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Canon 5d Mark II
Patrick Murphy-Racey, Photographer
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Powell | TN | USA | Posted: 6:52 PM on 11.26.08 |
| ->> yep, I've got one coming Friday from my buddies up at Roberts... they are shipping kits only right now (5D w/24-105 f/4L), and no batteries or grips at this point, but they'll come soon. Can't wait to get my hands on one.. I'll be shooting video with it on Monday... |
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Shawn Lynch, Photographer, Assistant
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New York / Boston | NY/MA | USA | Posted: 7:52 PM on 11.26.08 |
->> Hey Patrick,
Post the video when you're done w/ it. I'm sure we're all interested in seeing more video from this camera! |
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Patrick Murphy-Racey, Photographer
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Powell | TN | USA | Posted: 8:45 PM on 11.26.08 |
| ->> it will be soft-box lit interview stuff with the 85mm f/1.2L... Laforet is not the only guy on the block with that lens... :) |
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David Harpe, Photographer
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Louisville | KY | USA | Posted: 11:11 PM on 11.26.08 |
| ->> Why in the world would ANYONE want to be first in line for a 5DMkII after the teething problems with the 1DMk3? |
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Pat Farrington, Photographer
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Ft. Collins | CO | USA | Posted: 11:18 PM on 11.26.08 |
->> Patrick,
I've been checking Canon for the status of the 5D MkIIs on order for the store I work at and so far the bodies are still on backorder but the batteries and grip have shipped and should be arriving Friday. I just hope the bodies aren't far behind. |
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Patrick Murphy-Racey, Photographer
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Powell | TN | USA | Posted: 12:29 AM on 11.27.08 |
->> Pat,
weird, it seems the opposite is true elsewhere... you guys will do well with your batts. and grips for the time being...
as for David's comments about the 1DMIII, I have three of them, love them, and have not had problems as others have. I can't explain it???? But dude, getting hold of a non-interpolated full-frame chip with tons of dynamic range, 21 mp, and HD video 1080i for $2600???? Makes me wonder what WILL get you excited man...
I have loved every minute of Nikon's success as of late. For me, it's simply meant that I can buy almost anything used that was rare before the D3. You Go Nikon! Keep that steady supply of white lenses and full-frame cameras coming my way... |
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Dennis Montgomery, Photographer, Assistant
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Ogden | UT | United States | Posted: 12:36 AM on 11.27.08 |
->> I was in the Pictureline store in Salt Lake on Wednesday, Nov 26, and they had gotten a shipment in that morning.
They had one demo model out and were still charging the battery, but one of the sales persons and myself got to "play" with it for a few minutes.
Its going to take a learning curve to learn to setup and use the video effectively, with its new menu options. Interestingly, although the battery LOOKS like the same BP-511 battery that is used on other Canon prosumer models, the contacts have been moved, so get ready to buy another type of Canon battery if you buy the 5D Mark III.
Its going to be interesting to get the reports back from the "early adopters" to see how well the first production models actually perform... |
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David Harpe, Photographer
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Louisville | KY | USA | Posted: 4:01 AM on 11.27.08 |
->> I have three of them, love them, and have not had problems as others have. I can't explain it????
I had two of them and they were fine as well, although I'm now primarily a Nikon guy.
Point is obviously some folks reported issues with the first ones out the door. Canon even admitted to problems when it came out with the submirror fix. There are some things you just don't find out until gear gets into the hands of a lot of users.
With equipment like this - which is pushing new limits - caution would be advised. Hopefully unwarranted, but if it's neat now it'll still be neat in 3 months.
->>But dude, getting hold of a non-interpolated full-frame chip with tons of dynamic range, 21 mp, and HD video 1080i for $2600???? Makes me wonder what WILL get you excited man...
I've been through a lot of "wow"s with technology, so maybe I'm a bit jaded. But in these times before I buy I think a lot more about how a piece of new gear is going to allow me to make more money than the gear I have. If I land a customer that needs/wants 21MP 1080i HD video and is willing to pay for it, I can always pick one up. But in that case I'd probably just rent a proper hidef camera, bill the rental back to the client, and pocket the 20% markup in addition to my fee and be $2,500 ahead. Not always the only reason to buy gear, and at some point I'll probably pick up something like this to screw around with. But it's tight out there...so I'm a little more cautious.
