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D300 Pt.2
Michael Schwarz, Photographer
Decatur | GA | USA | Posted: 6:56 AM on 11.23.07
->> The BL-3 is an end cap that holds the En-EL4 type battery in place in the MB-10 grip. You will only need it if you plan to use the EN-EL4 (D2X/D2H) battery in the grip. You can use the EN-EL3e (the standard d300 battery) in the grip without anything additional. But the frame rate goes up if you use the EN-EL4.


->> So, what exactly does the BL-3 do? does it replace the need for another battery?
Without the BL-3 is there a hole there in it's place? I'm having trouble wrapping my arms around it's function.
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Ed Wolfstein, Photographer, Assistant
Burlington | VT | USA | Posted: 9:12 AM on 11.23.07
->> For those who ave been looking for full-rez images at high ISO, Dave Einsel posted a bunch of images taken with a D300 a while ago at ISOs 800-1600-3200-6400. Although not as clean as the D3, they are, none-the-less, pretty impressive IMHO.

Note from the images:

"Samples show the full uncorrected frame and a version that has been cropped but not resized and had only level adjustments in PhotoShop CS2. No other corrections or sharpening were done. Captions indicate ISO Rating and other points of interest. The two sets showing progressive ISO's are full frame."

So, here's the link folks:

http://galleries.daveeinsel.com/d300test/

And you've probably seen his D3 test images, but if not:

http://galleries.daveeinsel.com/d3test/

Hope everyone had a great Turkey Day!

Cheers!

- Ed.
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Paul Anderson, Photographer
Münster | Germany | Germany | Posted: 9:36 AM on 11.23.07
->> I spoke with Dawn at Roberts this morning (Friday). D300 is out of stock. They have the MB-D10 & BL-3 in stock. No UPS ground today, but UPS Next Day Air is available.
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Delane B. Rouse, Photographer, Photo Editor
Washington | DC | US | Posted: 2:05 PM on 11.23.07
->> Hi res files here:

http://contrastphotography.com/download/D300/


I'll host until we reach our bandwidth limit
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Delane B. Rouse, Photographer, Photo Editor
Washington | DC | US | Posted: 2:06 PM on 11.23.07
->> Oh yeah...those were shot at ISO 3200

dbr
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Chris Russick, Photographer, Photo Editor
St. Petersburg | FL | USA | Posted: 3:25 PM on 11.23.07
->> Thanks for the info Michael. I appreciate it.
Chris
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Delane B. Rouse, Photographer, Photo Editor
Washington | DC | US | Posted: 6:31 PM on 11.23.07
->> Anyone install the Nikon software that came with the D300 on OS X 10.5 (Leopard). Mine won't install (confused)

Delane
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Delane B. Rouse, Photographer, Photo Editor
Washington | DC | US | Posted: 6:32 PM on 11.23.07
->> RE: the grip for the D300 (for those of us coming from the D2Hs (or D2H)) we already have the end cap right?
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Zach Ornitz, Photographer, Photo Editor
Aspen | CO | USA | Posted: 6:57 PM on 11.23.07
->> It looks like I missed the boat on B&H's first shipment. Does anyone know where I might find the d300 still in stock or when the next batch will be shipped to B&H?
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Chris Russick, Photographer, Photo Editor
St. Petersburg | FL | USA | Posted: 7:00 PM on 11.23.07
->> I don't believe so. I believe that's the BL-1 cover. Correct me if I'm wrong.
http://nikonusa.com/template.php?cat=1&grp=258&productNr=25279

I don't know if there's anything different between the BL-1 and BL-3...
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Chuck Steenburgh, Photographer
Lexington | VA | USA | Posted: 7:09 PM on 11.23.07
->> I ordered the BL-3 ahead of time (both my D300 and MB-D10 are being shipped, but I've got the cover!) and it is different from the cover that comes with the D2-series. It has an offset that puts the battery about an inch deeper into the battery compartment.
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Delane B. Rouse, Photographer, Photo Editor
Washington | DC | US | Posted: 7:27 PM on 11.23.07
->> Thanks Chris and Chuck!
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Michael Schwarz, Photographer
Decatur | GA | USA | Posted: 7:35 PM on 11.23.07
->> The Nikon Installer is not currently compatible with Leopard. You can't (to my knowledge) currently install Capture NX or View NX in Leopard. I believe (again to my knowledge) that if you already have it installed and upgrade to Leopard it should work fine (don't hold me to that though).


