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Chris Ivin update- What the???
Brett Gundlock, Photographer, Assistant
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Toronto | ON | Canada | Posted: 10:44 AM on 12.25.08 |
->> http://www.sportsshooter.com/members.html?id=1218
People have been talking a lot over the past year about the decline of the quality member on sportsshooter- but this is just ridiculous.
Chris Ivin’s latest update is made up of tight crotch shots from a bikini contest? What the hell? And three shots in a row? Motor drive on a crotch?
Not that I am offended by beautiful girls, but I feel sleezy looking at these photos on SS.
There is always one guy at these events that always has the long lens out and you can only guess what he is shooting. Gross, get a life.
I emailed him and did not hear back.
SportsShooter at a new low? I don’t consider this quality content. |
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Steven Mullensky, Photographer, Photo Editor
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Port Townsend | WA. | USA | Posted: 12:31 PM on 12.25.08 |
| ->> Well, I'm not offended. But, then again, I have red blood.:-) |
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Chris Mackler, Student/Intern, Photographer
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Arlington | VA | United States | Posted: 12:58 PM on 12.25.08 |
| ->> Hey, to each his own. Personally, I think there are more important things to be offended by. |
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Luke Sharrett, Student/Intern
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Norfolk | VA | United States | Posted: 1:02 PM on 12.25.08 |
| ->> I guess no one is forcing you to look at the pictures. If you object to looking at them, then don't. If Chris Ivin wants to represent himself on sportsshooter with those photos, then that's his choice. |
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Ray Anderson, Photographer
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San Francisco | CA | USA | Posted: 1:17 PM on 12.25.08 |
| ->> Thanks for the link enjoyed the photos |
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Ed Coombs, Photographer
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Available upon | NY | | Posted: 1:19 PM on 12.25.08 |
->> Ray- your avatar certainly looks questionable based on the topic of this thread.
thankfully this place is not a democracy! I have yet to be offended by anyones work here. |
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Dave Sizer, Photographer
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Mountlake Terrace | WA | USA | Posted: 1:22 PM on 12.25.08 |
| ->> This from a guy with a photo from a Fetish Fair on his site. Plus if your assignment is to photograph bikinis, why wouldn't you zoom in? |
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Kevin Seale, Photographer
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Crawfordsville | IN | United States | Posted: 1:31 PM on 12.25.08 |
->> Not to mention the Fetish Fair shot you have a shot of a person doing one of the most taboo subjects in America. One so unacceptable that no advertiser would dare to use and is even rarely used by motion pictures any longer. How dare you post a shot of a person smoking a cigarette!!
I'm not really serious. I have no problem with the cig shot but then I also don't have a problem with a close up shot of a bikini that looks like it is made from green beans. For me, it was not close up enough because I still really can't tell what the heck its made of.
Lighten up Francis. |
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Doug Holleman, Photographer
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Temple | TX | USA | Posted: 8:50 PM on 12.25.08 |
| ->> Well, the guy IS from "the land down under." |
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Chuck Liddy, Photographer
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Durham | NC | USA | Posted: 8:54 PM on 12.25.08 |
| ->> Folks it's totally a cultural misunderstanding. Chris is an Aussie....bikini's and beautiful woman are, well, a common sight in the wonderful country of Australia. Brett may have never seen a woman in a bikini. I mean he's from Canada. Certainly not known as the bikini capitol of the Planet Earth. Brett, may I suggest you go to a mall and check out a Victoria's Secret. I mean, she was once was the Queen of England. Their clothes are a bit risque.... Crap, lighten up. It's friggin Christmas. |
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Michael Fischer, Photographer
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Spencer | Ia | USA | Posted: 9:00 PM on 12.25.08 |
->> Liddy.. I'm calling Obama. YOU belong at the State Department.
:):)
Happy Hanukah and Merry Christmas.
PS I thought they were damn good flesh tones....
PSS Chris shot at the 2004 and 2008 OLY.. I'm bet he's good at capturing all sorts of flesh tones.. |
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Chase Smith, Student/Intern, Photographer
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Costa Mesa | CA | United States | Posted: 9:13 PM on 12.25.08 |
->> Really... this thread exists?
