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OT-WHO voted for Duke?
Phil Hawkins, Photographer
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Fresno | ca | usa | Posted: 9:20 PM on 09.29.08 |
->> Although I'm a properly raised Tar Heel, I have to give Kudos to the Blue Devils for their season so far. I noticed they got one lonely vote in the USA-Today poll. I doubt anyone can remember the last time Duke got a vote for the top 25... few people are alive who date back to the Wallace Wade days (skipping over the Steve Spurrier years).
I'm going to assume it's the Duke coach... but in case not, any conjecture as to who did it?
Curious... really curious... |
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Chuck Liddy, Photographer
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Durham | NC | USA | Posted: 9:35 PM on 09.29.08 |
| ->> phil, you "tarholeism" is sad. be careful...come Nov 29 you may want to cut your wrists and bleed "baby blue" out there in california. they have the first real coach since spurrier and as I remember (I was here) the goats didn't do so well against a blue devil team that had a great coach. check out my member page to see the "new" duke blue devils. |
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Daniel Johnson, Photographer, Assistant
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Omaha | NE | USA | Posted: 10:01 PM on 09.29.08 |
| ->> Maybe Steve Spurrier did: "(from wikipedia) Until 2008, in consideration for giving him his first college head coaching job, Spurrier annually voted Duke at #25 on his preseason Coaches Poll ballot and on every weekly poll until their first loss of each season." |
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Phil Hawkins, Photographer
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Fresno | ca | usa | Posted: 10:51 PM on 09.29.08 |
->> Chuck,
Why did I know you were going to chime in? :-) Actually, I am glad the Devils got their s*** together at long last. Now maybe the Dook/Carolina game will mean something. They might even revive the Beat Dook parade down Franklin Street. Fraternities from both campuses will start stealing from each other again... The Duke athletic dept. will finally have enough money to build a new basketball arena... upgrade the football stadium. The Iron Dukes might get a few new members. I'm glad for the long-suffering Duke football fans. Let's hope this continues and the final game of the year will be able to keep people awake for once.
The goats? Haven't heard that one... actually, it's pretty funny!
Spurrier is a good candidate... I did not think of that... |
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Jason Ossey, Photographer, Student/Intern
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Atlanta | GA | USA | Posted: 12:08 AM on 09.30.08 |
->> Since when has Carolina(GTHC) been a college football powerhouse?
The only thing UNC has done is teach Duke that building huge stadiums lead to "wine and cheese crowds" (Thank you Sam Cassell) and playing canned crowd noise over radio broadcasts. |
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Chuck Liddy, Photographer
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Durham | NC | USA | Posted: 12:12 AM on 09.30.08 |
| ->> phil, stop smoking that california weed. it's messing you up. all those things you've mentioned are still going on. having a crappy football team has nothing to do with the rivalry. you need to look at the history of this rivalry. a mediocre basketball team beats a GREAT basketball team. it's happened in football also.....both ways.... you need to take those baby blue sunglasses off. goats....ram...come on man wake up!!! |
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Phil Hawkins, Photographer
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Fresno | ca | usa | Posted: 12:44 AM on 09.30.08 |
->> Chuck, Hey, I got you, goats...rams... I get it...
I am not aware they still do the Beat Dook Parade down Franklin Street any more. And the current rivalries between sororities and frat houses is nothing like it was in the fifties and sixties... In the 40's when Choo-Choo Justice was playing, they had mondo parades on the Friday before the game... they don't do that any more, at least when I was living in Chapel Hill in the late 50's, 60's and early 70's.... and i hvaen't heard they started it back up again.
One thing; you have to agree that it is very irritating to hear the announcers ALWAYS say "The rivalry on Tobacco Road". The only people who say "tobacco road" is them damn Yankees from up north.
Go Heels. And the only time they've been a powerhouse is when Choo-Choo was playing and when Mack Brown was coaching. Ohter than that, you are right, they have not been a powerhouse, but they've been better than Duke!!! |
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Chuck Liddy, Photographer
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Durham | NC | USA | Posted: 1:02 AM on 09.30.08 |
| ->> phil,phil,phil, man you are SO out of touch it's almost sad. mack brown? a powerhouse? stop! you're making me laugh. I've been here for 23 years and nothing you're talking about has happened..come on man, it's 2008. and actually everyone says "tobacco road". come on dude that's who we are. |
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Phil Hawkins, Photographer
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Fresno | ca | usa | Posted: 4:08 AM on 09.30.08 |
->> I love doing this with you, Chuck... It's so entertaining!! As I recall, UNC was in the top 5 at one point during the Mack Brown era... or at least consistently top ten for sure for most of his tenure. How the hell do you think he got the offer from Texas?