>Anyone install the Nikon software that came with the D300 on OS X 10.5 >(Leopard). Mine won't install (confused)
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Jon L Hendricks, Photographer
Merrillville | IN | USA | Posted: 8:03 PM on 11.23.07
->> Can you tell us what the RAW burst depth is? Is it 17 NEF's in a row before you hit the buffer?

Thanks
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Delane B. Rouse, Photographer, Photo Editor
Washington | DC | US | Posted: 8:04 PM on 11.23.07
->> Zach-

You might want to try your largest and closest Ritz camera. The Ritz in Tysons Corner (Northern Virginia) received 7 of hem on Wednesday. 3 sold Wednesday...2 more today by 1:00, leaving them with 1 as of 1:00 PM today...

Ritz in Annapolis, MD also had several earlier today...my point is...Ritz seemed to me the best "walk-in" purchase option...

Delane
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Patrick Smith, Student/Intern, Photographer
Towson | MD | USA | Posted: 9:29 PM on 11.23.07
->> So, Nikon shooters, opinions and thoughts on the D300 vs. D2X(s)?
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Delane B. Rouse, Photographer, Photo Editor
Washington | DC | US | Posted: 10:03 PM on 11.23.07
->> Patrick...

take a look here:

http://contrastphotography.com/download/D300/D2Xs_vs_D300.psd



Delane
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Landon Finch, Photographer
Colorado Springs | CO | USA | Posted: 11:33 PM on 11.23.07
->> Delane, which of those two images you posted is more accurate color-wise?
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Delane B. Rouse, Photographer, Photo Editor
Washington | DC | US | Posted: 11:42 PM on 11.23.07
->> The D300 is more accurate
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Geoff Miller, Photographer
Portage | MI | USA | Posted: 12:43 AM on 11.24.07
->> Well, I picked up my D300, charged the battery, and literally took off to a NCAA hockey game with the body. I basically used all factory defaults (NR Normal, D-Light Off). The result: I'm in love!!! This camera rocks! I can only imagine what a D3 will be like. I've posted a sample gallery that I'm sure nowhere near is representative of what this camera can do once you get around to learning how to make it "sing"...

http://www.sportsshooter.com/geoff/d300/

These are all out-of-camera JPEG's. No additional NR was applied. WB was pre-set off of the ice. In PS I only cropped, adjusted levels some, and sometimes sharpened the edges.
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Al Santos, Photographer
Silver Spring | MD | USA | Posted: 10:43 AM on 11.24.07
->> I shot an NBA game next to guy with a D300. I was blown away by the 3-inch LCD display, so clear and the colors look terrific.

His setting was 1/500, ISO 1600. No noise whatsoever as far as I can tell. Nikon has great sports camera with the D300. I want one!
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Kevin Novak, Photographer, Assistant
Bel Air (Baltimore) | MD | USA | Posted: 12:53 PM on 11.24.07
->> Al,

Who are you kidding--you were once on the dark side, but defected to the other crowd. :-)

Kevin
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Rob Bye, Photographer
Winnipeg | MB | Canada | Posted: 7:09 PM on 11.24.07
->> So, my new D300 will come with a code number to activate NX 1.3... Will I be able to install full NX, even if the trial version I'm currently running expires before I get that code number?
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Geoff Miller, Photographer
Portage | MI | USA | Posted: 10:22 PM on 11.24.07
->> I see no reason why you would have any problems as long as you have a valid license code.
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Fj Hughes, Photographer, Assistant
Baltimore | MD | USA | Posted: 11:25 AM on 11.25.07
->> Kevin wrote, "Al, Who are you kidding--you were once on the dark side, but defected to the other crowd. :-)"


Yeah and I'm not selling him his lens back!;-)
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Al Santos, Photographer
Silver Spring | MD | USA | Posted: 2:09 PM on 11.25.07
->> Yeah, yeah. I know, I should have waited. But I'm happy with the switch.

