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Journalist throws shoe at Bush....
Rafael Agustin Delgado, Student/Intern, Photographer
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Pasadena / Fullerton | Ca | USA | Posted: 12:45 AM on 12.15.08 |
| ->> "who throws a shoe ?" |
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Bill Gaither, Photographer
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Galesburg | IL | United States | Posted: 12:46 AM on 12.15.08 |
->> I saw the video on CNN and the very first that came to mind was the end of Austin Powers when the henchman attacks him with a shoe. I read the cultural representation of throwing shoes in that society but I couldn't help recalling that clip. That said, allow me to share:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5D5oKEVqQJg
"Who throws a shoe. Honestly." - Austin Powers |
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Mike Brice, Photographer
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Toledo | OH | USA | Posted: 1:12 AM on 12.15.08 |
->> I love that he ducked, and popped back up, and then ducked again.
He wasn't hiding under the podium. |
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David Harpe, Photographer
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Louisville | KY | USA | Posted: 1:16 AM on 12.15.08 |
->> It's easy to find humor about it in retrospect, but it could have been much worse. Regardless of how you feel about Bush, the fact that someone was able to almost hit our President with an object at close range is pretty scary.
I'm really surprised the Secret Service didn't react fast enough to block the second shoe. These are the guys that dive in front of bullets. You would think after the first one the guy wouldn't have had a chance at a second toss, even if it happened quickly. |
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Sam Morris, Photographer
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Henderson (Las Vegas) | NV | USA | Posted: 1:25 AM on 12.15.08 |
->> "These are the guys that dive in front of bullets."
Yes, in the movies. If you have never gone through security for a POTUS event, the worst the guy could have thrown is a camera or lens.
But I am guessing you and most Americans don't understand the meaning of throwing a shoe. It is a big insult and has nothing to do with trying to hurt someone. |
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Rafael Agustin Delgado, Student/Intern, Photographer
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Pasadena / Fullerton | Ca | USA | Posted: 1:39 AM on 12.15.08 |
| ->> what I can not believe is that the shoe thrower was not neutralized by Secret Service. The delay of the reaction was amazing. |
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Eric Isaacs, Photographer
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Santa Barbara | CA | USA | Posted: 2:15 AM on 12.15.08 |
->> Good thing he wasn't a dutch reporter - that could have caused some real damage.
(you know, wooden shoes and all... ok, my humor is tainted by the pseudofed cold medicine I consumed an hour ago.) |
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Colter Ray, Student/Intern, Photographer
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San Marcos | TX | United States | Posted: 2:18 AM on 12.15.08 |
| ->> Funny, cuz we just discussed in my J-writing class how hitting something with your shoe is the one of the biggest "F You" moves in that culture |
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Baron Sekiya, Photographer
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Kailua-Kona | HI | USA | Posted: 4:05 AM on 12.15.08 |
| ->> Good thing he didn't shield himself like Martin Sheen's character in the Twilight Zone movie. |
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Bastian Ehl, Photographer
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Magdeburg | _ | Germany | Posted: 4:17 AM on 12.15.08 |
| ->> He threw his shoes for a reason. In the arab world, tossing a shoe at someone is a big insult. |
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Wally Nell, Photographer
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CAIRO | EG | EGYPT | Posted: 6:08 AM on 12.15.08 |
| ->> Yep it is like baring your soul (sole?)... |
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Richard Heathcote, Photographer
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London | . | UK | Posted: 7:45 AM on 12.15.08 |
| ->> All future presidential press conference to be done shoeless...... laundry peg will be standard issue..... |
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Steve Ueckert, Photographer
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Houston | TX | USA | Posted: 7:56 AM on 12.15.08 |
| ->> Was this an "objective journalist" or an editorial writer? |
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Bryan Hulse, Photographer
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Nashville | Tn | USA | Posted: 9:19 AM on 12.15.08 |
->> Yes, nice that the Iraqi journalist can now live in a country where he isn't executed, or at least thrown in jail, by showing such disrespect. I wonder how Saddam would have reacted.
Supposedly the President waved off the Secret Service before the 2nd shoe was thrown, although I didn't see that wave-off.