Merry Christmas everyone :) |
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Walter Calahan, Photographer
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Westminster | MD | USA | Posted: 9:18 PM on 12.25.08 |
->> Do women of Canada actually go swimming in Lake Erie in bikinis?
Frankly, I'm trying to imagine any woman wanting to wear the Brazilian bikini shown in Chris' images. Well may be the bikinis in frame 8 & 9.
Perhaps all that green, fake vegetable like matter is to conjure up the Amazon rainforest?
It's probably me, but I don't like green, fake vegetable like matter on bathing suits.
Chuck, you like the green, fake vegetable matter? Didn't know Queen Victoria was into green, fake vegetable matter. Learn something new every day.
Brett, perhaps if there where white, fake icicle matter hanging off the bikinis you'd like the shots better? |
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Blaine McCartney, Photographer
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Columbus | NE | USA | Posted: 9:32 PM on 12.25.08 |
->> "Not that I am offended by beautiful girls, but I feel sleezy looking at these photos on SS."
This is coming from a guy who currently has a picture in his lastest up date of a guy on a leash dressed in leather at a fetish fair.
I know you contacted Chris without avail, but I really hope you tried many times before calling him out on the public forum.
As Chuck stated earlier, lighten up. |
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Jamie Roper, Photographer
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Portland | OR | United States | Posted: 9:41 PM on 12.25.08 |
->> Um, you might want to stay outta my gallery too, Brett, given the particular initiation ritual i shot of myself and a couple of hobos.
I don't think Ivin's stuff is offensive, just kinda blah. |
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Myung Chun, Photographer
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Los Angeles | CA | USA | Posted: 10:02 PM on 12.25.08 |
| ->> I don't see a problem with the photos. They're rather tame. Try Googling "crotch shots" and hang onto your chair. |
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Robert Hanashiro, Photographer
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Los Angeles | CA | | Posted: 11:06 PM on 12.25.08 |
->> I remember seeing a gallery earlier this year on an unnamed large newspaper website that consisted ENTIRELY of tightly cropped photos from an international beach volleyball tournament. And there was not a face in any of the dozen or so photographs in this gallery...if you get my drift.
The beach volleyball photos showed A LOT more than the above mentioned gallery...
Just making a point and not passing judgement.
Mahalo!
Happy Holidays! |
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Mark Loundy, Photo Editor
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San Jose | CA | USA | Posted: 12:15 AM on 12.26.08 |
->> Bert,
Why unnamed? If they published it they certainly weren't embarrassed about it.
--Mark |
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Kevin Seale, Photographer
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Crawfordsville | IN | United States | Posted: 12:46 AM on 12.26.08 |
->> "I remember seeing a gallery earlier this year on an unnamed large newspaper website that consisted ENTIRELY of tightly cropped photos from an international beach volleyball tournament. And there was not a face in any of the dozen or so photographs in this gallery...if you get my drift."
I saw that and try to think about it at least once a week, for journalistic inspiration reasons only of course. |
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Michael McNamara, Photographer, Photo Editor
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Phoenix | AZ | USA | Posted: 1:46 AM on 12.26.08 |
| ->> If you're offended, starting a thread about his update with a link to it and saying it's photos of a bikini contest probably isn't the best way to keep eyes averted. |
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Scott Utterback, Photographer
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Louisville | Ky | USA | Posted: 1:48 AM on 12.26.08 |
| ->> Not to pile it on Brett but Chris updated on Christmas Eve and you posted on Christmas morning. Less than 24 hours to respond to an email during one of the biggest holidays of the year is a little unrealistic. |
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Michael Fullana, Photographer
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Miami | FL | USA | Posted: 7:49 AM on 12.26.08 |
| ->> need to lighten up and smile....:) |
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Dave Prelosky, Photographer
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Lower Burrell | Pa | US | Posted: 8:21 AM on 12.26.08 |
| ->> Not to throw much more fuel on the fire, but folks in the US don't seem to realize that other countries weren't originally settled by those dreary Puritans. Cultural standards are certainly different globally - witness the shock at clothing optional beaches in this country and the proliferation of the same in Europe... |
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Alan Look, Photographer
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Bloomington | IL | United States | Posted: 8:41 AM on 12.26.08 |
->> What a way to start the day.
