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I am considering Making the Switch "Canon--->Nikon"
William Guerro, Photographer
Galloway | NJ | USA | Posted: 2:39 PM on 07.30.08
->> I am considering making the switch from Canon to Nikon. I would like to hear from anyone who has made the switch. Your thoughts and are you glad you made the move.

I was going to upgrade to the Canon Mark III but there are WAY TOO MANY negative stories out there. Nikon's new line of cameras, from what I have read seem to be head and shoulders above the rest, especially for low light shooting.
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Ben Stewart, Student/Intern
Minneapolis | MN | USA | Posted: 3:21 PM on 07.30.08
->> I would do the same, and have considered the Mark III too.

No way I can afford the switch as a student :(
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Max Levine, Photographer, Assistant
Philadelphia | PA | USA | Posted: 3:27 PM on 07.30.08
->> Come to the dark side Bill!

Muuuaahahahahahahahahaha
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Matt Barton, Photographer
Lexington | KY | USA | Posted: 3:30 PM on 07.30.08
->> Have you actually shot with a Mark III yet?

The latest update fixed the AF for a lot of people. Still waiting on Galbraith's opinion though...
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Robert Hanashiro, Photographer
Los Angeles | CA | | Posted: 3:38 PM on 07.30.08
->> Opening up the "can of worms" again ...

There was a story in the Sports Shooter Newsletter a couple months back where a Florida freelance photographer discusses his thoughts behind "the switch":
http://www.sportsshooter.com/news/1967

Also, there has been a seemingly endless debate on the SS.com Message Board on this topic, though it seems it's a two-way street ... just run a search and all of the threads will be there for your review.

And another option that might be best would be to use the Equipment Q & A and pose your questions DIRECTLY to those members that have made the switch or are also considering it or remain quite happy with their Mark III's.

Other sources of interest would obviously be Rob Galbraith's website which has a running evaluation of the Mark III, tracking its troubles from the beginning ... and he will have his latest take on the new Mark III firmware in a day or two. Or three.

If you want to read everything you wanted to know about the camera you are considering, check out Dave Black's wonderful site (his "workshop on the ranch" is definitely worth a read) and Joe McNally's blog.

I hope the conversation here on "Canon Versus Nikon" is civil ...

Mahalo!
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Joseph Toth, Photographer
Cambridge | UK | United Kingdom | Posted: 3:53 PM on 07.30.08
->> I am not sure if this is an option. I know a few people on this side of the pond that have been given a D3 Sport kit to use for a few weeks to test the waters. I think it might be in conjunction with Nikon and one of the larger shops here, but you can then trade in your Canon gear and get a discount off the Nikon stuff you might buy. I think this sounds reasonable as you get to test it out without committing. I also think that if you aren't shooting with a newer MkIII you might want to give it a try before jumping ship. Just my two pence worth.

Joe
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Matthias Krause, Photographer
Brooklyn | NY | USA | Posted: 3:59 PM on 07.30.08
->> Well, shouldn´t the question be: Is the Nikon making you more money than the switch will cost you? Depending on your answer you decision should be pretty simple.
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John Cheng, Photographer
New Milford | CT | USA | Posted: 4:05 PM on 07.30.08
->> http://www.sportsshooter.com/message_display.html?tid=29638
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Joseph Toth, Photographer
Cambridge | UK | United Kingdom | Posted: 4:26 PM on 07.30.08
->> To be honest. I have a set of good MkIII's and business hasn't slowed down for me at all. So for me its a no brainer. I guess my overall point is that many people are making the switch and losing money to buy new gear without money coming in through business. Also, if he has Canon gear and gets MkIII's that work perfectly, why should he make the jump. That doesn't make sense.
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Gary Rather, Photographer
Santa Cruz | Ca | US | Posted: 4:32 PM on 07.30.08
->> just wait a couple years.
Everyone will be doung the reverse,

kinda like 3 or 4 years ago when everyone was going Nikon ---> Canon
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Rich Cruse, Photographer
Laguna Niguel | CA | USA | Posted: 4:57 PM on 07.30.08
->> You are choosing the best time to consider the switch. Nikon has some winning offerings at the moment. I could not be more pleased with the D300. I love Nikon's metering and flash system as well. I had been using Canon for 16 years. When I saw a colleague's images from the same event I was at but shot with Nikon, I decided to test the waters with a D80 as a secondary camera. After seeing the results, I got the D200 and now I have the D300. The colors are gorgeous and with the D300, the autofocus is as good or better than my Canons ever were.

I switched two years ago and never regretted it. You get more bang for the buck with Nikon at the moment.
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Tom Theobald, Photographer
La Mesa | CA | USA | Posted: 9:21 PM on 07.30.08
->> In April, asked my local dealer...of the working pros in my area (San Diego) are they going Nikon or Canon? Dealer said to me, "Ya know Tom, they are going to running BOTH now". Logic being, ok you have a lot invested, favorite glass one brand, see certain features/advantages other brand etc...why keep moving the capital back and forth every couple years? Go with the best of both (or stay enrolled in both CPS & NPS)... -T
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Ceasar Maragni, Photographer
Marion | IL | USA | Posted: 9:52 PM on 07.30.08
->> Funny you bring this up Bill.