I kept several Nikon lenses and SB800s. I will eventually buy a D300 and use exclusively for weddings and corporate gigs. It's all good. :^)
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Eldon Lindsay, Student/Intern, Photographer
Des Moines | IA | USA | Posted: 10:12 PM on 11.26.07
->> I got my D300 this morning. I've done nothing all day except take photos. I'm in love. For a prosumer body, it's nothing short of amazing, especially for only $2,000. My suggestion- go out, buy one and go shoot!
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David Templeton, Photographer, Assistant
Cambridge | MA | USA | Posted: 10:29 PM on 11.26.07
->> Calumet called today, they're shipping me my D300 and MB-D10, they should be here by Friday!

I tried ordering the BL-3, but couldn't find it anywhere (even on Roberts Imaging, where someone above said it was in stock). So I just pre-ordered it from Adorama. I should be ok with shooting 6fps for the near future! 8fps won't really come in handy until the spring sports start up...
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Delane B. Rouse, Photographer, Photo Editor
Washington | DC | US | Posted: 10:37 PM on 11.26.07
->> I bought (2) BL-3's from Allens Camera outside Philadelphia. I think I bough the last (2) they had in stock though...but you can give him a try


Allens Camera
4401 New Falls Road
Levittown, PA. 19056
PA. local phone: 215.547.2841
Toll free phone: 888-547-2841
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Patrick Smith, Student/Intern, Photographer
Towson | MD | USA | Posted: 10:54 PM on 11.26.07
->> Still waiting... although my e-mail has been acting up the past couple days. Nonetheless, no movement on my CC.
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Geoff Miller, Photographer
Portage | MI | USA | Posted: 11:45 PM on 11.26.07
->> "For a prosumer body"

Technically, I think there's very little that's "prosumer" about the D300. Also, if you look at all of Nikon's announcement materials, they clearly call it a "Pro" body.
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Paul Anderson, Photographer
Münster | Germany | Germany | Posted: 6:35 AM on 11.27.07
->> On the morning of the D300 announcement I contacted 3 sponsors of sportsshooter.com via e-mail. One replied and took my order. One replied and said January for the D300. One did not reply.

After searching websites early Friday morning I found that Roberts was showing the MB-D10 in stock. The BL-3 was not listed on their website. I called Roberts within minutes of their Friday opening and was able to place my order with Dawn for the BL-3 and MB-D10. She said the D300 was out of stock.

The BL-3 and MB-D10 I ordered from Roberts on Friday morning arrived UPS Next Day Air on Monday at my address in Ohio.

I need to give a big shout out to Dawn at Roberts!

The fact is that I do not have a D300. I have an order for one with a well know vendor that we all know from sportsshooter.com.

On August 23rd I placed and ordered with this vendor for a D300, MB-D10 and a BL-3.

On November 11th I received this e-mail message...

“...We definitely need to put your credit card number on the order ASAP, since we are close to receiving our first batch of D300's and only those orders with credit card numbers on them will be given first priority. Since you are very close to one of the first orders we received, it is very important to get one or both of your card numbers on the order, especially since you have been waiting since August. You can either call it in or email, whichever you feel is safest.
Thanks! I will keep you updated on the camera's arrival.”

I replied and received this e-mail message...

“Thanks Paul- I will add the info to the order.”

Since then I added an Urban Disguise 50 to my order.

Well, to make a long story short. On Wednesday, rather than send me an e-mail, they called me late in the afternoon at my home phone number in Ohio to tell me that the MB-D10 & a BL-3 where on backorder.

I was not able to reply until Friday. I asked them to remove the backordered items from my order and ship the camera and bag ASAP. They replied...

“Hello Paul,
We will remove the items you mentioned in your email. UPS is not picking up at ***** today (Friday) so your camera and Urban disguise will ship on Monday. the cost for shipping next day is $95.46. For 2nd day its $58.17 and for Ground its $26.44.
Let me know how you would like to ship it.
thanks for getting back to me.”

I relied, they replied...

“Paul-
the card will be run on Monday since there is no shipping today. I will let you know as soon as it processes.”

