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Sucks when you lose names
Carlos Delgado, Photographer
Long Beach | CA | USA | Posted: 10:34 PM on 06.11.09
->> While shooting grads walk out after their graduation, my notepad with all my IDs fell out of my bag and somebody picked it up never to be seen again.

Please share your "I lost all the names from an assignment" stories so I don't feel all alone. Thanks!
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David Hague, Photographer, Student/Intern
Pittsburgh | Pa | USA | Posted: 11:12 PM on 06.11.09
->> well if they are still in order you could contact the school and get a list of graduates in the order they walked.
My story tho is worse then your (Sorta) I was shooting a regional match for NCAA school I was at. I parked it the lot and walked across the bridge to the match. After I was walking back and one of the two cards I used fell from my bag and into the water below...I lost 1/2 of my days work in a seccond.
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Nick Morris, Photographer
San Marcos | CA | United States | Posted: 11:15 PM on 06.11.09
->> That's an easy one... I promoted one of our State Representatives to an Assemblyman because I lost my note pad and forgot what his position was. So in my cutlines he was promoted. A stern call from the editor was all it took to prevent it from happening again. The crappiest part was I called the Rep to personally apologize and I was told "oh, it's not a big deal, don't worry about it" But, it was a big enough deal to call and bitch out my editor who in turned passed on the favor.

Don't feel bad it happens.
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Justin Edmonds, Student/Intern, Photographer
Chicago | IL | USA | Posted: 11:48 PM on 06.11.09
->> This is exactly why I use the voice recorder built into my camera the majority of the time. I do on occasion use the notepad. Two weeks ago I was on a flight and since I was sitting in the bulkhead of the plane (thanks to my media pre-board status) I stretched all the way out and fell asleep. The notepad somehow slipped out of my back pocket and I left it on the plane. I got a call from Southwest this week saying that they found it and are shipping it back to me. I'm so glad that I had my phone number on the outside and luckily won't lose any of that information.
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Adam Vogler, Photographer, Photo Editor
Kansas City | Mo. | USA | Posted: 11:57 PM on 06.11.09
->> Been. Done. T-shirt.

One of the main reasons I use the voice notes to. An added bonus is that I have the information readliy available in my RAW archive without having to dig up and search through one of my old notebooks.

My worst was when my notbook fell out of my pocket while driving home and into the street (I drive a jeep). The amazing thing is I actually found it lying in the middle of the road the next morning.
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Chuck Liddy, Photographer
Durham | NC | USA | Posted: 12:29 AM on 06.12.09
->> Geez, I've lost so many names over the years I've forgotten them.....all joking aside....this is a fact of life in the business. I'm the most careless SOB on the planet and STILL after 35 years have never learned a lesson. I still write names on every conceivable tablet available. Receipt from the grocery store? Yup! Matchbook cover? Yup! Used napkin from a fast food joint? Oh Yeah!!! my hand? Definitely! Have I picked up a piece of paper on the ground? Well, yes I have. Hell I even wrote names on a $10 bill with a sharpie...I do have to say though, modern technology is great...a few weeks ago I was shooting features and I couldn't find any of the above "pads" not that it would have mattered since I had NO writing utensil but then I realized my Ipod touch was in my pocket...VIOLA!!!! I realized it had a notepad function! End of story. But it still sucks when you totally lose the names.
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Jonathan Castner, Photographer, Assistant
Longmont | CO | USA | Posted: 12:35 AM on 06.12.09
->> I make a photograph of my note book page after I've entered a name. That way even if my pad is lost my notes will always be with my photos and time stamped to boot. Been doing this for years.
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Thomas Boyd, Photographer
Portland | OR | USA | Posted: 1:08 AM on 06.12.09
->> I'm glad Jonathan brought this up. Shooting my notepad has worked really well for me. I only use the voice recorder when writing is not possible like during a hard rain. I've had problems with being able understand pronunciation with certain letters or forgot to have them spell their name with recorder.