Regardless of your reasons for picking it up, my point is Canon is coming off a bad release with the MkIII, and it might be prudent to let a few thousand 5DMk2's get out in the field before spending your hard-earned cash. |
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Jim Colburn, Photo Editor, Photographer
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McAllen | TX | USA | Posted: 5:32 AM on 11.27.08 |
->> The Second Rule Of Computing:
Never buy version one of anything. |
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Jim Owens, Photographer
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Cincinnati | OH | usa | Posted: 10:03 AM on 11.27.08 |
->> Dave,
So what your saying is that Canon may be releasing a turkey of their own today on Thanksgiving, eh ?
:-)
Jim |
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Chuck Liddy, Photographer
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Durham | NC | USA | Posted: 11:11 AM on 11.27.08 |
->> Here's an idea. Anyone who decides to purchase the first out of the box
models is banned from starting a crybaby thread about "oh why oh why
did I buy the first one". Happy Thanksgiving!!!! 8) |
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Bob Ford, Photographer
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Lehighton | Pa | USA | Posted: 11:25 AM on 11.27.08 |
->> Chuck, sounds like a good rule to me.
Jim Colburn, "Never buy version one of anything."
Wouldn't the 5D be version one, and the 5D Mark II version two?
Maybe the first rule of computing should be never buy version III of anything. |
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Matt McKnight, Student/Intern, Photographer
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San Francisco | CA | U.S.A. | Posted: 1:41 PM on 11.27.08 |
->> I can't wait for the new 5DmkII to be out--it'll put the regular 5D right in my price range!
Hopefully all the people who decide to shoot video on the mkII will invest in some stabilization accessories as well--camera shake bad! BAD!!! |
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Adam Bird, Photographer
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Grand Rapids | Mi | United States | Posted: 3:30 PM on 11.28.08 |
->> I for on just welcome a camera that I can use for some of my commercial and portrait work that will bring me the resolution I need, but at the same time not break the bank. If anybody noticed, the autofocus system is the same as the old 5d. Boo hiss for not having flagship autofocus, but at the same time we know that it works, and works well.
Time will tell what happens next. I've got my money in for this second generation camera, my first 5d. Lets see what the images are like. I can say though that it will most certainly be much cheaper then the D3x. |
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Patrick Murphy-Racey, Photographer
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Powell | TN | USA | Posted: 1:34 AM on 11.29.08 |
->> The camera is pretty cool. I haven't tried any video yet, but as a still camera it's stunning at the higher ISO's. I shot this football game tonight all at 5000 ISO, except for the last four images which were shot with a G-10. These are all shot with the 200mm f/1.8L with a 1.4x. the exposure was 1/500th @ f/2.5. the motor is no where near as fast as the Mark III, but it didn't need to be with high school ball.
soundlsides clip: http://pmrphoto.com/37127
It was such a pleasure to be able to shoot the game in a dark place with all confidence, being able to crop at will (even 1/8th of the frame!!!), and make nice images. It feels weird without the grip, but they'll ship soon. The new battery is awesome. I chimp with the best of them and kept 400 images after deleting. Battery is still showing a full charge...
I really like it and the price is right. 21MP is a lot of firepower at a high school football game in the dark... but 60 meg files are cool no matter where you are, and the full-frame rocks, as usual.
I'll shoot it some more tomorrow, but you guys have to see this one frame... Remember, 5000 ISO from one end of the field to the other with a 280mm field of view... http://pmrphoto.com/5DMII/ enjoy!!!! |
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Steve Violette, Photographer
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Gulf Breeze | FL | USA | Posted: 10:23 AM on 11.29.08 |
->> PM-R
How far out on the field did you run to grab that shot..... |
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Patrick Murphy-Racey, Photographer
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Powell | TN | USA | Posted: 11:13 PM on 11.29.08 |
| ->> I was standing on about the 5 yard line on one end of the field looking all the way down to the opposite end zone... so you're talking 100 yards... |
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Patrick Murphy-Racey, Photographer
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Powell | TN | USA | Posted: 11:21 PM on 11.29.08 |
->> OK, I shot some video tonight at the game, but it's going to take some getting used to. Once you start shooting video, you're all manual focus and you can't see through the viewfinder cause' the mirror is up. So shooting a 600mm f/4.... well, let's just say it will take some getting used to. The 28mm f/1.8 usm is an awesome lens with the 5DMII... It's wide, fast, and has a very short throw in terms of changing focus. Also, you have to get used to being smooth... It does not come naturally to us still folks.