And I quote: "UNC's 54-18 (.750) record during his last six years ranked as the ninth-best nationally during that period. His record was even more sparkling in his final two seasons. He compiled a 20-3 (.870) mark and led the Tar Heels to a No. 4 final national ranking in the USA Today/ESPN poll and No. 6 ranking by The Associated Press in 1997."- shrine-bowl.com
If you say "Tobacco Road", well, then be my guest if it makes you happy! Find two others who use that terminology and I'll shine your shoes... |
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Chuck Liddy, Photographer
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Durham | NC | USA | Posted: 9:34 AM on 09.30.08 |
| ->> ....uh oh....better get your polish out big man, the shoes are black...watch any ACC telecast of football or basketball when unc,duke, state or wake are playing the announcers say it several times a game. okay, it's weird, I read back about mack's tenure and didn't even remember his teams were good....I guess because since then the heels have sucked at football. 8) |
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Jason Ivester, Photographer
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Springdale | AR | USA | Posted: 10:44 AM on 09.30.08 |
->> Sorry, Phil, but it IS Tobacco Road. It runs from Raleigh through Chapel Hell/Durham to Winston Salem. Always has and always will.
And BTW, I'm happy for Duke football. They deserve this. |
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Stan Gilliland, Photographer
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Cary | NC | USA | Posted: 2:21 PM on 09.30.08 |
| ->> Yep, we hear Tobacco Road all the time around here. Carolina, contrary to Tar Heel fans opinion, has never been what you would call a powerhouse in football. It's a basketball school, until you ask a soccer fan anyway. |
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Jon Gardiner, Photographer
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Durham | NC | USA | Posted: 2:50 PM on 09.30.08 |
->> Phil,
Chuck's right on two counts. The first being that he's been around here for 23 years. Heck, I think he's the one that photographed my utter cuteness for a wild art photo in the now defunct Durham Sun when I was in elementary school ;-) (sorry Chuck, you set your self up for that one my friend). The second being that my olfactory nerves flashback to the VERY distinctive smell of cured tobacco every time I'm sippin' a cold one on Main Street. The tobacco companies stopped production several years back, but for as long as I can remember, the phrase "Tobacco Road" has always been used when these teams play.
*Full disclosure, I'm a Carolina grad who also took a few summer classes at N.C. State and figured out a way to get Duke to pay for my mortgage. Boo-Yeaaaaaa!
-J |
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Phil Hawkins, Photographer
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Fresno | ca | usa | Posted: 10:49 PM on 09.30.08 |
->> You always hear "Tobacco Road" when Dick Vitale or others promo a Duke/Carolina game, and it was the title of that song years ago, but I cannot remember a single time growing up that locals, born and bred in Piedmont NC, with proper southern accents, refer to it as "Tobacco Road". It's the transplants and announcers who think they're being cool! It's like living in San Francisco and hearing the tourists and transplants say "Frisco"... grrrrrr...
And yes, Jon, I remember that nauseating (to me anyway) smell of the tobacco warehouses that permeated the whole city, especially downtown. My mom went to Sears for everything, and I hated going to Durham... yeck!!
Stan, I only know of two native North Carolinians who live in Cary; most of the rest are transplants working in the RTP or professors at State, or high-tech California types. So, if you're hearing it, it's from them...
That's my story and I'm sticking with it. :-)
Go Heels. Beat Dook. |
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Chuck Liddy, Photographer
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Durham | NC | USA | Posted: 11:40 PM on 09.30.08 |
->> Phil, old buddy, you been on the left coast too long. hey do you know the acronym for cary?
Containment Area for Relocated Yankees
hahahhhahahaaahhhahhahhahaha
and it's tabacca not tobacco... |
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Jason Ivester, Photographer
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Springdale | AR | USA | Posted: 9:07 AM on 10.01.08 |
->> Phil, FWIW, I was born and raised in NC. Only moved out to Ar-Kansas last year. I've got a deep western-NC accent, prefer western-NC BBQ to any other BBQ (especially eastern-NC BBQ). And I've always known the Big-4 (State, Carolina, Duke and Wake Forest) referred to as Tobacco Road.
So I've gotta stand behind Chuck on this.