The foolproof way is to write the name down, show it to them to check spelling, put your thumb next to the name and shoot a photo with the person in the background. That way, the notes are with the shoot forever.
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Sam Morris, Photographer
Henderson (Las Vegas) | NV | USA | Posted: 1:10 AM on 06.12.09
->> Jonathan's technique makes a lot of sense. I do it with sports rosters.

What I started doing a couple years ago was to use my BlackBerry to email myself names. I then have them across multiple platforms and don't have to rely on Chuck's method.
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Nick Morris, Photographer
San Marcos | CA | United States | Posted: 1:10 AM on 06.12.09
->> Doh! Mark III has a recorder! Now where the hell is the manual...
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Carlos Delgado, Photographer
Long Beach | CA | USA | Posted: 1:12 AM on 06.12.09
->> While I was getting the kids filing out of the stadium, one of the kids told me my notepad fell out of my bag. I then scoured the empty football field and nothing.

I salvaged a couple of names from picking out the ones in my photos like a needle in a haystack afterwards.

No voice recorder on the D700. I have to keep it old school.
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Joe Kline, Photographer
Pocatello | ID | USA | Posted: 1:18 AM on 06.12.09
->> After losing a notebook full of IDs in the snow for a few hours, I learned the hard way why it's a bad idea to write in non-permanent marker or anything that smears when wet. When I finally tracked the notebook down, I found pages of watercolor paintings.
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Alex Blackwelder, Student/Intern
Powell | TN | USA | Posted: 3:15 AM on 06.12.09
->> I haven't lost names for any big assignments yet, but once my little notebook, which I essentially keep my life in, fell out of my bag at an event. Luckily, I had my number in it and someone called me from the event literally 5 minutes after it happened. It was amazing!
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Alan Look, Photographer
Bloomington | IL | United States | Posted: 8:30 AM on 06.12.09
->> I've done the same as Jonathan Castner in the past but for some reason got out of the habit. It a handy thing to shoot a game roster for later reference. It came in handy a couple of times. Think I'll start doing it again.
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Alan Stewart, Photographer
Corydon | IN | USA | Posted: 9:09 AM on 06.12.09
->> Well ... I didn't really "lose" the names.

While a student at Indiana University Southeast I had the opportunity to go up to Bloomington to cover the Hoosiers' season-opener in football.

The next day I was playing football with some friends ... I guess to best way explain it, I was running east and looking north while another guy was running west right at me. I never saw him. Blammo! My brother told me I looked like Charlie Brown when Lucy pulls the football away.

I remember my toes and chin tingling and thinking I was paralyzed. Everyone asked me the standard "do you know where you are" questions, with the funniest being "Do you know who Deion Sanders got traded to today?" (from 49'ers to Cowboys).

About five minutes later my head got really foggy and I decided it was best to go to the doc since I was already starting to forget things and not know where I was. The memory loss got worse to the point that I remembered little to nothing of the football game the day before. Pretty wild stuff.
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Steve Ueckert, Photographer
Houston | TX | | Posted: 10:01 AM on 06.12.09
->> David Hague wrote:
" My story tho is worse then your (Sorta) I was shooting a regional match for NCAA school I was at. I parked it the lot and walked across the bridge to the match. After I was walking back and one of the two cards I used fell from my bag and into the water below...I lost 1/2 of my days work in a seccond."

If you use a Nikon D3 or Canon Mk II or Mk III, consider keeping a 16 gig card in the second slot and writing medium or even small jpegs only to that card. That way if anything happens to your primary card or the images are scrambled, you have a backup.

On deadline it can be much quicker than running image recovery/rescue and one high capacity card will hold a days worth of medium files.
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Harvey Dunn, Photographer
Southlake (Dallas) | TX | USA | Posted: 10:08 AM on 06.12.09
->> Just went through a graduation/commencement assignment - really wish they had numbers on their jerseys (errr... robes).