I think the storytelling possibilities are great with this new box. It's going to take a few people some time to get a routine down, get comfortable with it, and start shooting meaningful content.
The difficulties you experience in trying to figure out how to shoot it right all pay off big time when you view the eye candy on a large monitor. Whew! Seeing that 28 f/1.8 wide open in a dark locker room. All that ISO is beautiful and you're just not used to seeing it outside of motion pictures.
I bought the XLR Beachtek adapter-thingamabob-thing which will come Monday so I'll be trying that out with a wireless Sennheiser system then... Looking forward to it!
pm-r |
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Steve Ueckert, Photographer
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Houston | TX | USA | Posted: 12:46 AM on 11.30.08 |
->> P M-R--
Good idea to get a BeachTek, but realize you have no way of monitoring the audio as the vid is rolling.
In time, my bet is within the next month or two, either BeachTek, Canon, or both as a collaboration, will come out with a variation of the BeachTek specifically for the 5D II with an audio monitor plug as part of the package.
Audio is not something that can be run through a raw convertor and saved like a still image. Either get it right the first time or Tuff Stuff.
I shot some test clips on a preproduction 5D II with the 28/1.8 and it is the real deal for video, same for the 50/1.8 and 85/1.8.
Don't forget the tripod.
--Steve |
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Tom Theobald, Photographer
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La Mesa | CA | USA | Posted: 10:28 PM on 12.02.08 |
->> Adam,
Canon rep happened to be visiting local dealer store with a demo 5D MKII today. Had 5min hands-on along with one of the counter salesmen. MKII seems a tiny bit bigger in your hands then the original 5D MKI. Made only one quick video test and playback. Mostly I wanted to test for stills operation and especially the AF speed and responsiveness. I went to the store window, set for AI-Servo, put the focus sensor to center-point and began tracking passing vehicles and multiple targets. The MKII viewfinder array points are exact same as MKI, no difference there. Locking on and tracking multiple moving targets...my impression was MKII's AF is a bit quicker and more responsive. Spent 2-years with MKI and in the few minutes with MKII's AF, can say I noticed a difference. (No time to test for in-focus keepers, had return camera). -T |
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Neil Turner, Photographer
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Bournemouth | UK | United Kingdom | Posted: 4:59 AM on 12.03.08 |
->> I've had my 5D MkII for a couple of days now and it has lived up to my expectations so far. The battery has drained quite quickly, but then it is new and should go through a few cycles before we make judgements. I had been using a pair of 1D MkII bodies and a 5D but I have swapped to the 5D MkII and a 50D whilst I wait for a second 5D MkII to arrive.
I don't shoot sports, I rarely go above 800 ISO and most of my work is portraits and features so I am probably not the best judge but I feel right at home with this camera. The flash exposure seems to be far better on both the 5D MkII and the 50D than on either the 1D series or the original 5D.
As a RAW shooter, I have upgraded to Photoshop CS4 - something I would have avoided by choice, but the new ACR is great. The tabbed image windows and the infinitely variable zoom with aliasing are both big leaps forward for me.
All around, I'm a happy boy!
Neil. |
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Jim Colburn, Photo Editor, Photographer
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McAllen | TX | USA | Posted: 11:56 AM on 12.03.08 |
->> "Maybe the first rule of computing should be never buy version III of anything."
The full text of the Second Rule of Computing is:
"Never buy version one, or version X.0, of anything."
I was simplifying it.
The First Rule Of Computing is, of course:
"RTFM" |
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Todd Spoth, Photographer, Student/Intern
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Baltimore | MD | USA | Posted: 7:19 PM on 12.03.08 |
| ->> i guess im young and dont care too much about dumb rules, no offense. that said, my new 5D II is in my hands today and im lovin it so far! |
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Garrett Hubbard, Photographer
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Washington | D.C. | USA | Posted: 8:26 PM on 12.03.08 |
->> Neil,
Do you have to upgrade to CS4 for Adobe Camera Raw to open the 5D mk II files? If so, that would be a major bummer. |
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Jack Kurtz, Photographer
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Phoenix | AZ | United States | Posted: 8:53 PM on 12.03.08 |
->> Garrett,
The quick answer is yes. But there are work arounds. They are 1) download Adobe's free .dng converter and turn the .cr2 files into .dng files and then open them in CS3. That works. The other is to use Lightroom. LR vers 2.2 will support the 5D MkII.
