correctly understanding what it is your asking. You do some writing for a photography website, and the editor of that site wants you to write an article telling people how to go about obtaining credentials for things such as sporting events, concerts etc?

Whats the target audience of this site ? Professionals or amateur/hobbyist ? If its a hobbyist targeted site, why would this editor think its a good idea to try to explain to people shooting for fun how to try to go about obtaining credentials that are reserved for working media ?

The easy answer is if you want to obtain press credentials, either work for, or shoot for a publication or agency that covers the team/league/event et al, in other words, be an actual working member of the press. Nine times out of ten your going to have to have an assigning editor put in the credential request on your behalf anyways.

Thats why they are called press credentials, not "I enjoy photography and want to get closer to the action" credentials.

One thing I would suggest you stress in your article additionally is the importance of not giving away your work for free and other hurtful practices to our industry simply in exchange for a credential. Its become all to common for hobbyist to offer to trade their images for a credential to an event because they think it would be fun to shoot. Sports photography is in danger of going from an occupation to a rich mans hobby.

Theres been several threads recently regarding the subject of credentials as well, all would be very good reading and give you a lot insight. You can't miss them because they are all maxed out at 50 post by the way.
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Robert Hanashiro, Photographer
Los Angeles | CA | | Posted: 2:50 PM on 08.12.09
->> What is the name of this website you write on the side for?
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Alan Look, Photographer
Bloomington | IL | United States | Posted: 2:51 PM on 08.12.09
->> I don't guess there is just one way. I've called, faxed, emailed, filled out online forms. Heck I think one time I phoned a friend and used a life line.
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Steven Ickes, Photographer
Mechanicsburg | PA | USA | Posted: 3:02 PM on 08.12.09
->> ->> I don't guess there is just one way. I've called, faxed, emailed, filled out online forms. Heck I think one time I phoned a friend and used a life line.

Actually there IS one way: work for a legitimate media outlet and they will request the credentials on your behalf. But then again, that is still no guarantee.
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Michael Fischer, Photographer
Spencer | Ia | USA | Posted: 3:17 PM on 08.12.09
->> Chris;
Is the editor trying to get you killed? :)
Posing that question to you and then asking on here isn't too far from having a death wish.

Several have posted the proper response: Work for a real news gathering organization. Anything else is misleading at best, a lie at worst.

A better story might be the risks of BEING on the sideline. Or everything one misses from watching/shooting from the sideline. I still maintain that for a fan, watching a NFL game from the sideline is a terrible place to be.

Factor in getting run over by a 280 lb player who is wearing all sorts of protective gear, and you may be able to convey that the sideline isn't quite as glamorous as some would think.

Michael
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Clark Brooks, Photo Editor, Photographer
Urbana | IL | USA | Posted: 3:25 PM on 08.12.09
->> "...the editor has asked for me to write an article about how to arrange press credentials with a local newspaper or sports publication."

Just call the editor to the publication and tell them you would like to come by and take pictures at their office. Most probably won't grant you a credential to wonder around and take pictures there because of concerns of losing a competitive edge or you photographing something that might be a trade secret. But it is worth giving them a call to see. Good luck!
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Chris d'Aquin, Photographer
Lawrenceville | GA | USA | Posted: 3:47 PM on 08.12.09
->> Thanks for the comments so far.

Jeff: I almost added that exact wording to my post -- I won't write a 'shoot for free' article. My plans are for something that focuses on people who want to make extra money or want to break into the real world of being a sports photographer.

And I spent an hour or so searching through the forum for posts about credentials. Most SS members that post about credentials seem to already have one and aren't talking about how to get one. But I did find a lot, dealing with things like Notre Dame's fine print and how many leagues and organizations won't let you sell your photos to anyone other than the media outlet who got you the credential.

Michael: I was actually wondering about the death wish. It took me several 'tries' to work up the courage to post. But part of my reasoning is if I get an angry backlash from the shooters and editors here, then maybe I can talk them out of the story.

