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Interesting read from Washington Post
Rob Ostermaier, Photographer
Newport News | VA | USA | Posted: 1:03 PM on 02.18.08
->> Thought some of the newspaper people out there might like to read this.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/02/15/AR200802150...
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Adam Vogler, Photographer
Chanute | KS | USA | Posted: 1:11 PM on 02.18.08
->> Sad.

Scary.

True.
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Tom Knier, Photographer
Lancaster | PA | USA | Posted: 1:26 PM on 02.18.08
->> I'm sorry... I got bored about 1/3 of the way through. What'd it say?


Just kidding.
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Pouya Dianat, Photographer
Atlanta | GA | USA | Posted: 1:33 PM on 02.18.08
->> Read that when I woke up this morning. I think one of the most telling lines in the whole article is that if you try to bring up this matter at all you're immediately written off as a snob.
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Albert Brown, Photographer
Washington | DC | USA | Posted: 1:37 PM on 02.18.08
->> Yea I read that too. Sad, but true.
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Jonathan Castner, Photographer, Assistant
Longmont | CO | USA | Posted: 1:48 PM on 02.18.08
->> Well this has been going on for decades. It really came to light when a few years back so many people in this country decided that they didn't want a scholar and statesman as a president but a "Good 'ol Boy" instead.
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William Jurasz, Photographer, Assistant
Cedar Park | TX | USA | Posted: 2:01 PM on 02.18.08
->> Nah Jonathan, it really came to light when liberalism caught hold of our public schools and started worrying more about promoting Johnny to the next grade, was more concerned about our student's self esteem than we were if they were actually learning anything. Dubya is just a by product of that.

Ok, the political commentary is a bit silly for such a serious manner, isn't it? I work day jobs in hi-tech. Part of my duties over the years is to interview fresh college graduates to hire into any of the three hi-tech companies I've worked for in the last 19 years. Want to know how domestic students fare against forgeign borns, especially from the Asia Pacific Rim???
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Aaron Rhoads, Photographer
McComb | MS | USA | Posted: 2:37 PM on 02.18.08
->> She's was interviewed by Bill Moyer this weekend on public tv. think shes a better read than interviewee...she came off kind of an elitest on tv.
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Scott A. Schneider, Photographer
Minneapolis | MN | USA | Posted: 2:47 PM on 02.18.08
->> A link to the Bill Moyer's interview on PBS: http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/02152008/watch2.html
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Jeff Martin, Photographer
wellington | OH | usa | Posted: 3:10 PM on 02.18.08
->> Jonathan, when did we have the option of "scholar and statesman."
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Jonathan Castner, Photographer, Assistant
Longmont | CO | USA | Posted: 4:01 PM on 02.18.08
->> William that whole mess with the school system can be partially blamed on not on "Liberals" but the Humanist school of psychology which became very powerful and influential in the end of the 1960's. They were used by the Nixon administration as a reason to close down numerous federal mental health facilities, resulting in many of our older homeless people, by proclaiming that the people in the facilities should not be institutionalized but should be allowed to live their lives as normal people. They argued that by not living as others the psychological community was impairing their self esteem and their ability to grow through positive experience. The Nixon administration bought into that and many of the things that they said about how kids learn. We are still reeling from those policies. But they were not "Liberal" but "Conservative" policies aimed as cutting federal spending under the guise of populist "new social thinking".

Jeff, in the 2000 election cycle people who voted for Bush often said that they primarily voted for him because he seemed like a "regular" guy that they could have fun with while Gore was seen as a stuffy Ivy League type.
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Geoff Miller, Photographer
Portage | MI | USA | Posted: 4:29 PM on 02.18.08
->> John Hinderaker has some salient observations about this WaPo piece: "Jacoby offers no data to indicate how today's Americans compare with those in the past, or in other countries. She cites familiar scare statistics, such as the finding in the 2007 General Social Survey, carried out by the National Science Foundation, that close to twenty percent of respondents think the sun revolves around the earth. That sounds shocking, all right, but I've observed that you can ask virtually any question in a survey, and ten to twenty percent of respondents will give you an off-the-wall answer. Whether they are irresponsible young people pimping the questioner, distracted mothers with crying infants on their hips, or genuinely dumb people is hard to say. Actually, you can find scarier data on the GSS web site, like the 32 percent--more than the number who think the sun revolves around the earth!--who believe that astrology is either 'very scientific' or 'sort of scientific.'"

http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives2/2008/02/019818.php

