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New apple laptops, glossy screens only.
Karl Anderson, Student/Intern, Photographer
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Lubbock | TX | USA | Posted: 2:40 PM on 10.14.08 |
->> http://www.apple.com/mac/
The 4gb ram option with the 128gb solid state drive and 2.8 Ghz processor looks pretty tempting.
...Too bad it has a glossy screen |
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Brett Flashnick, Photographer
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Columbia | SC | United States | Posted: 3:02 PM on 10.14.08 |
| ->> The ability easily access the hard disk drive, making upgrades possible without having to disassemble your entire notebook is a real plus. However, only having a glossy screen available, and a FireWire 800 port and no 400 port are both negatives to me. Fortunately I purchased a MBP earlier this year, so I have some time until I need to worry about purchasing new hardware. |
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Kevin Leas, Photographer, Assistant
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Rochester | NY | USA | Posted: 3:18 PM on 10.14.08 |
->> Macbook with DVD burner for $1,000 now - hoozah!
I've never been able to see the screen of my 12" Powerbook outdoors (which is where I hear glossy hurts the most), so this glossy thing doesn't sound like a deal breaker to me. Just my two cents. |
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Kevin Clifford, Photographer
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Reno | NV | United States | Posted: 3:20 PM on 10.14.08 |
->> The FireWire 800 port allows you to plug in the FireWire 400 cable and transfer. It's just not as fast as the 800. But for the MBP, having a no matte screen option, no click button (built into the track pad) and only two usb ports sucks and I wont buy one until they at least give the option for a matte screen. Also, I'm still waiting for the 13 in MBP :(
The things I do like:
Faster AirPort
Better GPU
Still an Intel Processor |
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David Seelig, Photographer
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Hailey | ID | USA | Posted: 3:35 PM on 10.14.08 |
| ->> matte screen please give feedback |
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Scott Morgan, Photographer
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Rockford | IL | United States | Posted: 3:38 PM on 10.14.08 |
->> "I've never been able to see the screen of my 12" Powerbook outdoors (which is where I hear glossy hurts the most)"
The MacBook screens are dramatically brighter than the old Powerbook screens. So outdoor use isn't nearly as big an issue.
I agree that a matte option would be better, but I lived with a MacBook screen for a year, and it really wasn't as big a deal as I feared. The problem wasn't so much the glare, it was that everything looked TOO pretty on it. I would under-tone images. The death of Firewire sucks though (mainly because I have firewire drives.) |
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David Harpe, Photographer
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Louisville | KY | USA | Posted: 3:41 PM on 10.14.08 |
| ->> They look kinda goofy - a lot like a Sony Vaio. |
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Andrew Worrall, Student/Intern, Photographer
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Columbia | M0 | | Posted: 3:42 PM on 10.14.08 |
| ->> Feedback left. I also value a matte screen and click button. Not a huge fan of the new keyboards - I like my current macbook pro one, but that is a change I can handle. |
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Steven E. Frischling, Photographer
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Live HVN : Work SFO-NYC | | | Posted: 3:52 PM on 10.14.08 |
->> I didn't see this and just posted a thread asking if Apple hates photographers.
It is bad enough there is no really portable MacBook Pro, but now glossy screens only on the 15" and 17" models as well?
Are they $£@&ing kidding me? |
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Todd Kirkland, Photographer
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Dallas (Atlanta) | GA | USA | Posted: 3:56 PM on 10.14.08 |
| ->> I like glossy screens and miss my screen from my old Dell. I dont understand all the hate on glossy personally. |
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Steven E. Frischling, Photographer
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Live HVN : Work SFO-NYC | | | Posted: 4:07 PM on 10.14.08 |
->> Todd,
Have you tried colour correcting with a glossy screen?
Ever worked outside with a glossy screen?
Have you tried to work in a very bright room with a glossy screen?
Have you tried to adjust the dynamic range of an image with a glossy screen? |
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Al Goldis, Photographer
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East Lansing | MI | USA | Posted: 4:12 PM on 10.14.08 |
->> The problem with the screens on the new MacBook and MacBook Pro is worse than just being glossy and not offering a matte option.
