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Nikon D300 samples
Dave Einsel, Photographer, Photo Editor
Houston/Friendswood | TX | United States | Posted: 9:25 PM on 10.08.07
->> After posting the D3 sample files, there were a few people that wanted to see D300 files.

I got my hands on one and went to a high school football game to try it out. The camera worked pretty well. The drive is quick enough for most things and the auto focus was good with a 400/2.8. The higher ISO files were a bit noisy but still quite good considering they are at ISO 3200 and 6400. Nikon changed a few buttons and functions around from the D200 and the new LCD screen is very nice.

A gallery with 1500 px files can be seen at:

http://galleries.daveeinsel.com/d300test

Full res files can be downloaded at:

http://tinyurl.com/2kyb6p

A final repeat for those who have not seen the D3 files:

http://galleries.daveeinsel.com/d3test

http://tinyurl.com/3bpudf
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Walter Calahan, Photographer
Westminster | MD | USA | Posted: 9:28 PM on 10.08.07
->> So what buttons did they move this time?
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Dave Einsel, Photographer, Photo Editor
Houston/Friendswood | TX | United States | Posted: 9:41 PM on 10.08.07
->> The controls on top are the same. The D300 playback/view button is where the BKT button is on the D200. Also, there is now a dedicated enlarging button. I think both improve the functionality of the camera but I have not used the D200 very much.

And, of course, the contact arrangement for the battery grip has changed so the MB-D200 is not compatible with the D300.
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Chris Williams, Photographer, Photo Editor
Stevenson Ranch | CA | USA | Posted: 9:43 PM on 10.08.07
->> ISO 6400 looks like 1600 on the D200. Not too bad. I'm still loving those D3 files though. Do you have anything in the ISO 2000 range for either camera?
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Dave Einsel, Photographer, Photo Editor
Houston/Friendswood | TX | United States | Posted: 9:53 PM on 10.08.07
->> Sorry, I did not shoot anything at intermediate ISO's. The camera does allow for 1/3 stop ISO changes but for purposes of the test, I stuck with the normal progression.
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Jeffery Patch, Student/Intern, Photographer
Huntington Beach | CA | USA | Posted: 10:15 PM on 10.08.07
->> Thanks Dave!

3200 looks great. 6400 is ok. I hoped for more out of 6400 but nevertheless, I'm still happy I pre-ordered and can't wait! This will do wonders for me this season!
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Paul Anderson, Photographer
Münster | Germany | Germany | Posted: 11:46 PM on 10.08.07
->> Thanks so very much Dave!

I'm so very impressed! I think ISO 800 & 1600 are an improvement of an entire stop over the D200. I think 3200 & 6400 will be fine for normal newspaper work where I resize to 2400 pixels on one side and add a bunch of sharpening.

Did you use the grip? If so, will the camera focus at 8 fps?

I'm so happy I didn't sell my Nikon glass and switch to Canon!

I can't wait to tell my 200 f2 the good news!

Thanks, Paul
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JohnPaul Greco, Photographer, Assistant
Milwaukee | WI | USA | Posted: 1:40 AM on 10.09.07
->> That's a LOT better than the 40D! :-(

crap!

JP
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JohnPaul Greco, Photographer, Assistant
Milwaukee | WI | USA | Posted: 1:46 AM on 10.09.07
->> I should have included this pic by Tim:

http://timsteadman.smugmug.com/gallery/3405060/1/190499543#190499543-O-LB

...taken with a 40D at 3200iso.. Just look at that wonderful RGB mosaic..

...Woopie..!

:-|

JP
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Dave Einsel, Photographer, Photo Editor
Houston/Friendswood | TX | United States | Posted: 1:25 PM on 10.09.07
->> Sorry folks. Too many people have downloaded the full rez files from the .Mac site and they have shut it down for a week or so because of bandwidth restrictions. You can still view large images at the galleries.daveeinsel.com sites.

If I can figure out another way to post the full res files, I'll post info here.

Who'ld have guessed it would take less than a day to max out...
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Geoff Miller, Photographer
Portage | MI | USA | Posted: 2:30 PM on 10.09.07
->> The problem was that your examples were quickly noted over on the DPReview forums and the "pixel peepers" went spaz on the photos.

