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Tony Overman Arrested
Michael Moriatis, Photographer
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Santa Barbara | CA | USA | Posted: 7:37 PM on 06.09.08 |
| ->> The cop overreacted, but why would you go back to talk to an agitated cop? |
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Jeff Martin, Photographer
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wellington | OH | usa | Posted: 8:23 PM on 06.09.08 |
| ->> The touching of the noses makes it sound like a very heated discussion. Makes me think of Earl Weaver. |
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Jean Finley, Photo Editor, Photographer
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Iowa City | IA | USA | Posted: 9:39 PM on 06.09.08 |
->> If you're on your side of the tape and still able to do your job, why would you say anything to the detective at all?
High tension situation. Just let him do his job and if you think he said something incorrect, deal with it later. |
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Joe Cavaretta, Photographer
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Ft Lauderdale | FL | USA | Posted: 10:24 PM on 06.09.08 |
->> The cop overreacted, but why would you go back to talk to an agitated cop?
Perhaps because the ONLY reason the cop put up the tape was the keep Mr. Overman from doing his job. Sounds like Mr. Detective arrived on the scene and the normal partol guys and fire crew had everything under control except for that pesky news photographer. Does not sound like Tony was in the way, or threatening anybody, or in any danger. It would have p*ssed me off too. |
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Rob Kerr, Photographer
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Bend | OR | US | Posted: 11:29 PM on 06.09.08 |
| ->> police should have the professionalism to deal with an upset journalist, citizen, vicitm or suspect. bottom line IMO. |
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Nick Adams, Photographer
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Sacramento | CA | | Posted: 11:48 PM on 06.09.08 |
->> As some of you might know, but MANY do not. Anything posted on this board will most likely be used against Tony if this case goes to trial.
During my own recent court case, I had some things members wrote on the threads about my arrest used against me by the DA.
Just remember everything you write or question will most likely be used against him down the road.
The facts are Mr. Overman was doing his job. This is a prime example of a law enforcement officer overreacting, thereby interfering with out first amendment rights. This type of action is unacceptable. More training is needed for law enforcement personnel in order to properly understand the first amendment and media rights. |
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Jesse Smith, Photographer
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Chehalis | WA | United States | Posted: 11:59 PM on 06.09.08 |
| ->> Man, I know Tony and have shot with him on a few different occasions, and this hits close to home, I hope all works out for the better. |
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Sean D. Elliot, Photographer, Photo Editor
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Norwich | CT | USA | Posted: 9:37 AM on 06.10.08 |
| ->> speaking for myself, if the cops put the tape up behind me, and then say "if you cross the tape again" I'm going to point-out to them that I DIDN'T cross the tape in the first place. and then I'm going to get behind the tape as long as they are also moving the general public behind the tape. If I'm being singled out because I'm a journalist I'm going to further point-out the civil rights violation nature of such an order. Am I going to do this as politely as I can, sure. |
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Jeff Martin, Photographer
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wellington | OH | usa | Posted: 3:22 PM on 06.10.08 |
| ->> Usually, the onus is on the party with the authority to keep the situation from getting out of hand. The police are, or should be, held to a higher standard of behavior. The officer should be trying to defuse the situation not escalate. Given the information available, it sounds like he was way out of line. |
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Andrew Miller, Photographer
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Bridgewater | NJ | USA | Posted: 3:29 PM on 06.10.08 |
| ->> OT: I feel left out, can I get a Huh? too? |
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Manuello Paganelli, Photographer
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Los Angeles | CA | USA | Posted: 5:09 PM on 06.10.08 |
->> Nick why would anything in here be held against Overman if this goes to trial?
Please clarify what you mean?
This is all freedom of speech otherwise if we go to any other forums we cant speak out either for that would infringed in someones pending case?
HOw about been use against the abusive and overzealous officer David Miller from the Lacey police dept. Officers should stand head and shoulders above us. IF they are able to diffuse a bomb or a family quarrels surely a police should be able to talk to a professional photographer in a better way.