Robert: I am a freelance writer for WeSay.com. As to why they might want this type of article, this clip from their "about us" page might answer that:

"Developed by experienced internet professionals and journalists, the site emphasizes citizen participation in reporting today's news events. We continually feature citizen news photos on our homepage.

"WeSay's goal is to encourage online users to become involved in the news-gathering process formerly dominated by mainstream, conglomerate-owned media.

"And with the millions of digital and cellphone cameras now in the hands of people around the world, you have the power to report the news as you see it ... and snap it."
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Chad Ryan, Photographer
Fort Wayne | IN | USA | Posted: 3:54 PM on 08.12.09
->> Oh boy ... Here we go.
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William Maner, Photographer
Biloxi | MS | USA | Posted: 3:56 PM on 08.12.09
->> My most memorable pass request was back in 1972. I was in the 11th grade at the time. I was brash and had a lot of gumption..

I rode up to the area college's homecoming game. Back in those days, they didn't have a lot of people on the sidelines. I was just a teen with a camera looking to shoot some daytime football.. All our high school games were at night.

After asking several people outside the stadium about a pass, I was told to ask the assistant athletic director. I didn't have a clue as to what he looked like, so I bought and program to see if his picture was in it. Sure enough, it was.

I camped outside the field entrance gate. After a while, the fellow comes walking up, escorting our retiring U.S. Congressman. The congressman, who'd served 40 years, was going to be honored in a pre-game ceremony.

I just walked up and ask the guy if I could have a pass. He was a bit shocked at such a direct request. He hesitated for a couple of seconds and then asked why he should give me a pass. The congressman was listening intently. I told the fellow "well, I think you're a nice guy, so I figured I'd ask anyway.".. Talk about stunned.. He was at a loss for words. The guy reached inside his coat pocket and pulled out a pass. He finally said "son, you be careful out there.".. The congressman couldn't help but smile a little..

I wouldn't recommend such an approach today, but it worked back in those days when things were a lot more casual.
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John Germ, Photographer
Wadsworth | Oh | USA | Posted: 4:19 PM on 08.12.09
->> Chris,

I feel for you man. The 'citizen photographer' is not held in high regard here. Writing an piece on how the citizen photographer should attempt to get a credential is not going to win you many friends on this forum.

But, more to the point, here's some useful summary for you. If you look at some recent threads you can glean that freelancing for college level sports is not a very lucrative endeavor. In fact, when you factor in the cost to the photographer for equipment, travel, expense etc. it's tough to break even.

For professional sports, I don't think there is such a thing as freelance anymore accept for those shooting for getty or presswire. Everyone else wanting a credential is going to need a call from an editor for the request. I have yet to hear of a single instance where a blog or web request for credentials has met with much success. Even newspapers can have a tough time unless they provide regular coverage for the team.

In addition to 'shooting for free' you'll find a lot of animosity for people willing to shoot for 'credentials' or undercutting rates the working pros charge. The citizen photographer can undercharge because typically it's just a hobby. But such behavior will garner a lot of animosity from those putting food on the table who are facing an increased difficulty doing so as sports photographers.

I'm guessing a piece posing this side of the story wouldn't go over too well with the web's stated mission. One thing I would suggest you do is look into that company's practices. They say they accept user content/photos. I'd suggest looking into what they pay for that and how it compares to freelance rates. If they're accepting stuff for free, you could probably guess how people here will react. Remember, if you're working with them your reputation is associated to them. You may not believe in 'work for free' but that doesn't mean they don't.
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Manuello Paganelli, Photographer
Los Angeles | CA | USA | Posted: 4:20 PM on 08.12.09
->> Chris " My plans are for something that focuses on people who want to make extra money or want to break into the real world of being a sports photographer. "

This is a bad way to approach it.

Otherwise lots of students, doctors, moms, grandparents may think that is ok to make some pix and sell them for $5 or $15 bucks and get a free pass to a game or two.

