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OT: New iMacs! Nice and thin.
Eric S. Swist, Photographer
The Woodlands | TX | USA | Posted: 3:06 PM on 08.07.07
->> All Apple fans, take a look over at the Apple website looks like Apple has released lots of goodies today:

- New iMacs, sleek and thin
- iLife '08
- iWork '08
- Cool new keyboards
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Walter Calahan, Photographer
Westminster | MD | USA | Posted: 4:49 PM on 08.07.07
->> I'm very excited about the new iLife'08 for the improvements to iWeb.

Looking forward to upgrading my web site when the new iWeb is released.

I've put my name on the list at our local Mac provider. Yippee.
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John Mecionis, Photographer
Port Jefferson Station | NY | USA | Posted: 5:46 PM on 08.07.07
->> That makes me so happy. I bought ilife 06 last week!.
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Eric S. Swist, Photographer
The Woodlands | TX | USA | Posted: 5:46 PM on 08.07.07
->> Walter: the updates to iLife seem like they were well overdue. I'm very excited about some of the new features. I like the fact that iWeb now offers better integration when using your own domain name and the ability to add web-widgets etc.

Also, the new Spreadsheet application from Apple, "Numbers", looks really slick and well put-together.

Note: For those of you with Aperture installed, you should fire-up Software Update as there is a new update for Aperture. It will help with better integration with the new iLife '08 suite.

I'm liking the 10GB upgrade for the .Mac service, the attachment limit finally came up to par with GMail and the rest. It's about time for a service you pay $99 a year for to at least match the current "free" webmail offerings.
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Robert Catto, Photographer
Wellington | NZ | New Zealand | Posted: 6:40 PM on 08.07.07
->> Hang on there, iMac enthusiasts - just spotted this bit:

> Rich, vivid color.
No matter what you like to do on your computer — watch movies, edit photos, play games, even just view a screen saver — it’s going to look stunning on an iMac. That’s because iMac now features a glossy display with glass cover that makes graphics, photos, and videos come alive with richer colors and deeper blacks.

So it's gloss-only for the screen...not necessarily the best thing for image editing, from what I hear?
R
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Eric S. Swist, Photographer
The Woodlands | TX | USA | Posted: 6:48 PM on 08.07.07
->> Robert: from what I've heard Apple is slowly moving ALL their displays to be a glass-front LCD with a glossy finish.

Apparently, they got really good feedback regarding the display on the iPhone, people liked the glossy finish and more contrast in the colors.

I agree, out-of-the-box it wouldn't be my pick for image editing (which is why I picked the matte finish display on my MacBook Pro over the glossy), however, can't it be corrected with a good color-calibration tool?
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Steven E. Frischling, Photographer
Live HVN : Work SFO-NYC | | | Posted: 7:15 PM on 08.07.07
->> Glossy Screen Only!

Boooooooooooooooo
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Robert Catto, Photographer
Wellington | NZ | New Zealand | Posted: 8:16 PM on 08.07.07
->> > ...can't it be corrected with a good color-calibration tool?

I don't think so, really - just because the main problem is that it's showing you a 'ghost' image of whatever is in front of it, laid over your image; so it can be managed (relatively speaking) by putting a shade / housing over the whole monitor, controlling the lights in your room so they don't land on the monitor or anything in front of it, painting the room a neutral grey and wearing neutral grey yourself when you sit in front of it...that ought to solve it!
R
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Walter Calahan, Photographer
Westminster | MD | USA | Posted: 9:29 PM on 08.07.07
->> iPhoto has advanced color correction that gives the user color, saturation, sharpening, etc., that looks similar to Aperture. So you don't have to click once for 'rich, vivid color' if you don't want to.

Best to watch Apple's introductory video all the way through to see their advance color and image tools before you jump to a conclusion.
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Tom Knier, Photographer
Landisville | PA | USA | Posted: 9:57 AM on 08.08.07
->> Don't know how crazy I'd be for those keyboards, though.
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David Harpe, Photographer
Louisville | KY | USA | Posted: 10:25 AM on 08.08.07
->> There's also kinda expensive, all things considered.
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Robert Longhitano, Photographer
Philadelphia | PA | USA | Posted: 10:42 AM on 08.08.07
->> Fish: Hopefully there not going to take this "take it of leave it attitude" with their laptops. I could live with a glossy screen with a desktop setup as long as you can keep the room dark.
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David Hudson, Photographer
Temple City | CA | USA | Posted: 11:07 AM on 08.08.07
->> FYI, be sure to read the system requirements, especially if you are thinking of using iMovie on an older Mac (say, a PowerBook...)

iMovie requires a Mac with an Intel processor, a Power Mac G5 (dual 2.0GHz or faster), or an iMac G5 (1.9GHz or faster).

:(

To be fair, G4's are still ok in the overall system requirements, and I'm guessing iMovie would still run, but might drag when doing HD work on a G4.
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Karl Anderson, Student/Intern, Photographer
Lubbock | TX | USA | Posted: 11:56 AM on 08.08.07
->> I just got that sweet new, ultra thin computer. Mine even folds in half and comes with a battery!
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Jeff Gritchen, Photographer
Long Beach | CA | USA | Posted: 12:10 PM on 08.08.07
->> just got the new iLife -

the installer will not let iMovie install on a Powerbook G4

everything else works fine
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JohnPaul Greco, Photographer, Assistant
Milwaukee | WI | USA | Posted: 12:59 PM on 08.08.07
->> Gosh,...I just bought my 24" less than a month ago... I just knew I should have waited,....Although, I do happen to like the matt screen over their new glossy ones! :-)

JP
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Andrew Villa, Student/Intern, Photographer
Dublin | CA | United States | Posted: 1:17 PM on 08.08.07
->> Same here JohnPaul!

oh well! I think I like the white computer better...
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Samuel Lewis, Photographer
Miami | FL | USA | Posted: 1:31 PM on 08.08.07
->> I spoke with my Apple rep. this morning regarding the glossy screen and calibration. Apparently, the screen differs from the glossy version that shipped on MacBook Pros six months ago, and the new glossy screen is capable of proper calibration.
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David Harpe, Photographer
Louisville | KY | USA | Posted: 10:12 PM on 08.10.07
->> Just saw one in the store. It's a really glossy screen. Looks nice, but it really reflects a lot. Would be a problem in my studio.