A thought for recovering the names - get a copy of the program (which usually contains the names in order) and find a graduating senior who's willing to walk through the pictures and id people. I actually used both to confirm the names in the captions

(
http://media.southlakejournal.com/smedia/2009/06/10/18/0610_slj_news.source...)

Good luck...
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Aaron Rhoads, Photographer
McComb | MS | USA | Posted: 10:21 AM on 06.12.09
->> My handwriting is so poor, I've had doctors laughing at me!

Yeah.

Sometimes.........I can't read what I've written down.
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Dan Powers, Photographer
Appleton | WI | USA | Posted: 10:31 AM on 06.12.09
->> Since we started using Canon Mark II and IIn's, I have only used the audio recorder and it has been flawless. I ask the person to say and spell their name and then I repeat it...which means no mistakes on names. The best part is that you now have a permanent archive of identifications to go with file photos...so if we pull a file photo from our archive and I'm on vacation or just not around, they have all the caption information they need. If you have any type of camera with this option, run with it. Plus your hands stay warm in the winter!
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David Brooks, Photographer
San Diego | CA | USA | Posted: 11:18 AM on 06.12.09
->> This was awhile back, but I was working with a reporter on a story about college students displaced in the wake of Hurricane Katrina. When I arrived the reporter was already interviewing. I started shooting immediately. As the reporter was asking questions and our subject was bringing her stuff out of her dorm, the reporter introduced me. A smile, quick handshake and back to shooting pictures.

Back at the office, I had nice images but realized I didn't have the girls last name. I called the reporter and asked her and she said she completely forgot to ask but could write around that. I was shocked. I had another assignment, but afterwards I rushed back to the college and amazingly found her. I gave the reporter the name- she couldn't believe I got it, SDSU is a very big school.

It worked out but it could have been bad.
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Gabriel Hernandez, Photographer
McAllen | TX | USA | Posted: 12:14 PM on 06.12.09
->> I sometimes try to look through facebook and myspace for spellings and if their faces match up. Might sound weird but it has saved my butt several times.
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G.J. McCarthy, Photographer
Dallas | TX | Lower 48 | Posted: 12:48 PM on 06.12.09
->> Another suggestion:

If you have one, tape your business card to the front of your notepad. On the PORTAGE reporter's and photographer's notebooks, biz cards fit perfectly across the front cover.

Aside from saving you time on writing stuff out, it looks more professional and, in my experience, has led to more returned books. I've had just about every one of the books I've lost (only been a handful that were truly misplaced, though) returned to me when they hard cards on them. The handwritten ones, not so much.

As for the audio recording deal, I use it, too, but have always been a little mistrustful of it (can Imagerescue recover those??) and don't rely on that at all. Mainly, our in-house archiving system, Mediagrid, doesn't accept those files, so they never make it to the servers. As soon as the files are trashed from our laptops, into the void they go.

When I do use audio recording, here's a little trick that works for me: After ingesting in Photomechanic with all our proprietary IPTC stuff, I go to the image in question, then in the Caption line, input (as in type) all the audio information in there, usually inside a series of double asterisks (to be noticeable). That way, once I upload into SCC (Mediagrid) all that info is retained.

The photographing of the notes is something I heard from way back when from Melissa Lyttle and think it's BRILLIANT. Been meaning to do this for a while now; old dog, new tricks, I guess. I already do this with rosters and old business cards, so I don't know what my problem is ...

As for a funny story? Maybe this counts, who knows ...

http://gjmccarthyphoto.com/blog/?p=124

My funniest story about a notebook (it involves gum, two elderly people and some seriously awkward timing) is, unfortunately, archived on my old blog, which is down at the moment. One of these days I'll get around to recoding into my new blog ... probably about when I start photographing my notes, right? Sigh ...

- gerry -
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Hal Smith, Photographer
Sedalia | MO | USA | Posted: 1:11 PM on 06.12.09
->> Does anyone remember the days of film.