The previous MacBook has an actual glossy LCD screen, complete with a fairly effective anti-reflective coating. The new machines appear to have an untreated piece of glass over the whole screen (similar to the Aluminum iMac). Obviously, I haven't seen one in person, but if this is the case then it will be much more reflective than the old MacBook. |
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Bastian Ehl, Photographer
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Magdeburg | _ | Germany | Posted: 4:20 PM on 10.14.08 |
| ->> Feedback left. |
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Michael Schwarz, Photographer
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Decatur | GA | USA | Posted: 4:25 PM on 10.14.08 |
| ->> Anyone heard when these are supposed to be available to look at in a physical store? |
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Glenn Connelly, Student/Intern
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San Diego | CA | US | Posted: 4:40 PM on 10.14.08 |
| ->> I believe they will be in stores tomorrow... |
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Kevin M. Cox, Photographer, Assistant
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Galveston / Houston | TX | US | Posted: 4:42 PM on 10.14.08 |
->> My local Apple store said they should have the MacBook Pros in store to play with tomorrow or the next day.
On another note, the 17 inch MBP hasn't been updated and is still available with a matte screen. |
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Bastian Ehl, Photographer
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Magdeburg | _ | Germany | Posted: 4:48 PM on 10.14.08 |
| ->> I think I will ride my current MBP to death and then move on to whatever laptop with a matte screen is available - Apple or not. |
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Joel Kowsky, Student/Intern, Photographer
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Columbia / Morris | MO/IL | United States | Posted: 5:45 PM on 10.14.08 |
->> Kevin,
" The FireWire 800 port allows you to plug in the FireWire 400 cable and transfer."
The two ports aren't pin compatible like USB 1.0 and USB 2.0 The cables and pin layouts are different... So unless someone comes out with an adapter of sorts the only way that you can use FW400 would be through a FW400 expresscard...
I really hope enough people complain that they bring back FW400 like they did with the FW800 port on the original MacBook Pro's
Now it's just a game of wait and see until they update the 17" MBP... |
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Al Goldis, Photographer
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East Lansing | MI | USA | Posted: 5:55 PM on 10.14.08 |
->> There are FW800-FW400 adapters and cables.
Many FW800 devices even include an adapter or cable. |
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Walter Calahan, Photographer
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Westminster | MD | USA | Posted: 6:23 PM on 10.14.08 |
->> I'm so glad Apple just replaced my 17" MacBook Pro before the switch to glossy.
10 months and three logic boards later, Apple throw up their hands and gave me a brand new machine with faster CPUs and a larger hard drive at no extra cost. |
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David Harpe, Photographer
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Louisville | KY | USA | Posted: 6:27 PM on 10.14.08 |
| ->> I think it's time for you mac folks to bring back the 90's "glare screen" fad. Remember those velcroed-on nylon or polarized glass things you could stick to the front of your screen? Would fix it up right nice. Just add the cost into your "Apple Tax"... :-) |
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John Scarpa, Photographer, Student/Intern
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Bedminster | NJ | United States | Posted: 7:02 PM on 10.14.08 |
->> Dam Walter what did you do to the poor thing? hahaha I left feedback for apple on their glossy screens too.
What about the people who can not afford to jump for the $2800 17'' mbp with a matte screen? Especially students who are trying to pay for college. Hopefully my white macbook makes it through college.... |
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Todd Kirkland, Photographer
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Dallas (Atlanta) | GA | USA | Posted: 7:13 PM on 10.14.08 |
| ->> Steven.. Yes I have color calibrated all my screens and have used both my glossy screen and matte screens outside. Basically Neither works worth a crap in sunshine and for the most part I do not edit outside. Think Tank makes a nice little product that I suggest anyone look at if they in fact do alot of editing outside. Ive owned and used both.. Id be willing to bet that most that hate on the glossy are just repeating what they have read on forums. To each their own.. I now use the matte screen but I do miss my glossy. |
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Al Goldis, Photographer
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East Lansing | MI | USA | Posted: 7:30 PM on 10.14.08 |
| ->> From what I have seen, aside from here where we're all professional photographers, there is very little "hate on the glossy" from the average user around various forums. Most of the unwashed masses like that it's pretty and shiny and don't care that they can only kinda see what's on the screen through the reflections of what is behind them. They just turn up the brightness and as long as they can read their text they're fine with it. |
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Garrett Cortese, Photographer, Photo Editor
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Winter Park | FL | USA | Posted: 7:44 PM on 10.14.08 |
->> From engadget.com's live coverage of the release -- a Q & A session following the presentation.
"11:01AM Q: Concern about the glossy screens. Are you going to offer another option?
