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Baseball protection
Marvin Gentry, Photographer
Birmingham | AL | USA | Posted: 11:28 PM on 03.06.08
->> With baseball time upon us, and the death of a minor league coach last year from a foul ball to the head is anyone thinking about wearing protective head gear when they are shooting baseball this year? To tell you the truth the thought has crossed my mind, what does everyone else think??
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Heston Quan, Photographer
Placentia | CA | | Posted: 11:45 PM on 03.06.08
->> I was thinking about that today while shooting a game. I mainly shoot High School sports and many of the fields don't have much foul ball territory, safe areas to shoot from or the field and dugouts are fenced in like in little league. I often find myself pressed up against the fence to make a smaller target and it is kinda scary keeping an eye out for the play at second while keeping the other eye on the batter. I was thinking of maybe buying a skateboarder helmet because they don't have a bill that would get in the way. Plus anything skateboard related is cool!
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Patrick Fallon, Student/Intern, Photographer
Columbia | MO | USA | Posted: 12:02 AM on 03.07.08
->> You might try shooting from one of these.

http://tinyurl.com/2bobsb

Grin.
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Michael Proebsting, Photographer
Barrington | IL | USA | Posted: 12:18 AM on 03.07.08
->> Interested in "protective head gear"

Try this:
www.nuttybuddy.com
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Scott Greenlee, Photographer, Student/Intern
Crescent Springs | KY | United States | Posted: 1:24 AM on 03.07.08
->> I've never thought about wearing protective head gear. High schools are usually the fields with no protection. A ball coming off the bat isn't nearly as fast as something coming off the bat of a minor or major leaguer. I can usually get out of the way if needed.

I remember reading that story about the minor league baseball coach and the doctors said that the chances of this happening very uncommon.

I'd say you should get something to protect the boys, say a prayer and pay close attention.
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Rick Rowell, Photographer, Photo Editor
Vista | CA | USA | Posted: 2:18 AM on 03.07.08
->> Patrick, I've tried that. I think the angle is a little too high though. www.sportsshooter.com/cameraman/blimp
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Brian Mount, Student/Intern
Simi Valley | CA | USA | Posted: 3:14 AM on 03.07.08
->> Lately I've been shooting a lot of baseball and softball. Last Saturday I was almost hit by a foul ball (a split second sooner and I would be in some pain) and today I was almost hit by softball by the warm up mound. I've played baseball before so I have pretty good reaction time but when you have your eye to the camera you can't see whats coming at you. I know I'm going to get hit by a foul ball eventually so I'm not really worried about it. I try to pay attention to every pitch and use my other eye (the one not up to the viewfinder) to pay attention to the play around me. Yes, you might have a headache after the game due to eye strain, but I haven't been hit yet. When I shoot baseball or softball I always wear a hat, grant it, its not going to provide any protection, maybe just soften the blow, but having it on reminds me to pay attention. Just keep a heads up on the play.
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Alex Menendez, Photographer
Orlando | FL | USA | Posted: 9:09 AM on 03.07.08
->> Marvin,
Though the fans would probably say it is "dorky" , I too have had the helmet thought cross my mind.
I have been shooting spring training and know exactly how fast the foul balls come flying by.
By the time someone yells "heads up", it is too late.

If you want proof , just ask the 3 year old who's parents moved out of the way only to let him get hit last week in the stands by an errant throw to first by the third baseman. This poor kid left the bleachers screaming his head off as the medics tried to calm him down while his idiot dad chased the group trying to put his precious, unspilled beer on the childs back to ease the swelling.

The foul ball hit into the photo area comes a lot faster than an overthrown ball.

I say, wear a hemet, start the trend in Birmingham, be the first on the block.
At least you'll still be around to hear the fans give you little grief for the first few games.

PS. A referee in the Arena Football League started wearing a protective helmet last week, keep your eyes open this weekend and see how many more join him.


alex
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John Plassenthal, Photographer
Vandalia | OH | USA | Posted: 12:24 PM on 03.07.08
->> When I was growing up, no one wore a helmet on a bicycle because it wasn't a big risk. Since then research has shown that while the risk of falling off and hitting your head isn't that high, the damage done can be severe.