Ever shoot an assignment to get back to the office and discover that you had no film in the camera or that the roll had not advanced.

Those were the ....Doh! moments I remember from back in the late 80's and early 90's.

Or even worse; remember the Wing-Lynch, and all the problems came along with it.
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Aaron Rhoads, Photographer
McComb | MS | USA | Posted: 2:06 PM on 06.12.09
->> I remember the Democrat's Wing-Lynch. Do they still have it there?
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Hal Smith, Photographer
Sedalia | MO | USA | Posted: 8:37 PM on 06.13.09
->> Aaron,

The Democrat has been all digital since well before I got here. The Wing-Lynch is long gone.
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Aaron Rhoads, Photographer
McComb | MS | USA | Posted: 9:46 PM on 06.13.09
->> It could make a nice paper weight.
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Steve McLaughlin, Photographer
Middletown/Hartford | CT | USA | Posted: 11:33 PM on 06.13.09
->> I shot the first half of a college soccer game without a memory card! Those where the best shots I ever took. At least I didn't need any names.
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Todd Spoth, Photographer, Student/Intern
Houston | TX | USA | Posted: 2:39 AM on 06.15.09
->> I dont know if anyone has mentioned this in this thread or not, but I just installed the new Iphone 3.0 software and the new voice memos app is amazing for this.
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Michael Durisseau, Photographer, Assistant
Santa Fe | TX | USA | Posted: 11:04 AM on 06.15.09
->> I'm using Recorder on my Itouch...and I can record enough for a story, if I need to...
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Jeff Stanton, Photographer
Princeton | IN | USA | Posted: 11:09 AM on 06.15.09
->> A definite advantage working at a small town newspaper is everyone knows everybody around here.

I have shot many events and by the time I got over to where my main subjects were, they vanished, like at ball games, events where people are moving around and in and out of crowds.

I have returned to the office after getting a secondary shot with names and often somebody at the shop will know who was in my original photos that I was unable to get IDs on.

But I always use pad and paper to write down names. Voice recorders have a tendency to go through batteries and my D300 doesn't record memos.
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Bill Mitchell, Photographer
Tempe | AZ | USA | Posted: 12:16 PM on 06.15.09
->> The hardest part of what I regularly shoot is minor league spring training. Each team has 100+ players in camp, so of course they will have multiple players with the same number. Some organizations, such as the Athletics and Angels, do not put the players' names on their backs. I can usually get a roster and hope that it's current and up to date and I always shoot the lineup cards. I then hope that the duplicate numbers are assigned to a pitcher and a position player, but that doesn't always work. If one player with the same number is a Latin player and the other is an American kid, then I can usually differentiate that way.

The most difficult time I had in identifying players was a couple of years ago when the Athletics had two catchers named Smith playing on the same spring training team ... of course, they were both wearing number 39. I had to ask someone on the team which player was which. I had to jot down identifying facial features for each player.
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Diana Porter, Photographer
Houston | TX | USA | Posted: 3:24 PM on 06.15.09
->> Todd:
Is the 3.0 software out for the iPhone? How did you get it?
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Lindy Cordell, Photographer
Rome | Ga | | Posted: 10:07 AM on 06.17.09
->> I always write my contact info all over my notepads. Once when trying to execute a flawless dismount from a canoe to the riverbank, my notepad fell out of my bag into a pile of horse crap. I didn't even realize it was missing until I was at another assignment. I found out the poo part later, when someone from the paddle found it and they brought it back to me. The next day.

Luckily the event coordinator is a local nature photographer who I know, so I called him up and was able to get IDs on enough people for print. Decide to retire that notebook after that though. After a day in 95 degree Georgia heat, I smell bad enough as it is with the help of a stinky notebook.

Luckily I work in a smallish town and a lot of people around recognize me, so I occasionally get things back that I lose. Never got that Think Tank belt bag with a Nikor 50 1.8, SC-28 cable and Clinique powder back though. Oh well.
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