I think the Pres handled it pretty well. |
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Marc F. Henning, Photographer
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Bentonville | AR | USA | Posted: 9:51 AM on 12.15.08 |
->> i just couldn't stop laughing when i saw it on the new. if it hadn't been our President you would've thought the whole thing was planned. wouldn't Bush would be a great point man in a game of dodge ball. he's got mad reflex skills. he was actually smiling though the whole thing. and that Iraqi reporter, man can he throw a shoe on a rope. too bad they don't have baseball in Iraq. if it had been Ronald Regan in his latter days at the podium he would've had two size 10's imprinted on his forehead before he could say "Well I..."
marc |
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Bradly J. Boner, Photographer, Photo Editor
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Jackson | WY | USA | Posted: 10:42 AM on 12.15.08 |
->> I'm with Richard - Probably no more shoes at presidential press conferences.
After the "shoe bomber" tried to blow up that plane we all had to take our shoes off to get through security. After that, I remember some comedian asking, "Where's the bra bomber at?" |
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Michael Moriatis, Photographer
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Santa Barbara | CA | USA | Posted: 11:44 AM on 12.15.08 |
| ->> An Arab objective journalist? |
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Kurt Vinion, Photographer
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Prague | -- | Czech Republic | Posted: 12:02 PM on 12.15.08 |
->> ->> An Arab objective journalist?
Would you like to expand upon this comment? I take it you have worked in the middle east or southeast Asia and you at least know what you are talking about? |
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Wesley R. Bush, Photographer
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Nashville | TN | U.S. | Posted: 12:06 PM on 12.15.08 |
| ->> I don't understand why everyone says it's very insulting to throw a shoe in the Arab world. It's not like we just brush off someone trying to hit us in the face with a shoe over here in the states. I just wish he would have caught the second one. The first one, he turned into Neo in the Matrix. |
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Wally Nell, Photographer
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CAIRO | EG | EGYPT | Posted: 12:19 PM on 12.15.08 |
->> Wesley, in the Arab culture, showing the sole of one's foot to another is deemed extremely inappropriate and shameful.
The Arab culture is a shame-based culture, and it is a different culture to the West.
An AFP photographer based here in Cairo, took a picture of some head of state with Mubarak, prez of Egypt. But the visiting head of state (I think it was a head of state), sat with legs crossed and with the sole of his foot pointing to Mubarak. The picture was run and subsequently the AFP photographer has had his rights revoked to photograph the president again. In the West we smile about it, but it is a true cultural no-no.
So when a shoe is thrown, it is an even more extreme way of projecting shame on the person on the receiving end. |
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Wes Hope, Photographer
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Maryville | TN | USA | Posted: 12:28 PM on 12.15.08 |
->> Minute 1:27 in the first post's YouTube...
"... pull out troops by 2001 ..."
Does Bush have a time machine? If so, there's a lot of things he could go back and change.
:) |
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Walter Calahan, Photographer
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Westminster | MD | USA | Posted: 1:12 PM on 12.15.08 |
->> Would never have happened if the TSA was in charge.
The guy will be a national hero, and they will pin a medal on him.
I think we all should buy size 10 men's shoes at the Goodwill, and mail them to the White House for Christmas! |
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Georg Moritz, Photographer
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Berlin | Bln | Germany | Posted: 1:36 PM on 12.15.08 |
| ->> Pah, Mrs merkel would shoot back the shoes! What happend with george? |
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Robert Caplin, Photographer
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New York | NY | USA | Posted: 1:38 PM on 12.15.08 |
->> you know...as much as we all might want to throw something at him, there's a difference between wanting to and doing so. first, as much as i may or maynot disagree with his policy and demeanor, i dont want someone hurling objects at him. i want my president safe. this incident looks poorly on americans as a whole, not just gwb. regardless of if you believe bush brought it on himself, he is a representative of the united states of america. he is a representative of you and me. i take it somewhat personally that someone did that to him...especially a journalist. not only did this incident sidetrack the media's (and world's) attention for the reason he was there, but it will also mean even more scrutiny on us as photojournalists. just like the shoe-bomber's ridiculousness has caused us all more time and headache walking through the airport security...this man, who is now a hero to iraqis, will cause us even more of a headache for us as journalists when we cover the president. not to mention the added $ that will go into security, secret service, etc.
respectfully,
robert |
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Bastian Ehl, Photographer
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Magdeburg | _ | Germany | Posted: 1:44 PM on 12.15.08 |
->> ->> An Arab objective journalist?