How about writing a column on how to become a photographer and then how to become a pj at a newspaper? Seriously, obtaining a press pass in not the way to become a sports shooter. First you gotta have the talent and then the connection. HOnestly, unless that person has a name or a tie link to a weekly/paper/photo agency the chances are very slim that they will be granted a press credentials. Those credentials are usually accounted for unless you are dating a player or the coach then you will be on the sidelines shooting with your iphone. Or just looking pretty on the sidelines smiling and camera ready for the network.

Would you imagine the throngs of "photographers" that would be calling the NBA, NFL or pro baseball.. "hi my name is Buddy Billy and I am a car salesman but love to shoot during the weekends. I am not marry. At least not yet..SO you can see that I got the time. I am a pretty good shooter.. All my buddies tell me so.. Mostly when they are drunk.. But I really think that I can shoot. Just look at my flickrs account. I got over 5,000 friends in there. Anyhow I would love to shoot your game. I could use some cash and I am sure that the local Times will buy my prints. I am like Bill Gates sell plenty for cheap. So can you put my name on a press pass for next week's game? Hello.... Helloo.. DAMMIT what an ass hole he hanged up.."

More 2 come

www.ManuelloPaganelli.com
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Robert Hanashiro, Photographer
Los Angeles | CA | | Posted: 4:29 PM on 08.12.09
->> That is all I needed to know.

'Nuff Said.
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Brian Blanco, Photographer
Tampa / Sarasota | FL | USA | Posted: 4:53 PM on 08.12.09
->> Chris,

To be very honest, the best advice I can give you would be this: If you really want to be taken seriously in this business then consider divorcing yourself from that website as soon as possible. I don't intend for that to sound personal, or mean, but I offer it as well-intended advice.

I've looked over that website and the only people getting paid for their work appear to be photography contest winners. If your article is geared toward teaching the website's contributors how to obtain press credentials (presumably to college and pro sporting events) then you can understand why we'd be hesitant to to play along.

If you do intend to write a piece for that website then you have a golden opportunity to change the focus of the story and write an article that explains our concerns and reservations with "citizen journalists" obtaining credentials and giving away their work for free. Email me and I, for one, would be more than happy to go on record explaining why this type of thing hurts the industry.

Respectfully,

Brian Blanco
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Luke Sharrett, Student/Intern
Forest | VA | United States | Posted: 5:12 PM on 08.12.09
->> Chris,

It may come as a surprise, but your involvement with wesay.com might be counterproductive to your business model. It seems as if they're advocating the hiring of non-professional photographers to do work that has traditionally been reserved for professional photographers like you and me. Just a thought.
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TD Paulius, Photographer
Orland Park | IL | USA | Posted: 5:40 PM on 08.12.09
->> 1. Talk to the newspaper or sports publication and tell them you wnat to exercise the First Amendment right of freedom of the sidelines!
2. Go purchase a membership in the IFPO (International Freelance Photographers Organization). For $81 you get a business card that says your a phtoographer and access to a fax machine that will fax the organization of your choice a note saying that you are covering the event for the American International News service. You can even get a baseball cap to wear that says "PHOTO" on its front.
3. Ask your editors why they insist in rights grabs in the terms and conditions that gives them "the royalty-free, perpetual, irrevocable, non-exclusive right and license to use, reproduce, modify, adapt, publish, translate and distribute such material (in whole or in part) worldwide and/or to incorporate it in other works in any form, media or technology now known or hereafter developed for the full term of any copyright that may exist in such material."
4. Find another pub to write for, such as perhaps staring with a small newspaper to get your feet wet. Once the editors take a liking to you and your work, the doors will open and your name will be known on a local scale, even without the benefits of Pure Platinum mebership in the IFPO, with over 78,000 members in more than 143 countries!
5. Take your meds on a daily basis.
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Jason Joseph, Photographer
Dublin | OH | USA | Posted: 5:56 PM on 08.12.09
->> Maybe WeSay.com can hire you to write an article about an amateur photography contest that they are hosting where the winner gets to shoot from the sideline of a NCAA Div.1 football game.
(stir, stir, stir)
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JC Ridley, Photographer
Coral Springs | FL | US | Posted: 8:10 PM on 08.12.09
->> "WeSay's goal is to encourage online users to become involved in the news-gathering process formerly dominated by mainstream, conglomerate-owned media."