Funny this is, Roberts was able to ship on Friday.

By Monday afternoon I had not been contacted. I called my contact in the mail order department and he was less than helpful when I asked when my credit card would be charged and when my items would ship. At that time he could not guarantee when anything would happen. I then asked if there was someone else I could speak with? My contact said there was no one else I could speak with about this situation.

I then called the corporate office of the company. I spoke with two accounting people and they were more helpful. One of them was a manager and she found my order in their system with my customer number from my past purchases. She said that it should have been processed on 11/23. She offered to make a call to find out what was happening with my order. She offered to reply by e-mail.

I received this reply...

“Dear Paul,

I just spoke with our Mail Order Department regarding your order. It will be shipping out today – I will adjust shipping to the rate for two day.
The tracking number will be forwarded to you later this afternoon.
If there is anything further you need, please feel free to contact me.”

I also received this reply from my initial contact in the mail order department...

“Paul-
It will ship today, the credit card has cleared (2pm PDT).”

As of midnight Eastern Time…No e-mail, no tracking number and no activity on my credit card.

I had to vent this.

I’m in a time crunch. I need this camera to be at my address in Ohio today.

Paul
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Derrick den Hollander, Photographer
Melbourne | VIC | AUSTRALIA | Posted: 8:05 AM on 11.27.07
->> Well, I'm certain that sponsors of SS have been extremely supportive of most members.

I live in Australia, and sent email messages to two sponsors around 11 November - Samy's and another (not Roberts).

Samy's replied pretty promptly (within 2 days), but advised due to company policy they cannot ship internationally. I assume that is with camera bodies only.

I am pleased that even though they could not assist, they did provide the courtesey of informing me, and I respect their position. I will still consider other purchases from them, albeit not camera bodies.

The other sponsor (not Roberts) - well I received no response at all.

Paul - your profile says you are in Germany, but I'm assuming you are in the USA - Ohio. I got a little excited at first as I assumed USA dealers were shipping to Germany, but not Australia.
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Geoff Miller, Photographer
Portage | MI | USA | Posted: 8:17 AM on 11.27.07
->> Paul,

Sorry to hear about your troubles with acquiring a D300. I agree that Roberts is a good outfit to work with. I'd also like to point out a bit of good customer service that came about on the part of my local dealer, Norman Camera, from the launch. Norman had expected to get their bodies, along with the rest of the dealers, on the 21st. A lot of people on their waiting list paid for overnight shipping for delivery on the 23rd (the 22nd being a holiday). However, Nikon's warehouse in Louisville, KY missed the deadline to ship the bodies for the shipment to Norman. As a result, Norman didn't get the D300's until the 23rd... at the same time a lot of other D300's were showing up on customer door steps from other dealers.

Norman, without customers asking, refunded the overnight shipping charges, sent the bodies out to customers on the 23rd overnight with Saturday delivery, and paid for the costs themselves even though the problem wasn't of their making. Needless to say, Norman took an adverse situation and turned it to their advantage and earned a lot of goodwill in the process! It was a prime example of the right way to do customer service!
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Paul Anderson, Photographer
Münster | Germany | Germany | Posted: 10:58 AM on 11.27.07
->> UPS called my phone in Ohio this morning with an automated recording informing us that a delivery would arrive. At 10:00am Eastern Time my mother was visited by the man in the brown truck. My vendor did take some responsibility for the situation by providing UPS Next Day Air service for the price of Second Day Air.

Am I a bit bitter about the entire situation? Yes.

Should I blame my vendor? No.

I think the finger should be pointed at the person at Nikon who decided to ship a new line of cameras to dealers the day before Thanksgiving.

And a side note to help explain my elevated stress level. My wife and I had our first son two weeks ago. My mom will fly to Germany today to visit caring an Urban Disguise 50, D300 and the grip. I have done my best to keep her in the USA until the camera arrived.

I made it by 9 hours.