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1039&message=25135711
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Doug Holleman, Photographer
Temple | TX | USA | Posted: 7:03 PM on 10.10.07
->> Dear Santa...
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Grant Blankenship, Photographer
Macon | GA | USA | Posted: 10:36 AM on 10.11.07
->> Thanks for posting those, Dave. That was exactly the kind of thing I think most of us needed to see.
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Erik Anderson, Photographer
Kansas City | MO | | Posted: 6:55 AM on 10.13.07
->> Thanks for putting those up for use to see Dave. The 6400 is well within usable for night football images and is a good improvement from the current offering!.

Anything to report on how it handled?
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Denny Medley, Photographer, Photo Editor
Kansas City | MO | USA | Posted: 9:03 PM on 10.14.07
->> Dave,
Just saw this thread, and can't get to your .Mac site (which I understand from your earlier post) so I was wondering at what shutter speed most of these files were taken?
Also, did you have any in-camera noise reduction turned on, or what?

Regardless, these files look awesome. I've been on a waiting list for both the D3 and D300 for a month or so now, and can't wait to get both in my hands come November.
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Dave Einsel, Photographer, Photo Editor
Houston/Friendswood | TX | United States | Posted: 10:51 PM on 10.14.07
->> Denny,

This is way more than you asked for but I figured it would help if I hit some of the things I have been asked by folks from other forums...including those bandwidth gobbling "pixel peepers" Geoff mentioned. The .Mac site will probably go away but the galleries.daveeinsel.com pages will continue.

In both the D3 and D300 tests there was no post production noise reduction added. The images were made with in-camera NR set at the default of NORM. I did not test it at HIGH or LOW. It should be noted that several versions of my pictures have been processed by folks who have downloaded them and reposted them in other forums. The "processed" files that I have seen posted have that unnatural NR overdrive look that I really don't care for. I would rather see a detailed "grainy" picture than a smooth mushy one.

All of the photos were made with a Nikon 400/2.8.

Light in HS football stadiums is generally awful. Light in NFL stadiums is generally better. Using the D3, Peyton Manning was shot from a distance at 2000th @ 4 at ISO 3200. However, the HS QB #7 was shot extremely close at 1000th @ 2.8 at ISO 6400. But what really impressed me with the D3 was the girl with the hat in the stands shot at 400th @ 2.8 at ISO 3200. It looks like it was made in better light but it was in fact more than 2 stops darker than the light on the field.

On the other hand, the D300 pictures of the girl in red at ISO 3200 was shot at 640th @ 2.8. It simply is not as crisp. The D300 HS football action was shot from 500th @ 2.8 to 1000th @ 5.6. I think the D300 @ 6400 is quite mushy but certainly useable. I think the 3200 is better and the 800 to be very good.

It's really difficult to compare apples to apples without shooting side by side with the same lens at the same subject but I did not have the two cameras at the same time. But frankly, my intent was not to compare the cameras but to show how each performed in real world situations. I think comparing the two cameras is kind of like comparing a new Mercedes to a new Ford. Though both can be very good instruments, one will certainly out perform the other.

I find it interesting that technology has brought us to a point where we can debate the merits of a camera at ISO 6400. Personally, I'd rather be shooting Kodachrome 25. Still, I feel both cameras make usable files for certain applications at ISO 6400. I have also been in situations where the D3 at ISO 25600 would be welcomed if it meant I could make an image that told the story.
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Denny Medley, Photographer, Photo Editor
Kansas City | MO | USA | Posted: 11:20 PM on 10.14.07
->> Dave,
Thanks for those details. And I agree - it's really awesome that we can have this discussion about these high ISO's and noise levels (what we used to call grain!).
But, as technology increases, so do the expectations of our editors and the public in general. Not to mention us - the 'always looking for the next best shot' photographers!

I also like your example of comparison between the D3 and D300 - I agree - they are two really different cameras and should not be compared 'apples to apples'.

Thanks again for the details - I'm keeping my name on that list!
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