-jason |
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Delane B. Rouse, Photographer, Photo Editor
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Washington | DC | US | Posted: 1:18 PM on 10.01.08 |
->> Phil...you're shining shoes buddy, because I'm born and raised in Kinston (home of Kings BBQ and the Oink Express), and it's been Tobacco Road all my life (36 years).
dbr |
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Jason Frizzelle, Photographer
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Wilmington | NC | USA | Posted: 2:05 PM on 10.01.08 |
->> Dear God,
Why do I keep opening up this thread? And please don't let this become a BBQ thread because then Tommy Metthe will chime in and try to make me eat crappy pre processed rat meat labeled BBQ.
Thanks
Jason |
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Chuck Liddy, Photographer
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Durham | NC | USA | Posted: 2:37 PM on 10.01.08 |
| ->> phil, better buy a CASE of polish. and don't wanna hear any whining.....8) |
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Phil Hawkins, Photographer
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Fresno | ca | usa | Posted: 11:20 PM on 10.01.08 |
->> Chuck,
Yeah, yeah... well in Chapel Hill, or as some call it, the land of wine and cheese, or "Communist Hill", we call it 15-501. Or "The Boulevard".
Oh, and the Rat closed for good... life holds no more meaning.
Allens Barbecue is still going... so, there is hope. |
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Gary Brittain, Photographer
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Richmond | VA | USA | Posted: 9:49 AM on 10.02.08 |
->> B's BBQ in Greenville is the place to be.
And for a great cheesesteak, it is Cubbie's on Evans. Forget about Philly.
I can not stand going to Crappel Hill or Puke. And I can barely handle going to a game at Weak Forest.
While in school back in '89, I was working for a TV station and went to several games at Lawrence Joel for a Wake Forest televised game by NBC.
The fans were so quiet (probably sitting on their hands) that you could hear the motor of the miniature blimp that NBC had inside the arena.
ECU Pirates are the only football team in NC. I know, I know, we just lost a couple of games but we will be back this year. We have just had a few key losses on the field due to injuries.
It used to said that Dook and UNC only tolerate football until Dean Smith and Coach K blow their whistles for basketball to begin. |
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Chuck Liddy, Photographer
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Durham | NC | USA | Posted: 10:03 AM on 10.02.08 |
| ->> gary, okay, so you guys have a mediocre football program a non-competitive basketball program (hey does ECU have a basketball team?) and just because you guys aren't considered a "tobacco road " school you bash the big boys? come on dude...and plus you forgot to mention...you're talking about greenville. sheeez....you and ole phil should get together and share whatever you're smokin'. 8) |
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Phil Hawkins, Photographer
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Fresno | ca | usa | Posted: 12:13 PM on 10.02.08 |
->> "It used to said that Dook and UNC only tolerate football until Dean Smith and Coach K blow their whistles for basketball to begin."
Oh, so true, and how Mack Brown knows this only so well. I have it on good authority that he LOVED Chapel Hill, his family loved it and when he asked for more money after the 1997 season, the AD just shrugged his shoulders, in essence, and the rest is history. Sometimes you just have to scratch your head and wonder what the heck people are thinking. But, for a university with a $2 Billion, (that's Billion, with a "B") endowment, they can do pretty much whatever they want.
But, they make so much money on basketball, more than most schools make on football, that they can treat football with the disdain they do. Virtually all games are on TV, with national broadcasts, post-season payouts, they are the LARGEST product licensing program in D-1, UNC athletics is a cash COW!!!
UNC is, literally, the school that ate Chapel Hill. Expansion of facilities is happening at such a fast pace they are running out of university land to build on. They can't buy it in the city and county fast enough.
Aye, zigga-zoomba zoomba zay!
Life is rough. |
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Jason Jump, Photographer
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Humble | TX | USA | Posted: 11:59 AM on 10.05.08 |
| ->> I actually found out last week that the offensive coordinator at Duke was the quarterback of my old high school team. Led us to a state championship along with our running back, who played at Oklahoma State. |
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Jeyhoun Allebaugh, Photographer, Assistant
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Brooklyn | NY | | Posted: 7:55 PM on 10.05.08 |
->> Chuck, I truly miss shooting Duke football games with you and Jon and laughing my ass off as they get up big because of their unavoidable fall from grace in the second half. (ohh m'gosh, That GT game was soo close at halftime!)
Btw, anyone see UNC check in at #22 this week? |
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