I never thought about a helmet for shooting baseball either until last year when the coach was killed. Just like the recent thread about wearing a class 2/3 vest when shooting along a road, we all should take responsibility to ensure our safety. I'm surprised that the leagues aren't making a helmet mandatory.

As for those worrying about looking dorky wearing a helmet, do you really think we all look cool lugging around a half ton of camera gear? A little protection can prevent a world of hurt, even if you never get hit, is it worth the possible result if you do?

Why do you buy homeowners insurance? Fire insurance is betting against the odds, but you can't aford to be without it if your number comes up. Same rule applies in this case. If you are shooting in an area where you could be hit, get a helmet and don't take unnecessary chances.

As for a helmet, a batting helmet is designed for this, but you may have to cut the bill off of it to be able to get your eye to the viewfinder depending on the design. The other option is a football helmet with the faceguard removed. The key is to make sure it coveres the side as well as the top.

Like Alex said, start wearing one and before you know it everyone will and it will become expected.
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Patrick Meredith, Photo Editor, Photographer
Austin | TX | USA | Posted: 1:05 PM on 03.07.08
->> Keep your eyes open and don't stop paying attention to what is happening around you. If you feel like you aren't able to move fast enough if a ball is hit in your direction, you shouldn't be on the field to begin with.
Grab a ladder and shoot over the fence or sit in the dugout.
If you must be in live ball territory, sit with the batters back to you. I just don't think you should need to wear body armor to shoot HS sports...
And I thought photo vests were dorky....
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William Maner, Photographer
Biloxi | MS | USA | Posted: 1:14 PM on 03.07.08
->> Uhhh Michael Proebsting....

I see they don't make "extra mongo" sized protectors.. Just the mongo which is an XL version.. Why no XXL version??

Seriously, I would wear a helmet wherever I could, especially at the college/pro level. Perhaps a hockey helmet(?) because it offers more(?) wraparound protection than a biker's helmet?

A lot of catcher's masks these days come with a permanent chin guard. You could probably unbolt the wire "cage", but you'd still have the chin guard to contend with. I think a football helmet is too much for the job.
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Joe Cavaretta, Photographer
Ft Lauderdale | FL | USA | Posted: 1:23 PM on 03.07.08
->> FYI
3rd base coaches will now be required to wear helmet in MLB and not all of them are happy about it:
http://tiny.cc/sAV31
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Rick Rowell, Photographer, Photo Editor
Vista | CA | USA | Posted: 2:04 PM on 03.07.08
->> "If you feel like you aren't able to move fast enough if a ball is hit in your direction, you shouldn't be on the field to begin with." Patrick, you may want to take that back. Their are many situations were you or anyone else will not be able to react to a ball coming at 100 MPH or faster. I've been hit three times in the last five years. None of these were head hits or more serious than a bruise to the shoulder, thank goodness. But I shoot allot of high school baseball and I know it maybe just a matter of time before I am hit in the head. I've been thinking about getting a helmet of some sort for awhile, but after a couple of close calls yesterday at a junior college game, I think I will buy a skate boarding helmet. I don't care if I look like a dork, at least if I'm hit in the head I'll have a better chance of being an alive dork.
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Eric Francis, Photographer
Omaha | NE | United States | Posted: 2:37 PM on 03.07.08
->> "Keep your eyes open and don't stop paying attention to what is happening around you. If you feel like you aren't able to move fast enough if a ball is hit in your direction, you shouldn't be on the field to begin with."

WOW, clearly you haven't had to deal with many of these. It's easy to make a statement like this when you're shooting everything from the 3rd base side or through the fence.
It doesn't matter where you sit. Unless you have a 500 and are shooting from "a mile away", you have to be aware that you may get hit.
Besides, rarely does the ball come off the bat in a straight line. Most of the time it's curving and damn near impossible to judge.
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Michael Proebsting, Photographer
Barrington | IL | USA | Posted: 2:45 PM on 03.07.08
->> When you go to www.nuttybuddy.com be sure to check out the video....it offers full baseball protection.
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Clark Brooks, Photo Editor, Photographer
Urbana | IL | USA | Posted: 4:38 PM on 03.07.08
->> "WOW, clearly you haven't had to deal with many of these."