Gotta run, lots of holiday tournaments. |
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Chuck Liddy, Photographer
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Durham | NC | USA | Posted: 9:08 AM on 12.26.08 |
| ->> ahhhh dave.....brett (the originator of this post) is canadian. 8) |
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Matthew Rosenberg, Photographer
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Charlottesville | VA | United States | Posted: 11:02 AM on 12.26.08 |
| ->> If only I had seen these before Christmas. I could have gotten my girlfriend a better gift. |
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Jim Work, Photographer
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Alpine | TX | USA | Posted: 12:42 PM on 12.26.08 |
| ->> Merry Christmas to all..............me thinks some of you obviously did not "get a life" for Christmas. Suggest you look for one in the after Christmas sales......God Spede |
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Steven Ickes, Photographer
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Mechanicsburg | PA | USA | Posted: 1:42 PM on 12.26.08 |
| ->> Nothing really offensive about any of these. If nothing they were uninspiring to the point of being boring. |
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Kevin Johnston, Photographer
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Oden | MI | USA | Posted: 1:47 PM on 12.26.08 |
| ->> Now that we're up to almost 30 posts I think everyone gets the point. Lets move on to something else please. |
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Scott Utterback, Photographer
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Louisville | Ky | USA | Posted: 1:52 PM on 12.26.08 |
| ->> I think everyone is hanging around this water cooler waiting on Brett to come back. |
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Chris Stanfield, Photographer, Photo Editor
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Jon Blacker, Photographer
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Toronto | ON | Canada | Posted: 6:34 PM on 12.26.08 |
->> You know…
…I have found with threads such as this, that (a) women rarely if ever post to them and that (b) none of the men that do find anything innately wrong with the fact that the images in question serve no purpose other than to objectify the women in them.
Let’s spin this a little; if the images in the subject gallery were those of black men being beaten, would the comments be, ‘Get a life, they’re just black guys?’ Not likely. There would be outrage because it’s simply wrong. However, these are just images of the body parts of scantily clad women. Not people. Just objects. Just tits & ass. So it’s okay.
There was a thread not long ago which spoke about a reporter who was hit by small arms fire while covering the uprising in Georgia. The reporter happened to be a woman, and apparently the fact that she was good looking was more important that she was a working journalist who was shot.
It’s in no small wonder that women don’t post to these threads; they’re looking at the comments made, rolling their eyes and having reinforced for them that men don’t get it and that as a group…we’re idiots. They don’t even need to do any of the work; it’s handed to them.
Apparently, you’re not a man if don’t think it’s okay to just look at a woman as though she were a piece of meat. As a society, is it really going to take us as long to realize that it’s not okay to objectify women as it did for us to acknowledge that it’s not okay to beat a black man simply because he’s black?
Think about it. Even for a just second.
It’s not okay… |
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Jeff Martin, Photographer
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wellington | OH | usa | Posted: 7:48 PM on 12.26.08 |
->> "if the images in the subject gallery were those of black men being beaten"
I'm agape. (at least I think I am)
I think these shots were from a fashion show. Typically, and personally, MEN don't give a poop for fashion.
The validity of the point (arguable in my opinion) is completely lost by the incredible analogy.
"Think about it. Even for a just second" |
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Mark Davis, Photographer
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Decatur | AL | USA | Posted: 8:00 PM on 12.26.08 |
| ->> Let's throw a kink into this thread (no pun intended) Did anyone ask if he was paid for the assignment, or did he work for free? Grin |
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Scott Utterback, Photographer
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Louisville | Ky | USA | Posted: 8:03 PM on 12.26.08 |
->> Jon...
Are you seriously trying to compare starring at a woman that is willingly participating in a bikini fashion show to watching a person get beat because of the color of their skin?
Is it right to objectify women as a whole? No. Is it o.k. to enjoy the view of your Hooters waitress? Yes.
Sometimes I think the only thing worse than objectifying women as a whole is belittling them by implying they need a knight in shinning armor to protect them... especially on a pretty tame forum message board.