jack |
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Darron R. Silva, Photographer
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Granite Falls | NC | USA | Posted: 9:16 PM on 12.03.08 |
| ->> Or you can use canon's software, which many say creates the best files, though it is painfully slow and clunky. |
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David Stephenson, Photographer
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Lexington | Ky | USA | Posted: 10:19 PM on 12.03.08 |
->> Here's a first attempt with the video part of the camera:
http://www.davidstephenson.com/rocky_906.mov
Still working some blips out, but you'll get the point.
Shot in about 90 minutes. All available light (with the help of some industrial halogens). Most if not all was shot in the high ISO range (3200-6400). I used a Sennheiser wireless mic which worked surprisingly well since I couldn't monitor it. It's a bit hot so I might turn it down (at the mic) next time.
Interviews were on a tripod, the rest was handheld. Everything was shot with the 24-105mm f/4 IS lens (this is the lens, I believe, that comes with the kit).
I thought it was a pretty good test of the camera (crappy light, etc) and I'm frankly sold on it. Post production was a bit of a bear but I think we'll all get the kinks worked out the more we use it.
So long, XH-A1. |
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Patrick Murphy-Racey, Photographer
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Powell | TN | USA | Posted: 10:32 PM on 12.03.08 |
->> Dave, it's an amazing piece.. looks beautiful--absolute eye candy.
any idea what the pulsing light was in the gym manager's interview? Loved your home depot lighting job man, looked great! was that there or was that your stuff?
I shot a short clip of my first for money job with the camera when our new head football coach was introduced this week. My first time was a good experience...
I bought the Beachtek unit but it didn't arrive in time for me to do the shoot. but I used the 50mm f/1.4 wide open to shoot my first little clip and it worked really well... Awesome really, in spite of my inexperience... the on obard microphone wasn't great, but you could hear everything he had to say...
I shot hoops on strobes for the first time tonight and was really impressed by the images I saw, and the little video that I captured as well... you're right about the 24-105L... it's an awesome lens to go with that body... patrick |
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David Stephenson, Photographer
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Lexington | Ky | USA | Posted: 10:56 PM on 12.03.08 |
->> Ha! Gotta love Home Depot light kits. But the lights were there. I just turned them to hit the wall. The pulsing light was a wacked out fluorescent.
It's truly a helluva camera. And there is going to be a bit of a learning curve both with the camera itself and the post production work flow. What I've been used to with my XH-A1 is NOT going to work so I have to relearn some things. It'll be worth it though.
I used a mini-shotgun mic (Sennheiser) for a bit and wasn't impressed with the sound quality. It was convenient - slid right in the hot shoe - but I might try some others before buying one. The wireless is going to be a must-have.
And there certainly are some limitations besides audio. (I'll await your report on the Beachtek before I buy!) It will be tricky to get shallow DOF in bright light, for example, since the shutter speed tops out at 125th.
Good to see you Saturday - good luck with the new guy in town. (UK should hire Fulmer) |
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Alex Menendez, Photographer
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Orlando | FL | USA | Posted: 11:12 PM on 12.03.08 |
->> Very nice David!
alex |
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Nick Adams, Photographer
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Houston | TX | | Posted: 11:12 PM on 12.03.08 |
| ->> David - Thanks for posting. It makes me happy that I get mine tomorrow! |
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Patrick Murphy-Racey, Photographer
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Powell | TN | USA | Posted: 11:35 PM on 12.03.08 |
->> here is a sample image from the 5D Mark II on strobes from tonight's game:
http://pmrphoto.com/5dt
It's one frame that was originally shot on large jpg and then I cropped around 600 pixel images out of it to show the resolution... which is CRAZY. Before you poke negative stuff at this non-scientific test, look closely at the first image to see what I'm cropping out of it. Amazing...
The new 5D is as good as my 1DS Mark III at 1/3rd the price... |
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Patrick Murphy-Racey, Photographer
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Powell | TN | USA | Posted: 11:35 PM on 12.03.08 |
| ->> ps. Roberts is shipping me three more batteries and a grip for Monday... can't wait!!! |
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Garrett Hubbard, Photographer
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Washington | D.C. | USA | Posted: 11:57 PM on 12.03.08 |
->> David.