For once I get to agree with Eric on something :) My thoughts exactly.

I've been shooting baseball and softball for 8 years and have only been hit once. It wasn't even a ball off the bat. A high school pitcher, their third or fourth stringer, was warming up and threw a bad one in the warm strip. The ball went over and then along the five foot fence separating the fans and the field to curve and hit me quad. No clue it was coming because my eyes was in the viewfinder and I was focused on the batter and pitcher. I went down along with my 500mm. We both were okay in the end. I now move away from the warm up area when a team sends in a new pitcher. Once was close enough. The spectators got an earful of expletives. If I had seen it coming it wouldn't have been a big deal.

I figure my time for a head shot is coming and helmet of some sort may not be a bad idea. A designer sportsshooter model would be kinda rad.
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Clark Brooks, Photo Editor, Photographer
Urbana | IL | USA | Posted: 4:39 PM on 03.07.08
->> "... bad one in the warm strip."

Opps that was suppose to be "warm-up stripe".
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Eric Francis, Photographer
Omaha | NE | United States | Posted: 4:52 PM on 03.07.08
->> "For once I get to agree with Eric on something :)"

can I get an AMEN!!!!


lmao ;)
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Scott Rovak, Photographer
St. Louis | MO | USA | Posted: 10:20 PM on 03.07.08
->> Over 25 years of shooting professional baseball and I've received 2 concussions and numerous bumps and bruises from being hit by a ball. I also was hit by a stick through the hole at an NHL game, receiving 18 stitches below the surface and 22 stitches above on my forehead. I will not wear a helmet because it will interfere with shooting vertically.
It is a choice I make, maybe not a good choice, but it's my choice. I was about 10 feet from St. Louis Cardinals Juan Encarnacion when he was hit in the eye by a foul ball and he will never play baseball again. I have learned to try to stay behind my camera when someone yells "ball!" or when I see it heading towards me. The camera and lens can be replaced.
Joe Cavaretta, both first base and third base coaches have to wear helmets this year.
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Rick Rowell, Photographer, Photo Editor
Vista | CA | USA | Posted: 10:44 PM on 03.07.08
->> I went down to Chick's sporting goods this afternoon and priced some skateboard helmets. $39.95 to $129.95. The $39.95 model seems ok. If it will keep the concrete from cracking your skull, it should give some protection against 100+ mph baseballs. At least better than just your bare head. I didn't have my camera bodies with me at the time, but I'll go back Sunday and check the clearance from helmet to camera body to see if it interferes with normal operation of the camera. $39.95 is fairly cheap insurance these days.
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Brian Shirk, Photographer, Assistant
McCall | ID | US | Posted: 10:57 PM on 03.07.08
->> I've been hit in the head before... It's not fun - even when it goes through a fence and hits your camera first. After taking out those two, it still gave me a minor concussion.

It always happens in the unexpected ways - I've dodged plenty of college-level balls, but you're much more vulnerable when you either have your guard down, or your guard is up in the wrong direction.

Helmets, distance (ie time to react and get your camera in front of you), and a good knowledge of where any other balls/rowdy fans might be, are your best safeties.

And, if you're shooting through a net or fence, remember - make sure the ball can't possibly fit through (if there's a ball stuck in the fence, there's your problem!), and make sure there are no holes and you're behind the maximum deflection of the net (or behind a post if you're willing to sacrifice your camera/lens)
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Tom Suarez, Photographer
Austin | texas | USA | Posted: 11:45 PM on 03.07.08
->> I shoot high school baseball and just this year we are not allowed on the field but must stay in dugout now. Today I came the closest to being hit yet since the dugout is in a direct line with first and second base when teams warm up between innings.
Also the 2nd game I shot today a kid got hit in the face by a pitch. He seemed to be ok but it sure made a mess. He had a bloody nose and cut lip that had swollen up about 5 times its normal size.
I think I will check into getting a protective helmet. When shooting vertical it will also help to get an eyepiece extender which I already have on both of my cameras anyway.
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Jack Megaw, Student/Intern, Photographer
Pittsburgh | PA | America | Posted: 12:23 AM on 03.08.08
->> I actually got hit just tonight by a puck when I was shooting a hockey game - not in the head - but right on the hand holding my camera body - I'm typing this with one hand now - not much fun - But honestly its not going to make me wear a helmet - normally I can duck behind something - maybe for baseball?