We as photographers are not the enemies. We dont carry guns, shotguns, a loaded car, tasser, or 50 other cops to shoot at will but a camera and our will to be objective, capture, carry and inform the news. How difficult is that?
BTW I just spoke with commander Swessman, phone 360 459 4333, who runs the dept where Miller works and voiced my frustration in how this was manhandled. He was very kind and I didnt expected otherwise, and understood the seriousness of my call and NO ONCE did he try to defend the actions of Mr. Miller or make excuses. Perhaps you all should call him and speak up.
Also go here
http://www.theolympian.com/southsound/story/472140.html and post a comment.
Like most of you I dont know photographer Overman and by reading the whole story is quite sad that he was treated in such a poor and abusive way. Tomorrow could be you or me.
More 2 come
Pag
http://www.ManuelloPaganelli.com |
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Sean D. Elliot, Photographer, Photo Editor
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Norwich | CT | USA | Posted: 5:27 PM on 06.10.08 |
->> I'm sure what Nick means is that if someone were to post something like ...
"that overman guy is a hothead, it sure doesn't surprise me that he got in a scuffle with a cop" that a prosecutor would not hesitate to use such a thing ... if it went that far.
Now, only one such statement would be pretty useless, but you never know. I'm sure Nick was just encouraging us to stick to the facts.
p.s., there is an update on the nppa.org story
http://www.nppa.org/news_and_events/news/2008/06/overman02.html
saying that the cop's version of the story is radically different from Tony's. Surprise, surprise, surprise. |
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Nick Adams, Photographer
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Sacramento | CA | | Posted: 6:11 PM on 06.10.08 |
->> Pag -
A year and half ago i was in Mr. Overman shoes. Comments on the sportsshooter message board was used against me. Comments like "next time say yes and switch to longer glass," was used by the DA at my trial. Comments that question Tony's actions will most likely be used against him down the road.
Nick |
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Jeff Brehm, Photographer, Photo Editor
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Charlotte | NC | USA | Posted: 6:21 PM on 06.10.08 |
->> RE: Nick's case in which SS comments were used against him...
Don't blame us for exercising our First Amendment rights. Blame your attorney and/or the judge for allowing unrelated/irrelevant information to be introduced. |
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Manuello Paganelli, Photographer
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Los Angeles | CA | USA | Posted: 7:01 PM on 06.10.08 |
->> Nick sorry to hear that you went through that mess and hope all worked out in your behalf.
Still dont get it. I could go to any forum e.g.
Mom's breastfeeding, AA, Hells angels, Women 4 Jesus, Gay 4 jesus, Republican Love Wars.. you get the point, and place any nasty thing that pops into my head. YOu mean to tell me that a judge would actually use those things in court and comments made by the public in a forum? And by people, most of them, who dont know the person involve in a case of law?
People have the right to speak up and against cops, presidents, generals etc That is the freedom they have in Western Europe and I thought it was the same here unless Bush his henchmen and his Patriot Act changed all of that.
It doesnt add up.
More 2 come
Pag
http://www.ManuelloPaganelli.com |
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Yamil Sued, Photographer, Photo Editor
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Peoria | AZ | USA | Posted: 7:21 PM on 06.10.08 |
->> Joe Wrote:
"Perhaps because the ONLY reason the cop put up the tape was the keep Mr. Overman from doing his job."
I honestly doubt that was the reason the tape was put up in the first place, Tape is placed on fires, accidents and shootings all other crime scenes in order to maintain the integrity of the scene and to collect evidence in case of a trial, not to prevent the media from doing their job.
OTOH, this detective had a problem, and he overreacted!! They put the tape behind the Photographer and he should have had the opportunity to move behind the tape without any other comment other than "we put up tape and would you please move behind it at your earliest convenience" that is all!! |
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Yamil Sued, Photographer, Photo Editor
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Peoria | AZ | USA | Posted: 7:33 PM on 06.10.08 |
->> Manuello Wrote:
"People have the right to speak up and against cops, presidents, generals etc That is the freedom they have in Western Europe and I thought it was the same here unless Bush his henchmen and his Patriot Act changed all of that."
