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Lightroom 2 Beta - Tagged photo question
Andy Altenburger, Photographer
Tiffin | OH | USA | Posted: 9:11 AM on 04.17.08
->> I've been playing around with the Lightroom 2 beta and like it a great deal. However, I shot RAW the other night and have found that I can't filter to only see the in-camera tagged photos. I'm thinking there has to be a way to do this but can't seem to find it. If someone could shed some light on this, it would be appreciated.

Andy
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Joe Andras, Photographer
Orange County | CA | USA | Posted: 11:30 PM on 04.17.08
->> Andy, could you filter photos that were tagged in-camera with prior versions of Lightroom, e.g. 1.1, 1.3 or 1.4? Or are you new to Lightroom and looking around for some expected functionality? Joe.
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Andy Altenburger, Photographer
Tiffin | OH | USA | Posted: 8:19 AM on 04.18.08
->> Never tried Lightroom before Beta 2, so this question is on a couple of different levels. Not sure if LR had it in Ver. 1 or in Beta 2. Also, I'm not certain if I'm just not doing something right where the tagged photos should be filtered.

Since it's in V1, I'd have to think it's in the Beta but I just can't see where it is. I'm assuming tagged=flagged. Any insight would be appreciated.

Andy
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Joe Andras, Photographer
Orange County | CA | USA | Posted: 10:00 AM on 04.18.08
->> I own V1, but in my limited experience with it, it didn't work for me there. While it works flawlessly in Photo Mechanic, my in-camera tags did not translate to "flagged" photos in Lightroom.

I have not installed the Beta 2, but I too am curious if there is a way to do it in either version. Anybody?

Joe.
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Mike Brice, Photographer
Toledo | OH | USA | Posted: 10:10 AM on 04.18.08
->> What I do is tag in camera, open in Photo Mechanic.

View tagged, and then star them - that setting translates into Lightroom.

I also then do a quick pass in Photo Mechanic starring any others, or deleting the ones that for sure I don't want to keep my Lightroom library smaller.

Then import into Lightroom and the star ratings are there and you can sort that way.
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Greg Ferguson, Photographer
Scottsdale | Az | USA | Posted: 11:28 AM on 04.18.08
->> The issue is that the "image is tagged" flag is not a standard flag in image formats.

Take a look at the documentation for Phil Harvey's ExifTool, a Perl module and application for rooting around in image files, and you'll find that there is all sorts of information available. You'll learn also that much of it is hidden in proprietary encodings and encrypted blocks because Nikon and Canon think those pieces of data are much too important for us to know about.

http://www.sno.phy.queensu.ca/~phil/exiftool/

Phil has taken the time to figure out what the bits and bytes are for, for many different models of cameras. It's taken a huge amount of work, and has to be repeated each time a new model comes out and sometimes breaks when a firmware update comes out. That's because the vendors figure it's their sandbox and they can change things around as they want.

PhotoMechanic knows about some of that information but Adobe's Lightroom team (like most graphic programming teams) are too busy to spend the months required to ferret out the information. They could rely on Phil Harvey's work but then Lightroom, Photoshop and whatever other program would need Perl plus the most recent version of ExifTool to keep up with the Nikons and Canons.

It's possible to make ExifTool into a part of your workflow. The application runs from the command-line on Windows, Macs and Unix boxes, so it could probably find the images you tagged in camera, set a different tag that Lightroom understands, and loop for all the files after you've downloaded them to the computer. Of course you'll have to take on learning how the application works and how to program a workflow.

Oh, none of the previous Lightroom version have supported the "image is selected" flag from the camera. I'd either use PhotoMechanic to translate or just hold off tagging until the images are in Lightroom since it has ratings and color-flags and picks - three different ways of marking images as keepers. You can tag away in the camera relying on the LCD but that just shifts a little part of the culling process. You'll still have to do it again once you can see the images on your monitor.
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Andrew Knapik, Photographer, Assistant
Lincoln Park | MI | USA | Posted: 11:58 AM on 04.18.08
->> PM is the only software I have found that supports tagging an image in the camera. I use Aperture 2 also, and I know that Aperture does not support tagging also. Best bet if you are going to use LR is to also have PM.
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Mike Brice, Photographer
Toledo | OH | USA | Posted: 8:55 PM on 04.18.08
->> Greg,

ExifTool, command-line, etc... That sounds like a lot of work when Photo Mechanic does all that in a great interface.

Simply show tagged, apply star rating and you are done. About 4 keystrokes.
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Greg Ferguson, Photographer
Scottsdale | Az | USA | Posted: 1:53 PM on 04.19.08
->> "a lot of work"...

It depends on what you want to do. If it's something that PhotoMechanic can do, then maybe. If you want to do something that no other combo can, then ExifTool is a lot less work than not being able to do it at all.
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Greg Ferguson, Photographer
Scottsdale | Az | USA | Posted: 2:00 PM on 04.19.08
->> The documentation for ExifTool is available here:

http://www.sno.phy.queensu.ca/~phil/exiftool/exiftool_pod.html

skip down to the examples to get an idea what it will do.
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