Paul
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Geoff Miller, Photographer
Portage | MI | USA | Posted: 12:52 PM on 11.27.07
->> Update: Nikon publishes custom picture controls for D300 and D3 that mimic the Color Modes of the D2x: http://www.dpreview.com/news/0711/07112701nikond2xmode.asp
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Michael Fullana, Photographer
Miami | FL | USA | Posted: 12:56 PM on 11.27.07
->> Awesome camera, autofocus is spot on, extremely precise and responsive, white balance can even be corrected for colorcast.. I had a couple of primes that I corrected with the AF fine tuning... now they are spot on..
colors are great,,,,overall, it fixes the flaws I found in the d2x...
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Chuck Steenburgh, Photographer
Lexington | VA | USA | Posted: 4:48 PM on 11.27.07
->> Well, I am now the proud ownwer of an MB-D10 and BL-3. My D300 is still languishing at Ritzcamera.com (they assure me they are holding it) while Ritz and Google checkout resolve unspecified issues.

I *did* attempt to order through a (former) SS sponsor but like some others here, never got a reply. :(

If anyone managed to get 2 D300 bodies and is waiting on the grip, I'd be happy to swap with you for a couple of weeks. :)

Chuck

PS I think Nikon clearly intended the Dx00 digital series to be perceived as "professional" just as the F100 was a professional (if not "flagship") film body. I think they missed the boat with the D100 (which was much closer to a digital N80 than a digital F100) but obviously learned their lesson with the D200 by giving it essential pro features like a workable sync speed and a magnesium alloy body. Notably, NPS also considers the D200 (and presumably D300) a "professional body" for membership qualification purposes. OTOH, those lamenting the disappearance of the voice recorder from the D100 might argue that it was a more "professional" body than the D200 or D300.
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Bill McGuire, Photographer, Assistant
Atlanta | GA | USA | Posted: 5:10 PM on 11.27.07
->> Well I just got the call from the wife. My D300 is home waiting for me in its nice brown box. Wolf Camera ( I guess its parent company is Ritz Camera) had them in stock in the warehouse on sunday afternoon. I ordered it and it was shipped to my house free of charge today. they didnt have the grip in stock so I am on the hunt for one of those, but I consider myself lucky to just have the camera without being on any list. Anyone know of a store where I can buy both the MB-D10 and the BL-3? All the stores I know have one or the other... There is a local store that has the grip in stock, but they want 299.95 for it but again, no BL-3. too much of a mark up just to have it today.
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Patrick Smith, Student/Intern, Photographer
Towson | MD | USA | Posted: 5:15 PM on 11.27.07
->> The biggest photo store here in Baltimore called me this morning and told me they had a D300 w/grip waiting for me to pick up. I was in there Saturday and asked about there shipment. I didn’t think they’d be calling me at 9 a.m. three days later.

So being anxious, I canceled my original order with Adorama since I ordered late and was on the backorder list. I figured I'd make someone on their waiting list happy by putting them one step closer to a new D300.

Now it's sitting at home, unopened, waiting for me to get out of class at 8:30p.m. Yeah, I might have to skip class.
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Paul Anderson, Photographer
Münster | Germany | Germany | Posted: 8:45 AM on 11.28.07
->> My D300 & grip arrived this morning.

This does not feel like an amateur camera. The grip is super solid. Better than my D200. I have never seen a F6 grip, but I suspect that it is very similar.

I have (2) D2x batteries, my original EN-EL4 and an aftermarket 2200mAh EN-EL4 type battery.

The MB-D10 will not function with the aftermarket battery.

Has anyone else experienced this?

Paul
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Paul Anderson, Photographer
Münster | Germany | Germany | Posted: 11:16 AM on 11.28.07
->> I would like to share more first impressions...

Super Sharp RAW files. Sharper than D2x or D200
Contrast and color saturation at ISO 200 equal to D2x & much better than D200.
Indoor window light images at ISO 1600 look like the D200 at ISO 640
On camera bounce flash performance equal to D2x. I always thought that the D200 performed very poorly with a flash.
I bought a 8GB SanDisk Extreme IV and it writes a full RAW buffer very quickly. Much faster than the D200.

The MB-D10 feels less like a grip, compared to the MB-D200, and more like part of the camera. The front fits my hand much better and the thumb position is much better then the D200 and also better than the D2x.