Well written and well shot! That piece begged for nat sound! punching, taping, grunting, etc. It could really help with the pacing and allow you to skip the canned music. Nice work on holding the camera steady. Looked like you were shooting with a much heavier camera by the lack of camera shake. I'm stoked we're gettin' some! Can't wait to use it on my shoots. |
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Daniel Putz, Photographer
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Jefferson | MD | USA | Posted: 12:15 AM on 12.04.08 |
->> David, A-maze-ing. Truely excellent work and a great story! Those small boxing clubs are really nice to work with...but not always IN. I noticed the lights cycling in the background of the interview shot. Or am I seeing that wrong?
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I'm still waiting for mine (pre-ordered months ago) from Mr. Snyder. I haven't heard anything from him in days. :(
I can't wait, I have some cool ideas in the pipe to try out. |
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Myung Chun, Photographer
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Los Angeles | CA | USA | Posted: 2:18 AM on 12.04.08 |
| ->> Great work David. It's nice to see a PJ example from the camera. I would love to have one for shooting low-light, b-roll as my Sony V1U just kills me in dim light. |
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Neil Turner, Photographer
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Bournemouth | UK | United Kingdom | Posted: 4:22 AM on 12.04.08 |
->> The question about having to upgrade to CS4 to be able to use ACR with the 5D MkII RAW files has been answered already, but "yes" it is true, the files will not open directly into ACR on CS3. The upgrade cost me £130 inc VAT (UK sales tax at 17.5%) per license.
I'd be interested if anyone else shooting with the 5D MkII and converting using ACR in CS4 is having the same experience with blacks. The standard setting for blacks on ACR has always been +5 and this has been a great starting point with every other camera (1D, 1D MkII, 5D, 20D, 40D and 50D) that I have had but it is usually too much for the 5D MkII - I am using +1 and that seems to be enough.
This is the only difference that I have noticed so far, apart from the effect that very low levels of sharpening seem to have - the images sing with about +50 on a 0.8 radius whereas other cameras with fewer pixels needed +70 or +80 to do the same.
Neil |
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David Stephenson, Photographer
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Lexington | Ky | USA | Posted: 7:14 AM on 12.04.08 |
->> "Well written and well shot! That piece begged for nat sound! punching, taping, grunting, etc."
Garrett, you're right about the nat. sound. It can be as much or more of a contribution to the story as the visuals. This may be one of the more frustrating parts of this camera, though. We're going to have to find a good solution for the audio - a good, compact shotgun that can be put on the hot shoe will be great.
Otherwise, recording nat sound with another recorder may be the better way (which of course I didn't do that night).
The light camera does help with camera shake, but not having the ability to stabilize it against your face (looking through the viewfinder like we're used to) eliminates some stability. BUT, that image stabilization, especially on the wide side, makes a HUGE difference.
Patrick - you won't regret the extra batteries. The video sucks the life out of them and fast. And I'd suggest a minimum of an 8GB CF card as fast as you can afford and have a few on hand. I blew through two 8GB and a 2GB and had to change the battery in the 90 min. I was there. |
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Steve Ueckert, Photographer
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Houston | TX | USA | Posted: 9:00 AM on 12.04.08 |
->> David--
Consider the AudioTechnica ATR-55 (~$80 @ B&H) shotgun mic. I've used this mic for more than two years with both an Ederol, two different vid cams and a test I did with a preproduction 5D II. It is far superior to the 5D II built in mic. It is my bread & butter mic.
Another mic at the same price point is the Sony consumer oncam mic "ECM-MS908C Stereo Condenser Microphone for Video" also @ B&H. If you work in stereo, particularly for your nat sound or B-roll audio, this is an excellent tool. I also have used this mic for more than two years. For web production needs it is more than adequate. I use this mic ~ 20% of the time, mostly for B-roll. If I am working a situation with more than one person talking, I go to this mic.
Both of these mics will mount on the 5D II hotshoe and are a quick & dirty method to improving the audio of the new camera. Running a lav through a BeachTek wouldn't hurt either. But if you try to use one of the best features of the BeachTek, that is to balance two different mics into one input, without a realtime audio monitor (quality headphones), it ain't gonna happen, yet.