Helmet wise? maybe....a hockey helmet with no facemask or visor?
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Aaron Rhoads, Photographer
McComb | MS | USA | Posted: 12:27 AM on 03.08.08
->> Maybe I'll start covering wiffleball games.
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Joel Kowsky, Student/Intern, Photographer
Columbia | MO | United States | Posted: 2:04 AM on 03.08.08
->> I would have to agree with John when it comes to helmets.

Each are designed with a specific purpose in mind and each have a different standard that they must conform to. The skateboarding helmet might look cool, but it wasn't designed to take a hit from a baseball coming off of a bat a 100 mph+ it was designed for protection from a fall at a much slower speed.
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Alvin Self, Photographer
Irving | TX | USA | Posted: 6:18 PM on 03.08.08
->> OK. I did it. I had a baseball game this afternoon amd after several close calls this year I went out and bought a batters helmet.
I am glad no one was there to take my picture. I don't believe anybody laughed at me. At least not to my face.
After a few innings I forgot I had it on. I think that is why I got stared at going to the concession stand.
Shooting horizontally the bill of the helmet did not get in the way. Shooting vertical all I had to do was tip the helmet up a little bit.
I will probably cut the bill off but it wasn't to bad and I felt very protective.
By the way no ball came within 20 feet of me.
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Joel Kowsky, Student/Intern, Photographer
Columbia | MO | United States | Posted: 6:23 PM on 03.08.08
->> I'd be careful about cutting the bill off. That could compromise the helmet in some way or another because it is a modification. One option might be a helmet without the ear protection similar to one worn by some catchers which is worn backwards.

The bill would have the added bonus of keeping some of the sun off your neck too.
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Eric Francis, Photographer
Omaha | NE | United States | Posted: 11:21 PM on 03.08.08
->> I'll be interested to see how many are still using it in the heat of June/July...
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Kevin Seale, Photographer
Crawfordsville | IN | United States | Posted: 1:06 AM on 03.09.08
->> Unless it covers your temple and ear area it is not going to be much protection. It might save a cut and some pain, but will not do much to reduce the risk of a serious injury.

A catchers helmet does not have much protection for the temple and ear. Their mask is what gives them protection because the trajectory of the ball will cause it to ricochet away. Their helmet is more for protection from a bat backswing than the ball.

Bike, skateboard etc. helmets also don't offer protection in the critical areas where a flying ball from the side is most dangerous.

Unless you are going to wear a goalie outfit you still run a good risk of getting whacked and that hurts like hell no matter where it hits you. When you are in an environment with uncontrolled high velocity spherical objects, bad things can and will happen. Very, very, very few actually kill anybody. While the coach getting killed was a tragedy with no equal, it was also an incredibly freak accident.

If you want to wear a helmet for added safety go for it. If it makes you feel more comfortable having it who cares if they laugh. Just be sure to wear one that gives you proper protection if you are going to do it.

For me, I will take my chances and not add protective gear to my long list of things to take to the game. I am already at a point where the odds of a heart attack from carrying my gear far exceeds those of a line drive to temple so opt for less tonnage.

My personal protection is my arm. If shooting from the 1B side, I will take my left arm and grab the back of my head/neck and put my elbow on the side of the camera. This lets my arm protect my head, face and camera body from a blind side hit. It also puts me in a defensive position if I happen to see the ball coming.

I got whacked in the arm twice last year and did not have to file a medical claim so it seems to work for me. One time the ball deflected off a post and would have cracked me right in the ear. The other was to let the ball hit me instead of my 400 by turning into it. It did not hurt near as bad as hearing my lens getting smashed would have.

This mentality might also stem from a little league coach who taught us to never fear a baseball and trained us by whacking hard grounders at us on a rocky infield. He worshiped Bobby Knight (It was the middle 70's) so form your own picture of what our practices were like. Ahh, youth sports when a little blood made you tough and you didn't sue every time you got a black eye.
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