A: Steve: We're going all glass -- we won't offer another version. Phil: You offset the reflection by the brightness, and consumers love it. One of the great things about a notebook is you can turn it however you want!" |
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Bastian Ehl, Photographer
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Magdeburg | _ | Germany | Posted: 7:51 PM on 10.14.08 |
->> "One of the great things about a notebook is you can turn it however you want!"
Haha, better it should read: "How you are forced to turn it to avoid reflections." |
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Wade Barker, Student/Intern, Photographer
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College Station | TX | USA | Posted: 8:08 PM on 10.14.08 |
| ->> I've been using a Macbook with a glossy screen for a while and I have no problems editing or color correcting on it. Still prefer to do that on my calibrated monitor on my tower but but doing on the fly at assignments on the Macbook works fine for me. I'm considering upgrading to one of the new Macbook Pro's and the screen won't be a concern for me. |
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Steven E. Frischling, Photographer
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Live HVN : Work SFO-NYC | | | Posted: 8:29 PM on 10.14.08 |
->> Todd,
I currently use both a 15" PowerBook, matte screen and a 13" MacBook, glossy screen.
In the past year both laptops have traveled around the world with me shooting assignments. I can tell you that I prefer the 13" for travel and portability, but cannot stand the screen.
I have tried to calibrate the screen more than once, but I never get consistent results. I can also tell you that while sitting in an building with bright overhead lights I get annoyed by the reflection of the lights on the screen. The 'white boxes' dancing on my screen are a distraction and make working on an image more difficult. Sitting on a train, a plane or in car, the glare off the MacBook screen makes viewing it much more challenging that from a Matte screen.
While I am not a fan of traveling with a 15" laptop, I can sit in any building, with nearly any type of light and not have any glare on my screen. Additionally when I colour correct on my 15" PowerBook I generally have an idea of what my colours will look like. On trains, planes and in cars I have a MUCH easier time seeing my matte screen than I do my glossy screen.
So no. I am not repeating something I have read online. I am speaking from my own experiences of using both a matte and a glossy screen under very similar circumstances in a variety of similar scenarios. |
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David Harpe, Photographer
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Louisville | KY | USA | Posted: 9:26 PM on 10.14.08 |
->> Maybe you could go with an aftermarket screen?
http://www.lcds4less.com/apple-laptop-screens.shtml
I've ever used these guys, but if you click on some of the panels they say, "This panel is not high gloss, but may be upgraded for $50.." |
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Kevin Leas, Photographer, Assistant
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Rochester | NY | USA | Posted: 12:01 AM on 10.15.08 |
->> "Firewire 400 to 800 cables are ridiculously cheap at http://www.dbldistributing.com"
Yes, if you happen to be a retail shop with an account set up with them. They're a wholesale distributor for retailers, you or I couldn't just order one from them.
Sorry, back on topic...I somehow completely neglected the fact that my last work computer was actually a company issued 13" MB with a glossy screen. And yes, come to think of it, it was kind of a pain in the butt, since it looked so much better than the photos actually were. You'd have to overcorrect the images until you thought your eyes would explode, and then they'd finally look good in the paper.
But, I see this announcement as a good thing. New computers = lower prices on used ones, which means an old MBP with the matte screen will be cheaper than ever now. Hooray! |
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Karl Anderson, Student/Intern, Photographer
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Lubbock | TX | USA | Posted: 1:01 AM on 10.15.08 |
| ->> Anyone want to trade their canon 200 f/1.8 for a 15" matte screen macbook pro? |
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Robert Hanashiro, Photographer
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Los Angeles | CA | | Posted: 1:05 AM on 10.15.08 |
| ->> QUESTION: Does any computer-maker design, manufacture and sell a computer ONLY with the photography market in mind? |
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N. Scott Trimble, Photographer
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Lake Oswego | OR | USA | Posted: 1:08 AM on 10.15.08 |
| ->> Kevin, I am not a retail shop and I have bought several cords from them. Call them |
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Homer Provonche IV, Photographer
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Avon | CO | USA | Posted: 1:47 AM on 10.15.08 |
->> I have been waiting for this day to come and yet I am some how unamazed. Do I get the "new" Macbook Pro or buy a cheaper "old" Macbook Pro? I couldn't wait to switch to Apple. While I have never owned a laptop with a glossy screen, the majority of comments are suggesting that it's a bad idea, I don't know if I want to. I have a hard time watching tv with window glare. The track pad however looks interesting. I think that I am going to wait as long as I can for some performance tests between the old and the new and hope if the old is not too far behind I can still get one for cheap. With Apple's increasing market share I can only assume that they are trying to appeal to more people. Even though they changed to glossy screen I think that most Apple comsumers will stay. Chances are they will appeal to more consumers with the "brillance" of the new screens.