Actually, this time, the patriot Act has nothing to do with this, Nick is the one asking not to speak up or say anything negative about Overman.
Nick, I'm sorry about your situation, but freedom of speech applies here too!! And it's too bad that your attorney allowed this information to be introduced in your case. But we have the right to express our views, popular or unpopular. |
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Nick Adams, Photographer
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Sacramento | CA | | Posted: 7:34 PM on 06.10.08 |
->> Pag:
Thanks, I was acquitted. Your missing the point. You can post whatever you want anywhere you want.
My whole point was to let people know that things they post that question Tony's actions would/could come up against him down the road if this case goes to trial.
And unlike all those forums you wrote about, on this message board all our comments are linked to our member pages that link to bio pages on our websites/memberpages. So the DA can say, photographer XXXXX said XXXX, and they have 20 years in the business.
Jeff: The statements were allow since stated with another "professional photographers" would of done. |
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Andrew Miller, Photographer
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Bridgewater | NJ | USA | Posted: 7:35 PM on 06.10.08 |
->> I would have to agree with Jeff and Manuello on this one. Many of us on this site are in the information business in one way or another. Many of us come in contact with officers of the law nearly everyday. Having a discussion about altercations between journalists and police is a way for us all to learn from each other's experience.
While some may try and pass judgement on incidents such as the one being discussed through this forum, others may simply be trying to educate themselves about the laws surrounding what freedoms we have as members of the press. The purpose of this thread shouldn't be to bash cops or photojournalists, because unless one of us witnessed this event with Mr. Overman and the officer first hand, we really can only speculate on what actually happened based on the accounts that have been linked to already. Let's make a collective effort to make this discussion educational rather than confrontational. |
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Israel Shirk, Photographer, Assistant
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McCall | ID | US | Posted: 7:51 PM on 06.10.08 |
->> I have to go with Nick on it.
Sure we HAVE THE RIGHT.
But IS IT RIGHT?
If we can stand up for each other simply by holding our tongues and not cutting someone down... Seriously, we as a whole would have to be stupid not to. Sure, I can sit here and say "long lens! long lens!" and go about my life because it doesn't affect me... But what Nick is saying is that someone else doing that, simply because they have the right to do it, helped put him through heck.
Just because you have the RIGHT to doesn't mean you SHOULD. There are things such as morals, which can and hopefully do go above and beyond what is required by the law.
As it stands, we have no reason to believe that anything he would have done could have changed the situation. If I overheard a police officer talking about circumstances which would lead to my arrest, I would want clarification too.
I'm not going to follow this thread and fight over it. Beating the topic to death just to exercise your rights, while damaging someone else... If you want to, go right ahead. |
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Jesse Beals, Photographer
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Silverdale | WA | USA | Posted: 2:14 AM on 06.12.08 |
->> I have to say I have worked along side Tony Overman over the past 7 years on assignments and I 100% would take his side on any issue. Of all the photographers I have ever had the chance to work along side with Tony is 100% the most professional person I have ever worked along side. He is not one to break the rules or look to pick a fight.
If what Tony is saying is how it went down then I 100% believe him because he has never shown any reason to not be trusted. In this job of photojournalism there are the type that do their job day in and day out the correct way and then there are those photographers that break the rules to get ahead or to capture that photo.
Tony is a stand up class act and would never do anything to hurt his image or his paper as a working journalist.
I am more then willing to stand up for Tony Overman if he needed somebody to speak on his behalf. Good luck my friend.
Jesse Beals
Kitsap News Group |
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Al Goldis, Photographer
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East Lansing | MI | USA | Posted: 6:32 PM on 06.12.08 |
->> Here is a telling paragraph from the NPPA story:
"Four other Lacey police officers who were at the scene make no mention in their reports of seeing any physical contact between Overman and Miller that could have led up to Overman's arrest." |
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