After shooting Nikon equipment for virtually my entire career as a photojournalist I decided to switch to Canon about ten months ago. I purchased Canon bodies, lens, a strobe, etc.

After a few weeks I regretted my decision. I just could not get used to the difference in the systems and really missed the more user friendly Nikon bodies.

So, I sold all the Canon gear, bought new Nikon equipment and haven't looked back.

I wish I'd never switched. Although,I must admit I liked that Canon 10-22mm Zoom lens. Nothing else really.
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Erik Markov, Photographer
Kokomo | IN | | Posted: 10:07 PM on 07.30.08
->> I don't know if it makes a bit of difference. I've always shot Nikon myself and my work equipment is Canon. I like my Nikon lenses better than Canons, no real reason just personal preference, but the mkIII is pretty nice. Neither system is going to make magic happen right out of the box, and Gary Rather is right, 3 years from now it'll be reversed.

On a side note, when I was shooting the Brickyard race in Indy Sunday, I was up in the stands shooting some towards the end of the race with the mkIII and our 300mm. Some fan asked what kind of equipment it was, I told him Canon, and he said good, those guys who shoot Nikon think their sh!t doesn't stink. I didn't say anything about the Nikons at home.
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Ceasar Maragni, Photographer
Marion | IL | USA | Posted: 10:11 PM on 07.30.08
->> Robert,

Thank you for mentioning Dave Black's site in this thread. I don't know that I would have ever stumbled across it on my own.

What a marvelous resource. I've bookmarked it and will be sure and dive into it more later.

I look forward to seeing your images from Beijing.
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Walter Calahan, Photographer
Westminster | MD | USA | Posted: 10:28 PM on 07.30.08
->> I switched from Canon to Nikon in 1983. Was easy, but then no system is perfect. HA!

At least in this auto-focus era you don't have to relearn focus direction like I did. And why to an manual f/stop scales always go in opposite directions, too?

You'll love the Nikon speedlights.
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Steve Puppe, Photographer
Olathe | KS | USA | Posted: 10:42 PM on 07.30.08
->> Are there Nikon lenses that compare to the Canon 35mm 1.4 and 85mm 1.2?
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Aaron Rhoads, Photographer
McComb | MS | USA | Posted: 2:34 AM on 07.31.08
->> How come no switch to Minolta or Konica threads?
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Peter Tarry, Photographer
croydon | Surrey | England | Posted: 7:35 AM on 07.31.08
->> if i were you i would look long and hard before making the switch,with the current economic situation world wide and the march of video into newspapers and the magazine market .nikon Uk have been very been very aggressively lending new d3 kits out and offering huge discounts to those willing to swap over,one friend told me that he give over his old canon kit (mk1 400m,200mm 1.8 ,mk2 bodies and a number of zooms) and £4000 cash and got the nikon kit including the new nikon 400mm over here that lens alone is £6500 ! .What I was also told that makes me cringe is that that all the second hand canon gear that has been exchanged will be destroyed in order to take it of the market ! i think if you have waited this long before swapping it might be worth waiting to see what canon have at photokina which is only a few weeks a way. Another point is that a number of pals who have nikon are saying it wont be long before nikon announce an updated d3,one that has a sensor cleaning device which would tie in the production run being about 18 months.
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Walter Calahan, Photographer
Westminster | MD | USA | Posted: 7:39 AM on 07.31.08
->> When Konica bought Minolta there was talk that the company would be called Monica. HA!

Nikon makes an AF 85 mm 1.4, and a 35 mm f/2.0.

They also make a non-AF 35 mm f/1.4.

So, no, Nikon does not make any lenses that directly compare to the Canon 35 and 85 mentioned.

Frankly, even on my Leica Summilux-M 35 mm f/1.4, I can't remember the last time I actually shot at f/1.4. I'm sure there were times.

And Canon doesn't make anything near as good as my Leica Summilux-M 75 mm f/1.4.

No system is perfect - other than my Cooke XVa on my 8x10 camera.

http://www.cookeoptics.com/cooke.nsf/52614d4325c1735a85256ee7005e8edb/7fe9d...
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Jock Fistick, Photographer
Brussels | Belgium | | Posted: 8:11 AM on 07.31.08
->> Ya know - I've been a Nikon guy my whole career - but on a number of occasions I was very tempted to switch to Canon as I longed for a full frame camera and the superior high iso performance of Canon. But I could never justify the expense in switching as I could not see it increasing my bottom line. And alas I am glad I did not switch as Nikon finally stepped up to the plate and delivered a set of decent cameras - which in my opinion only level the playing field. If it weren't for the AF problems with the Mk3 - we wouldn't be having this discussion. And since that camera is getting close to the end of its life cycle and should be updated in the coming months - I can't see any real compelling reason to switch - unless your glass is aging and you were going to upgrade your lenses as well. As Peter mentioned - Nikon has been very aggressive and if you can somehow get in an a group deal - then maybe. An agency that I work closely with in Brussels was a Canon shop on the news and sports side - but their pool gear was aging - both bodies and lenses and the agency was planning on buying new gear anyway across the board. Nikon offered them a deal that Canon was not willing to match so they switched - so this made perfect financial sense - they saved a bunch of money - and for the time being - they may have slightly superior equipment. But to do it on your own - without some kind of financial incentive - doesn't make much sense or cents in my book. I am sure Canon will strike back with something new and impressive - it's just the nature of the beast and a matter of time.
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William Guerro, Photographer
Galloway | NJ | USA | Posted: 9:45 AM on 07.31.08
->> Thanks for all the input everyone, I am in in the kick it around stage right now. My main reason is low light shooting. Seeing what the New Nikons produce at high ISO, at 1600+ the quality is unreal.