"Your news. Your photos. Your voice. WeSay.com."

I missed the part about "your profit."
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Clark Brooks, Photo Editor, Photographer
Urbana | IL | USA | Posted: 8:17 PM on 08.12.09
->> To the nub who game my first post an OT, didn't your READ the OP's original post? The question asked was, "how to arrange press credentials with a local newspaper or sports publication."

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Chris,
Here are the threads you are looking for with advice on how to obtain credentials.

http://www.sportsshooter.com/message_display.html?tid=1990
http://www.sportsshooter.com/message_display.html?tid=29893
http://www.sportsshooter.com/message_display.html?tid=33761

The correct answer to your question you were really seeking an answer to is this:

Photographers seeking to shoot professional sports, college and even high school sports in some states contacts the team's sports information representative for credentialing requirements and submission procedures. If they meet the qualification, then they can submit a request and wait for approval.

In 98% of the cases they will be denied unless, in some cases, they are willing to work for free giving the images and copyright to the league, team or organization or donate a couple $100K in exchange for sideline access. This will not earn them much respect if they are working shoulder to shoulder with full-time working professional shooters.

Instead, photographers with the desire to cover a game should contact an accredited media outlet - including not limited to a wire service, newspaper or magazine - to see if they can work for them and cover the game or event desired. Web sites, blogs and other electronic/online media usually does not cut the mustard with professional sports and NCAA member schools - that might change in the future, but for now only traditional print and broadcast media is given priority.

Negotiating rights, usage and payment with the publication is another topic that deserves its own story and equally important point to cover in the process.

The downside to establishing a relationship with a paper or magazine for newcomers is unless the publication is relatively new, most papers and magazine have a long list of established, proven freelance talent they will call first. Regardless, the shooter should try to get on the person's call list and be ready to respond when the editor calls with a future assignment.

Hope this information helps your article.
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Kevin Johnston, Photographer
Oden | MI | USA | Posted: 8:24 PM on 08.12.09
->> I'm curious. Does WeSay.com pay well for such a story?
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Chris d'Aquin, Photographer
Lawrenceville | GA | USA | Posted: 9:06 PM on 08.12.09
->> Okay, okay, okay! You can put your whips away now. :)

I never intended to write a 'shoot-for-free-just-for-the-credentials' article, and you have given me more resolve make sure it doesn't happen.

I need to talk with my editor to see exactly what his vision is. If his intent is to get photographers to essentially work for free, however, I'll won't write about that.

Just like you guys, I don't shoot for free. And I case you're wondering, I don't write for free, either. Some

William: Thanks for the funny story!

Manuello: Thanks for your good post. Your suggestion in the fourth paragraph is very good. And I really don't think my editor's intent is to help photographers to get credentials for pro and college events because he specifically told me 'local newspaper.'

Luke and Brian: I appreciate your point about separating myself from WeSay.com. I will keep that in mind.

Brian: Thanks for the offer. If my editor changes his mind, I will contact you.
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Chuck Liddy, Photographer
Durham | NC | USA | Posted: 9:07 PM on 08.12.09
->> Geez I go out of town for the day and this thread starts. Seriously? Kinda saying this tongue in cheek but Chris me boy you'd better buy some kevlar and build a bomb shelter. You post a "how to" guide for every GWC to try and apply for credentials and the people that GIVE out those credentials will want your head on a pike after they are inundated with requests. Not to be harsh but this is without a doubt the silliest thread I've ever seen. I actually thought it was a bad attempt at a joke.
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Gregory McKie, Photographer
Seattle, WA and Portland | OR | US | Posted: 9:14 PM on 08.12.09
->> I always get a kick our of reading this story as told by Rod Mar.