I think Lenovo has a new laptop that is just about as close as you can get to a photographers computer. Now if they could only make it an inch or so thinner and without any ties to Microsoft. |
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Aaron Rhoads, Photographer
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McComb | MS | USA | Posted: 3:08 AM on 10.15.08 |
| ->> I'm staying with my Apple 2e |
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Daniel Putz, Photographer
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Jefferson | MD | USA | Posted: 8:42 AM on 10.15.08 |
| ->> SadMac loves company. |
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David Harpe, Photographer
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Louisville | KY | USA | Posted: 9:00 AM on 10.15.08 |
| ->> I think Leica and Apple should merge. They'd be a perfect fit. |
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Garrett Hubbard, Photographer
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Washington | D.C. | USA | Posted: 9:44 AM on 10.15.08 |
| ->> I also just left feedback with Apple. Thanks for the link Richard. Everyone, please use a little of the energy spent complaining here and point it towards Apple so we can accomplish something. http://www.apple.com/feedback/macbookpro.html |
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Scott Morgan, Photographer
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Rockford | IL | United States | Posted: 10:33 AM on 10.15.08 |
->> FYI - Monoprice.com has Firewire 800 to 400 cords for very cheap. A six foot 9pin to 6pin FW cord (which is 800 to 400) costs $3.94.
http://www.monoprice.com/products/subdepartment.asp?c_id=102&cp_id=10301
I've ordered from them several times with no problems at all. Stock up on a few cables at a time though. The shipping is generally around $6 or 7. |
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David Harpe, Photographer
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Louisville | KY | USA | Posted: 10:35 AM on 10.15.08 |
->> Another issue no one here has mentioned yet is this:
http://news.cnet.com/8301-13579_3-10066317-37.html
Jobs said in the link above that Blu-Ray on a Mac platform is all but dead for the near future. That's significant. If you're editing native HiDef and want to show it uncompressed, you can't do end-to-end authoring on a Mac unless you set up an outboard/3rd party drive. Even if you're not authoring, it might be nice to be able to at least WATCH a Blu-Ray disc.
I think his excuse is pretty lame ("big bag of hurt"). You've been able to get Blu-Ray burners for PCs for about a year now. Most PC manufacturers offer them as an option, and they're getting quite cheap. Seems like the stuffy ol' PC market has been able to work through the "big bag of hurt" without killing their margins.
It does seem that this round of updates doesn't have a lot for pros to be excited about... |
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Garrett Hubbard, Photographer
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Washington | D.C. | USA | Posted: 12:55 PM on 10.15.08 |
| ->> David. Agreed. Disappointing updates for the Mac Book Pro line. |
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Robert Hanashiro, Photographer
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Los Angeles | CA | | Posted: 12:57 PM on 10.15.08 |
->> Time to go PC?
NOT!
Mahalo! |
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David Harpe, Photographer
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Louisville | KY | USA | Posted: 1:53 PM on 10.15.08 |
->> Time to go PC?
Only makes sense to switch if you want a non-glare screen, want to view/author Blu-Ray, want hardware choices from more than one vendor, and want to save $1,000.
If none of that matters to you, Apple makes a lot of sense. :-) |
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David Seelig, Photographer
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Hailey | ID | USA | Posted: 2:13 PM on 10.15.08 |
| ->> The thing to do is not give up and go pc it is to keep emails flying to apple about there bad choice David |
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Michael Fischer, Photographer
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Spencer | Ia | USA | Posted: 1:34 AM on 10.16.08 |
->> This will get me in trouble.. but the Blue Ray decision is probably the right one in my opinion. Blue Ray may have "won" against Toshiba's HD DVD, but within 3 years many users will just download movies over the internet. A lot of people already are, and it will only get bigger. In other words, the technology is already close to obsolete.
Another reality is they would be supporting Sony, who is a direct competitor and probably charging a pretty penny for the drive.
I'll email Apple regarding the glossy screens. |
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James Madelin, Photographer
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AKL | Auckland | New Zealand | Posted: 1:45 AM on 10.16.08 |
->> i agree.. i have a macbook pro with a matte screen and my wife has a macbook with a glossy screen. the glossy screen is awful for photo work.
i use one of these though, which may be the only option going forward:
http://www.compushade.com/viewarticle.php?page=3 |
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