This comment is a no go-. Ever thought that different cultures have different ways of life and that there isn't a perfect culture? Did you ever made it outside the US? It's due such comments, US citizens aren't welcome on a lot of countries anymore. Just sad. |
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Aaron Rhoads, Photographer
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McComb | MS | USA | Posted: 2:19 PM on 12.15.08 |
->> "shameful" "disrespecting"
Fine. But if the President or whoever can care less about what others think...???
I mean, people all over the world burn the American flag all the time. How disrespectful is that?
So? What do I or we care about their opinion?
Though it seems when the reverse happens, there are riots and people end up getting killed.
I found it funny actually, sorta like a scene from the movie "Naked Gun." |
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Yamil Sued, Photographer, Photo Editor
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Peoria | AZ | USA | Posted: 3:22 PM on 12.15.08 |
->> This is ironic,
Whether you like Bush or not, he is our president at this time. He was the one that initiated the change that gave this Journalist the freedom to throw a shoe to a sitting president. IMHO, Bush should have left Saddam alone to keep torturing, murdering and raping his country, maybe some here in the US and around the world would be happier!! How would you feel if our incoming president was treated like that?? He is our president and should be treated with respect, whether you like him or not. This thread is shameful and show how the journalists have forgotten the meaning of the word "IMPARTIAL". |
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Jeff Lewis, Photographer
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Long Beach | CA | USA | Posted: 3:33 PM on 12.15.08 |
->> That was the funniest thing I have seen since the last stupid thing I have seen him do or say...... So the funniest thing in two days.
..... I did like his reflex skills. Did he learn that move by pissing off his mother or his Wife?
Jeff |
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Mariano Rosales, Photographer
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Montgomery | IL | USA | Posted: 4:17 PM on 12.15.08 |
->> Want to guarantee safety at press conferences? 5 words:
White House Issued Flip Flops. |
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Jim Colburn, Photo Editor, Photographer
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McAllen | TX | USA | Posted: 4:23 PM on 12.15.08 |
->> "An Arab objective journalist?"
How remarkably xenophobic of you. |
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Jim Colburn, Photo Editor, Photographer
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McAllen | TX | USA | Posted: 4:27 PM on 12.15.08 |
->> "He was the one that initiated the change that gave this Journalist the freedom to throw a shoe to a sitting president."
The freedom to throw a shoe? He's been arrested and is being detained. He could face years in prison. No "freedom" at all.
Beside, I'm sure that the previous regime would have been only too happy to allow a journalist to trow a shoe at President Bush. |
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Fj Hughes, Photographer, Assistant
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Baltimore | MD | USA | Posted: 4:44 PM on 12.15.08 |
| ->> Are we seriously discussing this? Can you say "lame duck". |
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Erik Warren, Photographer
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Burlington | NC | USA | Posted: 4:58 PM on 12.15.08 |
->> Not commenting on the meaning of the act or the response by the Secret Service,,,,
I to was amassed at the reflexes of Pres. Bush. I always gave the win to Clinton in the Bush v Clinton game, but I dont know now he was pity darn quick. |
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Doug Holleman, Photographer
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Temple | TX | USA | Posted: 5:50 PM on 12.15.08 |
| ->> There's a rumor going around that the second shoe actually came from the sandy dune. |
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Kevin Leas, Photographer, Assistant
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Rochester | NY | USA | Posted: 6:02 PM on 12.15.08 |
->> Merely speculation here, but after watching the video...perhaps Secret Service did not move with the lightning-quick action we expect because they did not perceive a serious threat? After a thorough security sweep of everyone who entered the room (plus the room itself), they probably felt confident enough that the largest threat to the President was a little leather to the face.
But myself, I would've expected to see anyone acting like that taken out even sooner. Kind of a "better safe than sorry" approach. Either way, I'm impressed with how easily he dodged the shoes. Well played. |
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Kirby Yau, Photographer, Assistant
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San Diego | CA | USA | Posted: 6:27 PM on 12.15.08 |
| ->> Kevin, the Secret Service are meant to take bullets for the president, not size 10s. |
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Jason Fritz, Student/Intern
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San Francisco | CA | USA | Posted: 6:36 PM on 12.15.08 |
->> "An Arab objective journalist?"
Mr. Moriatis,
Perhaps you should do some research on the journalism happening in the Arab world before you illustrate your ignorance in a public forum.