Paul
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Chuck Steenburgh, Photographer
Lexington | VA | USA | Posted: 6:20 PM on 11.29.07
->> Paul,

My original EN-EL4 works fine, but my Lenmar and Delkin (Adorama) replacements don't. The latter are not only cheaper, but last longer in my D2H.

Score another coup for Nikon's Department of Anti-Competitiveness & Customer-Screwing. :) A small gripe.

The UDMA write capability of this camera is sweet; I blasted away about 10-12 frames at 8 fps and the buffer cleared almost immediately with a UDMA CF card.

Chuck
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Gavin Werbeloff, Student/Intern, Photographer
Atlanta | GA | USA | Posted: 8:00 PM on 11.29.07
->> Has anyone compared write speed between UDMA and regular CF cards? I don't have any UDMA's but was relatively unimpressed with how quickly it takes for the buffer to empty on my Hoodman 133x's.
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Chuck Steenburgh, Photographer
Lexington | VA | USA | Posted: 9:43 PM on 11.29.07
->> Brian,

In a VERY informal test, I shot 20 frames at ~ 8 fps using a Lexar 300x UDMA and a San Disk Ultra II. The UDMA card finished writing the burst in about 10 seconds. The Ultra II took about 22 seconds, and most noticeably, the buffer was full before all 20 shots went off - the last five or six the frame rate dropped off noticeably.

Looks like those $15 Ultra II's weren't such a bargain after all (I figured as much, that's why I only bought one to compare all my new UDMA cards to!).

Chuck
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Ian Halperin, Photographer
Plano(Dallas) | TX | USA | Posted: 10:24 AM on 11.30.07
->> I can tell a difference in the write times as well. Obviously it shows up when you shoot bursts, but it really shows up every time you chimp/delete. At first i thought my delete button was sticking. I will just need to get used to it.

Like anything else, you're only as fast as your slowest link.
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Paul Anderson, Photographer
Münster | Germany | Germany | Posted: 11:27 AM on 11.30.07
->> Thanks for the info Chuck.

I ordered an EN-EL4a from the cheapest online shop I could find in Germany. My cost with sales tax and shipping was €85.30 or $105.37 after the sales tax is removed and €s are converted to $s (85.3/1.19*1.47).

I’m amazed that my cost is less than in the US.

If anyone is interested here is the link...

http://shop.multimedia.de/oxid.php/sid/dbbe615bcacd83037674e8c42dde5c79/cl/...

Paul
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Chuck Steenburgh, Photographer
Lexington | VA | USA | Posted: 11:29 AM on 12.01.07
->> Another innovation from the Department of Anti-Competitiveness & Customer Screwing: incompatible ICC profiles with CS2!

Anyone else experienced this? When loading a JPG (not raw, JPG) into CS2 from the D300, I'm told the ICC profile is invalid and it is discarded. My colors are jacked.

Doesn't seem to be a problem with CS3. Maybe they're in cahoots with Adobe's Department of Required Obsolescence.
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Paul Anderson, Photographer
Münster | Germany | Germany | Posted: 1:02 PM on 12.01.07
->> I shot a couple hundred frames today at an indoor dressage show.

ISO 2000 is beautiful with nice light and the correct exposure.

Noise in the blacks from overexposure at higher ISOs seems to be an issue with the D300. A proper exposure seems to be more critical than ever.

I feel very good about ISO 1250. I think it as good as ISO 500 with the D200.

I can't compare the D300 at ISO 1600 or 2000 to the D200.

The noise is so much different than ISO 640 & 800 with the D200.

I think the D300 is 1 1/3 stops better than the D200.

I’m still trying to nail down the AF settings. I’m not sure that the camera can AF a brown horse and a rider wearing a black coat at 8fps in low light.
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Thomas Boydston, Photo Editor, Student/Intern
Georgetown | Tx | United States | Posted: 1:51 PM on 12.01.07
->> I've read from several people about how there's so little noise. Well, from these samples it seems like there isn't much noise because of the aggressive noise removal. Is this all in my head? Don't get me wrong, those shots are -stunning- compared to my d200 at those ISOs. I have no detail due to noise and it looks like some detail is lost here in arm hair etc. because of noise removal. Have I expected the low noise we might see with the dSLR 20 years in the future?
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