Hinderaker also cites an interesting passage from a Sherlock Holmes novel where the detective defends to his friend Watson why he can't say which sphere revolves around the other: "I consider that a man’s brain originally is like a little empty attic, and you have to stock it with such furniture as you choose. A fool takes in all the lumber of every sort that he comes across, so that the knowledge which might be useful to him gets crowded out, or at best is jumbled up with a lot of other things, so that he has a difficulty in laying his hands upon it. Now the skillful workman is very careful indeed as to what he takes into his brain-attic. He will have nothing but the tools which may help him in doing his work, but of these he has a large assortment, and all in the most perfect order. It is a mistake to think that that little room has elastic walls and can distend to any extent. Depend upon it there comes a time when for every addition of knowledge you forget something that you knew before. It is of the highest importance, therefore, not to have useless facts elbowing out the useful ones." When Watson shot back in protest, Holmes replied: "What the deuce is it to me? You say that we go round the sun. If we went round the moon it would not make a pennyworth of difference to me or to my work."
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Walter Calahan, Photographer
Westminster | MD | USA | Posted: 7:39 PM on 02.18.08
->> I've noticed for a long time that winning politicians win by being more of a 'bubba' then the other candidate.

This 'bubba factor' is what rules America, in my humble opinion.
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Mark Loundy, Photo Editor
San Jose | CA | USA | Posted: 11:47 PM on 02.18.08
->> Jeff,

Woodrow Wilson.

--Mark
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Aaron Rhoads, Photographer
McComb | MS | USA | Posted: 6:00 AM on 02.19.08
->> She made the comment that 1-in-5 Americans still believe the sun revolves around the earth.

I think a bunch of those folks live down here.
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Octavian Cantilli, Student/Intern
Gainesville | FL | United States | Posted: 8:47 AM on 02.19.08
->> I recommend reading Mediated by Thomas De Zengotita to anyone who is fascinated by this phenomenon.

Now you must excuse me for I must retire to my backyard for an evening of chewing tobacco while shooting squirrels with my machine gun.
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Preston Gannaway, Photographer
Concord | NH | USA | Posted: 9:41 AM on 02.19.08
->> Photographer Alex Harris did a project about his son's Game Boy:
http://www.alex-harris.com/photography/19981999_game_boy/game_boy_will_at_f.../

I saw his work at a gallery about a year ago and was so taken by it and the artist statement that accompanies it.

Reading the description of "video culture" reminded me of it.
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Ben Smidt, Photographer
Milwaukee | WI | USA | Posted: 10:17 AM on 02.19.08
->> You reach a point where it is up to the individual to take hold of furthering his or her own intelligence through written words. If that choice is not seized it is on the hands of that individual, and no one else. So make the right choices for your future and education.
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Geoff Miller, Photographer
Portage | MI | USA | Posted: 10:40 AM on 02.19.08
->> The elder generation looking at its spawn and declaring that they will be the ruination of their civilization it not a new trend, but one that dates at least back to the ancient Greeks... and by some manner, we manage to get along in the World just fine. Rock-n-roll, comic books, fast cars, sleeping in on Saturdays, the Charleston, Flappers, speaking before being spoken to, Game Boys, iPods, you name it. It's been taking us all "To Hell in a hand basket" for ages.

Almost 30 years ago I had a math teacher as a Senior in High School that loved to rail in class that changing the voting age to 18 from 21 was the stupidest thing this country had ever done. It scared him that we would be allowed in voting booths in a matter of months. He was certain the country would be destroyed in no time because of this. Today's Dr. Smith's just have a different list of complaints.
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Aaron Rhoads, Photographer
McComb | MS | USA | Posted: 11:29 AM on 02.19.08
->> We're a herd of wildabeast, at the edge of crocodile infested river, wanting to cross to the other side.


Who's going in first?
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Dave Amorde, Photographer
Lake Forest | CA | USA | Posted: 10:10 PM on 02.19.08
->> What a truly uplifting article! I used to think I was a complete moron (is "thinking" one's self a moron an oxy-moron?) but now I know that I am merely a half-wit. There is blow me a class of people who are not just a can or two shy of a six-pack, they don't even have a pull tab!

I'm a freakin Genie-us!
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David Harpe, Photographer
Louisville | KY | USA | Posted: 11:32 PM on 02.19.08
->> We're a herd of wildabeast, at the edge of crocodile infested river, wanting to cross to the other side.

It's a good thing we have cable tv so we can watch SportsCenter and forget about all of this gloom & doom...
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