Just my humble opinion. |
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Chuck Liddy, Photographer
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Durham | NC | USA | Posted: 8:30 PM on 12.26.08 |
| ->> man I think too many people forgot to take their meds the past two days.....and what IS in the water in canada...you guys are VERY touchy. |
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Kevin Seale, Photographer
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Crawfordsville | IN | United States | Posted: 8:38 PM on 12.26.08 |
->> Attention Jon, please report back to earth.
This is a fashion show. These are big events in that industry. The pieces of meat you mention are getting paid, in many cases very, very well. Not beaten or injured in any way unless it was at the Fetish Fair from the OP's images and even those models did it because they applied for the job.
They worked very hard to get in that show. It is an incredibly demanding business and is also a burning in the gut dream for MANY girls across the world. You think competition is fierce in the photography world it does not hold a candle to the modeling industry.
Who are you to label their dream "Not people. Just objects. Just tits & ass." Participating in that show is now a resume item for a model. For her, it is a big deal. You act like she should feel the need to put on a big red letter.
Before you jump to the defense of the poor exploited runway models you might first ask them if they want your soap box. If you ask nicely she might only charge you $200 per hour to take her picture.
"if the images in the subject gallery were those of black men being beaten . . ."
WOW!! Repeating transmission, earth to Jon . . . |
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Jon Blacker, Photographer
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Toronto | ON | Canada | Posted: 9:31 PM on 12.26.08 |
->> Jeff...
That you believe this has anything to do with fashion actually makes my point.
Scott...
Do you think that your Hooters waitress actually had as her career goal when she was a 12 year old girl to serve you your wings & beer in a tight little t-shirt for your entertainment? What about your sister, or your wife? How about a chain of restaurants called 'Packages' when the table servers are men in Speedos. Would that be okay?
To infer that I am attempting to be a 'knight in shining armor' to protect women from being objectified confirms my point that they are in fact being objectified and need someone to stand up and say something. I have no delusions that I'm going to change the world, but that doesn't mean I have to like everything about the one I live in.
Kevin...
I'm very firmly grounded on earth, thanks. Women can and do make their own choices. The fact that any woman would even have to make some of these choices illustrates a major flaw in our culture. Ask yourself WHY it's a big dream for "girls around the world' to become a model in the first place. Women very frequently get into modeling because our society has taught them that their value is in their body; show some of this, wiggle some of that & get paid for it. That it pays a lot of money doesn't justify it.
Do you think that the cosmetic surgery industry has boomed into what it is today because women want to get breast implants, for example, to make themselves feels better about who they are, or because men have told them that they need a bigger bust to have value as a person?
A 2007 RADAR magazine survey showed that 66% of those asked felt that The Pussy Cat Dolls have done more to empower women than Condoleezza Rice; perhaps Ms. Rice should step it up a little and show some skin while dumbing herself down a bit...
That the reactions to my post are telling me that there's something wrong with me are telling me.....it's not me. |
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Chris Mackler, Student/Intern, Photographer
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Arlington | VA | United States | Posted: 9:55 PM on 12.26.08 |
| ->> Hmm I'm looking for a new career...maybe I could be a waiter at this new "Packages" restaurant... |
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Jeff Martin, Photographer
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wellington | OH | usa | Posted: 10:21 PM on 12.26.08 |
->> The fact that any woman would even have to make some of these choices
No women had to make these choices. That's what makes them choices.
66% of those asked felt that The Pussy Cat Dolls have done more to empower women than Condoleezza Rice;
Never heard of the pussy cat dolls but if they are empowering women, good for them. I wasn't aware they needed empowering.
I don't know the first thing about fashion. Jeans and t-shirts is about all I do. BUT id did appear to be a FASHION SHOW.
By the way, I love the reasoning....."the fact that you disagree proves my point" (yeah, I know it's not a direct quote...paraphrased)
I wouldn't be chomping at the bit to get my wings at "Packages", but I'm sure the get a good crowd of women. Ever hear of the Chipendales. They played to packed houses for years.
I've never told a women she needs bigger boobs for any reason. Don't particularly care for bigguns.