There is a vibrant newspaper culture in the Arab world, with a range of perspectives, doing hard-hitting objective journalism.
I suggest you take some time to explore the media in countries outside your own. It is a great way to gain another perspective. And, in instances like these, it can save you from making a fool of yourself.
All over the Arab world, there are journalists doing amazing work, often times risking the wrath of their governments to speak out against corrupt and despotic regimes in the region. In places like Iraq, they are risking their life.
Newspapers in Lebanon, Iraq, Egypt, the UAE, Palestine and the newspapers that serve the Arab community within Israel, all contribute to a rich tradition of journalism in the Arab world.
Conveniently, there are several that are printed in English, which you can access through the internet, if you care to educate yourself.
http://www.thenational.ae/
http://www.dailystar.com.lb
Also, here is a link to The Charlie Rose show, where Arab journalists talk about covering the Iraq story. Perhaps this will change your perspective.
http://www.charlierose.com/view/interview/8503 |
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Jack McCoy, Photographer
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Baldwin | NY | USA | Posted: 6:50 PM on 12.15.08 |
| ->> I'm starting to regret that I started this thread....not that someone else wouldn't have. |
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Steve Ueckert, Photographer
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Houston | TX | USA | Posted: 7:24 PM on 12.15.08 |
->> Jack--
I, for one, am glad you started this thread.
Now I know the story behind the story, specifically the significance of showing the sole of one's shoe to another in the Arab culture.
We also now have an additional glimpse of the emotions and viewpoints of some of the posters. Not a surprise that this forum is made up of all types, like society as a whole.
If we all agreed on everything this place would be boring.
--Steve |
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Yamil Sued, Photographer, Photo Editor
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Peoria | AZ | USA | Posted: 7:31 PM on 12.15.08 |
->> Jason,
As you can tell by my name, I might know a thing or two about the Middle Eastern culture. Now tell me one thing...
Where's the "hard-hitting objective journalism" in throwing a shoe at a sitting US President??? What if he had done the same thing to the Upcoming President Elect??
The only difference is that some in the International & Local Journalistic community like one and hate the other.
That is the only difference.
The office of the President of the United States of America should be respected, by the public and by the President himself!!
Y |
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Jamie Roper, Photographer
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Portland | OR | United States | Posted: 8:01 PM on 12.15.08 |
->> Is there a good still photo of this? I haven't found one yet, only video.
No matter the politics (ha), it does seem to be a bookend to the series of iconic images from Bush's presidency.
Mission Accomplished. |
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Nathan Papes, Student/Intern
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Springfield | MO | United States | Posted: 8:11 PM on 12.15.08 |
| ->> With an arm like that the Cubs should look into signing that guy. Maybe then they can make it to the world series |
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Steve Ueckert, Photographer
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Houston | TX | USA | Posted: 8:24 PM on 12.15.08 |
->> With tongue planted firmly in cheek
Nathan--
Could be this is how that other legendary Chicago player, Shoeless Joe, got his start. |
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Ron Erdrich, Photographer
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Abilene | TX | USA | Posted: 8:38 PM on 12.15.08 |
| ->> Well, I guess the shoe's on the other foot now. |
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Michael Moriatis, Photographer
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Santa Barbara | CA | USA | Posted: 8:51 PM on 12.15.08 |
| ->> One thing these posts are always good for, overreactions. |
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Ron Erdrich, Photographer
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Abilene | TX | USA | Posted: 8:58 PM on 12.15.08 |
| ->> Well, if the shoe fits... |
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Jeff Martin, Photographer
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wellington | OH | usa | Posted: 9:08 PM on 12.15.08 |
->> Okay, This shoe thrower was by definition NOT an objective impartial reporter.
Jim, maybe this would have been condoned by Saddam. Depends on the time frame. Let's not eve try to pretend that being jailed and charged with assault is even close to what the prior Iraqi administration would have done to deal with this. I'm thinking maybe torture for the thrower and his entire family.
Bush may be a moron ( and I'm being kind here) but he wasn't a murdering sociopath. |
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Yamil Sued, Photographer, Photo Editor
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Peoria | AZ | USA | Posted: 9:22 PM on 12.15.08 |
->> "Bush may be a moron ( and I'm being kind here) but he wasn't a murdering sociopath."
He doesn't have kids that consider Rape and Murder a sport either.
Y |
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