Robert

I checked out the sites you mentioned, great info. Dave Blacks site is awesome.
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Steve Puppe, Photographer
Olathe | KS | USA | Posted: 10:18 AM on 07.31.08
->> I'm not convinced that Canon's next offering will be at the same level as the D3. Look how product cycles it took Nikon to catch up. How many upgrades have we seen to camera lines that you would consider minor changes in a camera. The drastic changes just don't come as often. The Mark III was supposed to be the new major product change.

There are some things that the new Canon camera may improve on. I can see them upgrading the LCD and maybe having two cf card slots. I'm sure it will have better high ISO performance but it might not be to the level of the D3. Canon has had years to improve their flash system to the level of Nikon and hasn't done it.

While the problems with the Mark III have gotten better they are still there. It's hard to have confidence in a company that has had a year to resolve a problem and hasn't figured it out yet.
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Walter Calahan, Photographer
Westminster | MD | USA | Posted: 10:33 AM on 07.31.08
->> Canon HAS figured out what's wrong with the MkIII, but they don't want to scrape it, and start all over again with a camera that doesn't have a design flaw.

Stay tuned for more duct tape and bailing twine from Canon.
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Jonathan Castner, Photographer, Assistant
Longmont | CO | USA | Posted: 11:08 AM on 07.31.08
->> Just so ya know the rumor mill has been a buzz with talk from some insiders about an AF-S 35mm f/1.4, AF-S 85mm f/1.4 and some kind of AF-S 50mm most likely an f/1.4 to be released at Photokina. Also a new AF-S 70-200N f/2.8 VRII with the nano coating is scheduled to appear.

Just to get y'all drooling.
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Aaron Rhoads, Photographer
McComb | MS | USA | Posted: 2:27 PM on 07.31.08
->> Hey, Walter
bailing twine fixed a many a thing at my house when I was growing up.

That and tabaccy spit.
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Jock Fistick, Photographer
Brussels | Belgium | | Posted: 5:13 PM on 07.31.08
->> William:

If having the high iso performance is that important to you right now - and will help you make more money than by all means switch. If I had been a heavy sports shooter - and was constantly battling dark gyms - I probably would have switched to Canon long ago. But I cover a lot of politics and do a good bit of editorial and corporate portraiture as well as industrial work. And when working on a corporate or industrial gig - I usually have an assistant - so working with lights is part of the process which makes for better images. So, if I had to go past 800 iso with my D2X I would just light it up. Now that I have the D3 -
there are times were I can just crank up the iso to 1600 or 3200 with confidence - and sometimes I do it just because I can :-) but honestly - the image quality is better both technically and aesthetically - if I work at 400 and add off camera lighting. That being said - it is really nice to finally have a full frame camera - and know that I can work at 3200 if needed and the images won't suck technically. But if I am able to light something - I still do. It is a personal choice on many levels - comfort - habit - the type of work you do etc... But for me - the bottom line is - return on investment. If you switch - will that mean being able to make images you can't make with your current gear AND will those better quality images result in a higher bottom line. The rest is just noise - of the non-digital kind.
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Ken Charnock, Photographer
Mooresville | NC | United States | Posted: 7:14 PM on 07.31.08
->> Remember . . .

A carpenter is still a carpenter no matter what "hammer" he/she uses

Create something with your tools, do not worry what label they have

Nikon shooter
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John Harrington, Photographer
Washington | DC | USA | Posted: 8:52 PM on 07.31.08
->> William --

With just about a month to go to Photokina, making any long-term decisions like this is short-sighted. Wait to see what comes out, when prices will likely drop, and you will have a better take on your options.

As someone who spent all of my professional life with Nikons, about 2 years ago, I added Canon to my toolbox. I looked at it as having a metric set alongside my standard tools. Right tool. Right job. My D2x gathered dust while my EOS 1Ds Mark II kept busy. In December I bought both the D3 and the EOS 1Ds Mark III, and have been shooting about 95% with my Nikon's again, and I am seeing more and more people switch back to Nikon.

I say, take the hit, and just maintain both lines of lenses, and upgrade bodies with whichever system has the tools most useful to you. Is that a cost right now - yes. But over time, being able to shift to the best tool set to do your job will mean no more switching, just have both.

John
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