But check the point of my post........TO COMPARE THIS TO BEATING A PERSON FOR WHAT EVER REASON kills your credibility. JMO |
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Jeff Martin, Photographer
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wellington | OH | usa | Posted: 10:24 PM on 12.26.08 |
->> "It's not about what you look at. It's about what you see. "
Jon, does that quote look familiar? |
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Jon Blacker, Photographer
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Toronto | ON | Canada | Posted: 10:34 PM on 12.26.08 |
->> It certainly does Jeff, and what I see in this instance is that you don't see the real issue.
"Don't particularly care for bigguns."
Nicely played, Jeff; you just reduced the value of a woman to the size of her breasts. |
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Scott Utterback, Photographer
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Louisville | Ky | USA | Posted: 11:03 PM on 12.26.08 |
->> Jon
I'm sure we will just need to agree to disagree but I will give it one more try.
I am not embarrassed that I find the female anatomy to be stunning... both in parts and as a whole. I also love the female mind, heart and spirit. I believe they are strong, capable human beings that don't need my help to have a great life.
That you are attempting to be a knight in shinning armor doesn't prove they need help... it just proves you view them as victims. "Those poor women... they aren't smart enough or strong enough to know society has forced them to work at Hooters or perform on the catwalk."
If my daughter told me she was getting a job at Hooters I will tell her to be polite, don't take crap from anyone and be sure to put a third of each pay check into savings.
If my son told me he was getting a job at Packages I would tell him to be polite, don't take crap from anyone and be sure to put a third of each pay check into savings.
I know your intentions are good and honorable... I just don't think everyone else needs to be sent to the shed. |
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Michael Proebsting, Photographer
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Barrington | IL | USA | Posted: 11:19 PM on 12.26.08 |
->> If any of you question the value of your $25 membership here, reread this thread. You can't put a price tag on this type of humor.
I think Santa on his way back to the north pole stopped in Toronto and took a tinkle in Brett and Jon's egg nog. What else could get these guys this worked up?
Happy holidays. |
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Dave Amorde, Photographer
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Lake Forest | CA | USA | Posted: 11:49 PM on 12.26.08 |
->> "Posted for your viewing pleasure."
Yes, they were.
And yes, they were. Thankyou Chris! |
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Paul W Gillespie, Photographer
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Annapolis | MD | USA | Posted: 12:29 AM on 12.27.08 |
->> I have to give Chris Mackler props for making me laugh with his line "I'm looking for a new career...maybe I could be a waiter at this new "Packages" restaurant."
If the newspaper business doesn't change for the better, soon, we all may be looking for jobs at "Packages." |
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Mark Peters, Photographer
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Highland | IL | USA | Posted: 12:57 AM on 12.27.08 |
->> Jon -
My stepdaughter works at Hooters. She's done extremely well by them - makes significantly more than her peers(I did her taxes last year and was impressed), was sent to St. Thomas for a month last year over winter break (expenses paid) to help open a store, made several other trips at their expense, and is heading to Germany at the end of January for a week on an appearance tour with them. She was just named their Girl of the Year, and has a host of appearances lined up. She also models (fee based) and has done several calendars. All while carrying an A average in math at a Big 12 University. She's considering either an on-going career with them (likely in marketing) or seeking a job as an actuary.
She doesn't need a knight in shining armor to protect her. She does quite well on her own and has found the experience quite empowering. |
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Jeff Martin, Photographer
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wellington | OH | usa | Posted: 10:34 AM on 12.27.08 |
->> Jeff; you just reduced the value of a woman to the size of her breasts.
I am all powerful.
Jon do you ever look at a woman and think she is attractive? Is this the same or different?
By the way, if I saw a man getting beaten as you describe, I would attempt to intervene. What have you done to stop fashion shows in Canada? |
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Jim Work, Photographer
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Alpine | TX | USA | Posted: 11:10 AM on 12.27.08 |
| ->> going going........... |
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John J. Kim, Photographer
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chicago | il | usa | Posted: 11:21 AM on 12.27.08 |
->> gone.
woo hoo! i've wanted to max out a thread for such a long time. oh, my christmas wish Did come true this year. happy 2009, dear sportsshooter. |
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