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DO NOT ERASE!!!/Information Please.
James Byrd, Student/Intern, Photographer
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San Marcos | Tx | USA | Posted: 1:01 AM on 02.24.08 |
->> So earlier I was at the Ron Paul rally taking picures, alot of pictures 300 - 400 or so. There were a few pics that I wanted to delete when I should of just left good enough alone. Can you see where I'm going with this? Anyways, I erased those pics that I wanted to erease or so I thought. I look down at my picture counter and the counter magicly went back up to 490'ish. WTF HAPPENED!!! I can't believe I erased all those pictures of those interesting people. Its bad enough that they are suspicious enough by nature but now how am I going to account for 400'ish pictures gone, they know who I work for, I told them. "University Star - Texas State," I had the press pass wrapped around my neck and everything. Although the pictures were probably never going to be printed in the paper I needed a better exuse than saying, oh there for my portfolio. So I used the power of the press pass but still some were suspicous but I was able to manage permission to say "local austin man" or "local austin family" if not maybe a nickname or first name, and sometimes full name and posistion as it related to the campaign. I was able to catch a few Texas State students but what does it matter now, they were probably wanting to see themselves in the paper. Anyways, I digress. There is a brightside. This happened before the speech. So, knowing that there was still a chance I quickly stoped taking pictures with that card becasue I knew that it I were to overwrite the files lost I would loose them for good. I put in my second card and was able to get my Ron Paul Pictures. The lesson being DO NOT ERASE!!! until the pictures are on a second media. So, there is a nice little back story to my question.
What is the rule of public events? When do I need names and when not? What kind of information do I need to get, especially when you're dealing with people hesitant of giving you information. I did get any information I needed from people whose pics I planned on using. Which raises another question, do you get info before or after the picture? I would say after, that is if you want the picture to be natural and not influenced in any way. Shouldn't there be an expectation of "you" getting your picture taken at an event like this?
Also, I was stuck in one spot taking pictures of Ron Paul. I kind of got trapped. Anyways I felt like I was just restricted to body language and the tightness of the frame in just one location. I feel like the pictures that I got, anyody else with a good lens could have gotten. It seems like the best angles to shoot from are the restricted areas. What can someone do to overcome that??
Picture of Ron Paul coming soon, maybe I can recover some of the other pics. |
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Rodrigo Pena, Photographer
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Palm Desert | CA | USA | Posted: 1:42 AM on 02.24.08 |
->> James, lots going on in your thread. You must be on a natural high.
You were right to NOT shoot with the card that had deleted images. You can always recover those photos. Yeah, deleting is probably not a good idea. Delete later if you need to. Most people don't delete at all, even the bad photos.
Info: Yes, info is best gotten after the photo is taken. Sometimes, it's not possible to do this. This day and age when people are leary of photographers taking pictures of children, I always ask permission when taking photos of children before snapping away. This puts everyone at ease, but sometimes I have to lay back for a bit so that the kids will forget about the camera.
When people don't want to give you their information, instead of wasting time with it, sometimes it's best to move on to someone else. Once in a great while you may get a photo that is truly incredible and you HAVE to have info for the caption. That is where the salesman skills come in. You have to really sell the benefits to what you are doing and why you need the info. If they are good people they may agree. Sometimes people just need to be nudged a little bit. Humor often softens stubborn people or wins people over. Sometimes people won't budge. After years of experience you will find a knack for which people can be talked into giving up info and which ones will not.
Shooting from different angles: Sometimes you can slowly move to a better spot, sometimes you can't. Sometimes asking for permission to move helps, sometimes it doesn't. Sometimes just moving to the restricted spot to take a quick snap or two is the best strategy and then move back to your assigned spot, but then you risk being thrown out. Getting to know people in charge is by far the biggest key for access that you can do for yourself. |
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Jared Wickerham, Student/Intern, Photographer
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Pittsburgh | PA | U.S.A. | Posted: 3:15 AM on 02.24.08 |
->> When I see people chimping and deleting photos I always think of one specific event:
During Clinton's term, he hugged Monica Lewinski who was in the crowd during one of his visits. This was also during the digital to film transition. The people who shot digital more than likely deleted files of the President hugging the general public. But the people who photographed with film had pretty much no choice but to keep it since they had to turn in the whole roll to the paper or publication. When the scandal finally arose, those who photographed with film benefited because they were the only ones with the "unimportant" photographs of President Clinton hugging Lewinski in the crowd .
So if there's something to learn from it, it's that what may seem unimportant at the time of taking the photos or importing them, could possibly pose a larger importance as time goes on.
Good luck on recovering your photographs James! Let us know how it turns out. |
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Monty Rand, Photographer
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Bangor | ME | USA | Posted: 12:01 PM on 02.25.08 |
| ->> Photorescue has saved my hide more than once. Just last week I recovered a shoot for a friend who thought all was lost. He was amazed at what I recovered for him. |
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Jim Rosvold, Photographer
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Eagan | MN | USA | Posted: 1:34 PM on 02.25.08 |
| ->> Agreed. PhotoRescue has saved at least 4 people I know, myself included, on at least one or more occassions. Great program! |
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Allen Hubbard, Photographer
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Spokane | WA | USA | Posted: 1:37 PM on 02.25.08 |
->> Rescue Pro (Sandisk) or Image Rescue 3 (Lexar)
They give these programs away free when you buy memory cards sometimes so you should be able to get one easily. |
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Patrick Fallon, Student/Intern, Photographer
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Columbia | MO | USA | Posted: 1:45 PM on 02.25.08 |
| ->> Rescue Pro has worked well for me in the past. Though only with the Extreme IV cards does it come on a full size disk. [Stupid sandisk... those minidiscs wont work on Apple Laptops] |
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Matthew Cavanah, Student/Intern, Photographer
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Columbia | MO | US | Posted: 2:10 PM on 02.25.08 |
->> SS Member Joel Kowsky has TONS of externals full of stuff because he never deletes a thing.
I usually delete outtakes after ingesting in photomechanic. But if i'm at a sporting event and I'm running out of cards I'll usually carefully go through and delete shots that are out of focus or in the case of the last time i did this i was at gymnastics and I got rid of butt shots from tumblings and flipping and such.
I'm currently writing for The Columbia Missourian and their policy is, if you don't have a full name you can't print it. Nicknames don't count either. |
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Patrick Fallon, Student/Intern, Photographer
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Columbia | MO | USA | Posted: 2:18 PM on 02.25.08 |
| ->> How many terabytes do you have now Joel? 6? 10? :) |
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James Byrd, Student/Intern, Photographer
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San Marcos | Tx | USA | Posted: 8:37 PM on 02.25.08 |
| ->> So I just uploaded the speech pictures search "james byrd" to take a look. havn't had time to recover the images yet but thanks for the tips!! |
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