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|| SportsShooter.com: Member Message Board Interesting and ugly. Marcus Yam, Student/Intern, Photographer Roanoke | VA | USA | Posted: 9:49 PM on 09.30.08 ->> I don't usually post anything on this thread anymore, but I just wanted to point out ZUMA's brand new essay. I've been really skeptical behind the essays that they support, partly because of the "toning ehtics" involved... but I felt that this one went a tad bit too far, and it looks amateurish. http://www.zreportage.com/KASHMIR/ correct me if I'm wrong, I might be, nobody's right and everybody's entitled to an opinion... I'm not bad mouthing Zuma Press, they've done some really cool stuff... but I just wondered what bad reputation us photojournalists are getting, for toning our photographs when a few bad apples do it wrong. I don't personally know Prasanta Biswas the photographer, maybe the fault wasn't on his part, maybe there's a back-story behind all this, but I just wanted to put this out there, to create a conscious. I'm just annoyed today. Regards, Marcus Yam  This post is:  Informative (2) | Funny (0) | Huh? (2) | Off Topic (0) | Inappropriate (0) |   Definitions Sandy Huffaker, Photographer San Diego | CA | USA | Posted: 10:20 PM on 09.30.08 ->> Marcus, I've seen worse examples of toning. I kind of see what you mean though. I have more of an issue with the daily barrage of exotic images coming from the India and Afghanistan regions. Seems almost too easy to get great shots. Just look at all the day/week in photos. You will always find some festival with little kids throwing colored powder on each other, or some old dudes flogging themselves with machetes, or a group of Muslim women crying. I tend to think some photogs look at going to these places as a ticket to stardom. I'm a bit grumpy too because I see so much great work(daily) from photographers shooting in their own communities and yet we get inundated with these somewhat redundant images everyday.  This post is:  Informative (0) | Funny (0) | Huh? (0) | Off Topic (0) | Inappropriate (0) |   Definitions Jason Fritz, Student/Intern San Francisco | CA | USA | Posted: 11:41 PM on 09.30.08 ->> Marcus, Toning ethics, like ethics in general, are culturally, geographically (and situationally) defined and are not absolute. For example, photographers from Europe and Asia, who work for magazines and newspapers from their respective countries, tend to do much more toning than would be considered acceptable by US newspaper standards. However, this style of toning, which you consider going 'a tad bit too far,' is an acceptable in the context of the publications that they are dealing with. If you look at most European newspapers and magazines, you will regularly see examples of work that would be considered 'over toned' by NPPA standards. My problem with the series is not that it is heavily toned, but rather that it does indeed look amateurish.  This post is:  Informative (1) | Funny (0) | Huh? (2) | Off Topic (0) | Inappropriate (0) |   Definitions Marcus Yam, Student/Intern, Photographer Roanoke | VA | USA | Posted: 7:28 PM on 10.01.08 ->> I'm not against toning, but I'm not a big fan of toning that is done wrong, and rub off the wrong way (looks amaterish). Toning's great, when done right... when taken out of context and out of precision... it's something else. Regards, Marcus Yam  This post is:  Informative (0) | Funny (0) | Huh? (0) | Off Topic (0) | Inappropriate (0) |   Definitions Walter Calahan, Photographer Westminster | MD | USA | Posted: 8:17 PM on 10.01.08 ->> And do the images have anything to say? I closed the browser window part way through 'cause I hadn't seen anything yet. I'm with you Jason.  This post is:  Informative (1) | Funny (0) | Huh? (0) | Off Topic (0) | Inappropriate (0) |   Definitions Rich Cruse, Photographer Laguna Niguel | CA | USA | Posted: 8:53 PM on 10.01.08 ->> I agree with Walter and Jason, I closed the browser window after the fifth image. Uninspired and amateurish is how I would describe the work.  This post is:  Informative (0) | Funny (0) | Huh? (0) | Off Topic (0) | Inappropriate (0) |   Definitions Add your comments... If you'd like to add your comments to this thread, use this form. You need to be an active (paying) member of SportsShooter.com in order to post messages to the system. NOTE: If you would like to report a problem you've found within the SportsShooter.com website, please let us know via the 'Contact Us' form, which alerts us immediately. It is not guaranteed that a member of the staff will see your message board post. 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