One essential thing to remember is that you have no provision (yet) to monitor the audio with a 5D II. Test and test again your mics to know with as much certainty as possible that you are getting good clean audio. Then toss the dice.
--Steve |
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Steve Ueckert, Photographer
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Houston | TX | USA | Posted: 9:03 AM on 12.04.08 |
->> That should read "certitude" rather than "certainty." Where's my coffee?
--Steve |
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Daniel Putz, Photographer
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Jefferson | MD | USA | Posted: 11:31 AM on 12.04.08 |
->> "Very little software available to the prosumer/consumer for editing footage"
What? That statement is full of crap. |
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David Harpe, Photographer
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Louisville | KY | USA | Posted: 12:47 PM on 12.04.08 |
->> Drew's video comments
There's no arguing that some of the issues he brings up are true. But he is speaking from ignorance and not from a position of knowledge. All of the points he mentions are pretty much the same kind of issues you'll find with either an HD camera or a point-and-shoot style video/still camera.
If you've ever tried to edit true HD on a low-end setup, you'll find yourself in the hurt box really quick. Most low-end NLEs can't handle it, and you're in a world of pain without fast hardware.
If you shoot with a real pro HD camera - not an XH-A1, a real $20k+ HD camera...which is what it takes to get that shallow DOF look - you're going to be using manual focus because that's how most pro lenses work. If you're shooting at f/2 you're really going to have to squint to keep focus.
Need a tripod? You bet. There's a reason TV news guys lug around $3,000+ Vinten tripods everywhere...'cause the video looks bad otherwise.
External audio? Again, find me a camera that DOESN'T sound better with real mics instead of the built-ins. Pro cameras don't even come with microphones, and the G9/G10 audio isn't something to write home about.
The 5DMk2 isn't meant to replace a true pro HD video setup. It doesn't pretend to do this. What it does allow is access to a very high-end look for not much money, and it has enough flexibility to make the annoyances workable. It's a good trade-off. |
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Jeff Lewis, Photographer
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Long Beach | CA | USA | Posted: 1:08 PM on 12.04.08 |
->> Just got a 5D Mark II. I'm going to play with the camera at the Chargers/Raiders game tonight.
I read the post at the Prophoto site and it does not change anything I feel about the camera. I don't shoot video and really have no use for video...... yet. I see the camera as a very good full frame, 21mp still camera with video capabilities as an extra added bonus.
You also have to look at the fact that this is the first still camera to have video features so there are probably going to be a lot of things that need improving with that. When the original 1D came out, even though it was not the first digital camera, it was the first of the "1" series and the battery life couldn't make it past a 1 gig card, the white balance was horrible, it was only 4mp.... It did focus well though.... probably the best out of all the 1D's since then, they should go back to that........ The point is that you have to start somewhere and its not a video camera, but a start in that direction.
As far as the other features, I really have not shot with it yet but I did look through it and I did go through the settings and I'm very happy. My fisheye is......actually a fisheye. I'm happy with the 21mp and the full frame and that exactly why I bought it. I'm really not shooting sports with it so as long as it focuses in one shot mode and takes large, dynamic pictures, I'm happy.
Jeff |
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Jeff Lewis, Photographer
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Long Beach | CA | USA | Posted: 1:13 PM on 12.04.08 |
->> ...... First "Canon" EOS Still/Video camera.
Sorry if that confused anybody. |
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Ian L. Sitren, Photographer
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Palm Springs | CA | USA | Posted: 1:34 PM on 12.04.08 |
->> I saw that 'review" this morning. It reads more like someone looking for a cause to champion and rally than anything else.
Have you seen this video shot by Dan Chung...
http://www.vimeo.com/2327058
Pretty amazing! |
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Walter Calahan, Photographer
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Westminster | MD | USA | Posted: 2:38 PM on 12.04.08 |
->> Dig the lenses Dan used on his Canon 5D mk II for the video.
All sweet glass!
I still don't see the Tintype menu option. |
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Rodrigo Pena, Photographer
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Palm Desert | CA | USA | Posted: 4:41 PM on 12.04.08 |
->> Ian thanks for posting Dan Chung's video. Nice light. I clicked on his other video on the Vimeo site:
http://www.vimeo.com/2351776
and it shows the ability to manually adjust the aperture. I'm glad to see that there is some kind of manual adjustment. I also think it's neat to see that Chung adapted his Nikon lenses to fit the Canon 5D MkII. |
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