"Don't Try This at Home: Don't fake your way into a pro arena"

http://www.sportsshooter.com/news/884
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Chris d'Aquin, Photographer
Lawrenceville | GA | USA | Posted: 9:29 PM on 08.12.09
->> Wow -- more posts since I started to write my response.

Clark: Thank you. Your response is EXACTLY the kind of thing I was looking for. You didn't pull any punches, and I appreciate that.

Thanks for the links, too. I haven't read all of the second one, but the first also offers very good advice. One of my searches should have definitely brought up that one (I searched for +press +credential, along with other combinations).
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Chris d'Aquin, Photographer
Lawrenceville | GA | USA | Posted: 9:48 PM on 08.12.09
->> Chuck: Thank you!

In all seriousness, THANK YOU for that post! I am sure it seems odd for me to say that, but I have never felt completely comfortable about this assignment. You have put it in a way maybe my editor can understand.

If I don't have to write this one, then I can move on to the easier, more benign topics -- things like how to shoot football, why grey market deals are bad news, and maximizing your depth of field.
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Brian Blanco, Photographer
Tampa / Sarasota | FL | USA | Posted: 9:53 PM on 08.12.09
->> Chris,

Your attitude and willingness to accept feedback, advice and criticism will take you far in this business.

Good luck and thanks for being a good sport.

-Blanco
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Chuck Liddy, Photographer
Durham | NC | USA | Posted: 9:55 PM on 08.12.09
->> what brian said. as long as you get away from that idiotic editor.
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Chris d'Aquin, Photographer
Lawrenceville | GA | USA | Posted: 10:46 PM on 08.12.09
->> Kevin: Let me put my pay this way -- it's a lot like some photo assignments.

Since my articles are photo tips, I try to keep them to only 8 to 10 paragraphs. If I can write that in an hour, it's good money. In two hours, the money's okay. Three hours or more? I regret taking the assignment.
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Wesley R. Bush, Photographer
Nashville | TN | U.S. | Posted: 8:31 AM on 08.13.09
->> Suggest the reader contact Mike Olivella. :)
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TD Paulius, Photographer
Orland Park | IL | USA | Posted: 9:05 AM on 08.13.09
->> It must indeed be good pay for you, and better than the standard 10 cents/word have given them the unfettered right to use in accordance with their terms and condictions. Oh yes, you keep your right to register it in the Copyright Office (whciht he wesbiste touts) while they also have the right to do whatever they want with it, profit on it and not account to you for their profits. They can compile your tips and license them to another netzine or incorpoarte them into a book with others of their stable of writers and sell the books, all without any obligation to pay you. Its a rights grab in the generic sense of the terms. Danger, Will Robinson, danger!

Follow Blanco's reccommendations on the story line or focus on not the wannabe aspect but what it takes in terms of talent, availability and determination to join a small daily or weekly.
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Joe Cavaretta, Photographer
Ft Lauderdale | FL | USA | Posted: 7:48 PM on 08.13.09
->> "Your news. Your photos. Your voice. Your job."
WeSay.com.
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Doug Holleman, Photographer
Temple | TX | USA | Posted: 9:50 PM on 08.13.09
->> I really don't see why it's such a horrible idea to publish an article about what goes into obtaining credentials. I'm sure a lot of photographers that haven't had this experience, who aspire to be sports shooters someday, would like to know. I thought education was a good thing.

Who among us hasn't been there? Cast your stones.
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Ric Tapia, Photographer, Assistant
Los Angeles | CA | USA | Posted: 10:07 PM on 08.13.09
->> Its called Networking!
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Jeff Brehm, Photographer, Photo Editor
Charlotte | NC | USA | Posted: 10:40 PM on 08.14.09
->> I guess I should have waited for this thread to share my opinion that only the professionals should be on the sidelines.
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