Buy stock in the company that makes the first anti-glare attachment (remember those from the 90's? :-). It will be a popular accessory for these new machines.
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Andrew Villa, Student/Intern, Photographer
Dublin | CA | United States | Posted: 1:30 AM on 08.11.07
->> I went into the apple store last night since i bought a new computer about three weeks ago to see if they could upgrade me to ilife 08, unfortunately they said no. Kinda bummed me out, especially cause it would be nice to have.

oh well
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Thomas E. Witte, Photographer, Photo Editor
Cincinnati | OH | USA | Posted: 1:44 AM on 08.11.07
->> Are the keyboards touch pad or are they spring-loaded like the current keyboards? My fiancé had a bit of a sledgehammer thumb and we're going through space bars like nobodies business.
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Patrick Smith, Student/Intern, Photographer
Towson | MD | USA | Posted: 9:57 AM on 08.11.07
->> Thomas, at my college paper we tear through some keyboards. With 15 iMacs continually being smashed on to meet deadline, we get on average three new keyboards a month! You would think we typed with baseball bats.

But, with that said, I am really interested in testing out one of those new keyboards.
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Samuel Lewis, Photographer
Miami | FL | USA | Posted: 2:18 PM on 08.11.07
->> New keyboards feel like something in between. They don't feel spring-loaded, but are not as mushy as touch pads. The new keyboard as more of the feel of the current MacBooks (not the MacBook Pros). If you're accustomed to the PowerBook/MacBook Pro keyboard, it is going to take some time to adjust.

I looked at one the new systems today, and second the comment about reflections. The systems look very sharp, but the glass is EXTREMELY reflective. I don't think there's an angle where you can avoid some sort of reflection on the screen.
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David Meyer, Photographer
Orlando | FL | USA | Posted: 9:31 PM on 08.11.07
->> Went to the Apple store here in Orlando tonight with the intention of picking up a 24-inch model and left empty-handed and a bit disenchanted.
As mentioned, the screen is ridiculously reflective and there is a noticeable color-shift from a wide viewing angle (not that I spend a lot of time looking at the monitor from the side).
I asked the local "Geniuses/Genii" a few questions and I'm afraid they didn't live up to their name. Couldn't tell me if the monitors could be calibrated correctly or what type of DIMM the machines accepted.
I was ultimately told the new iMac motherboards accept either 800MHz or 667MHz RAM modules yet it comes from the factory with 667MHz. If you want to get the "most" out of the machine, you need to dump a perfectly good 667MHz 1GB chip and start from scratch with 800MHz chips. (Disclaimer: I'm not sure how much of an advantage 800MHz gives you.)
I didn't have a problem with the keyboard. It sure looks nice, but would probably take some time to get acclimated to. The mouse flat out sucks (still) and the cords on both remain too short.
All in all, I think this is fine machine, but it probably wouldn't meet the needs of discerning photographers/designers simply because of the display. I'm realizing now that perhaps Apple intended it that way - with the matte screen hardware (MBP and Cinema Displays), along with their hefty price tags, serving as the gatekeepers of the professional market.
BTW - They're still selling previous generation (white) iMacs. The 24-inch model is going for $1,699, or $100 less than the new 24-incher. You can also pick up one of the older 24-inch iMacs without the gloss screen as a refurb for $1,499. Furthermore, the previous generation comes with what some consider to be a better video card (Nvidia GeForce 7300GT).
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Jarod Opperman, Student/Intern, Assistant
Eugene | OR | USA | Posted: 3:15 PM on 08.12.07
->> As concerned as I am about the keyboards and glossy screens, has anyone else given Apple's campaign a second look?

"You can't be too thin. Or too powerful."

Me? Or the computers? Haha.

Eating disorders and steroids, back on the rise. *sigh*
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Andrew Villa, Student/Intern, Photographer
Dublin | CA | United States | Posted: 4:02 PM on 08.12.07
->> After reading this thread more carefully especially David's post makes me glad that I just went ahead and got my Imac before, even though i am a little dissapointed that I can't get iLife 08', i may just have to throw down and get it myself for the 80 bucks...
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Louie Traub, Photographer
Las Vegas | NV | United States | Posted: 5:22 PM on 08.12.07
->> Anyone who was considering an imac purchase, before this new release, considering just picking up an old model because of the screen? I think I may. Nobody at Apple seemed to know if they would be releasing a new imac in matte in the near future.
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David Meyer, Photographer
Orlando | FL | USA | Posted: 7:32 PM on 08.12.07
->> Louie,
Since my visit to the Apple store I've been waffling back and forth between sticking with XP on my current machines until it dies (Microsoft will stop selling it in January 2008 and I believe stop supporting it in 4Q 2008) or moving to the Mac platform is some form or another. I've experimented with Vista and I'm not big fan.
I've been debating picking up a previous generation 24" iMac (new - $1,699/refurb - $1,499) as the first benchmarks for the new 24s don't seem to offer tremendous improvements and I think the glossy display is a deal-breaker for me:
Macworld's iMac Benchmarks -
http://tinyurl.com/3y932k
Another option is taking a step up to the Mac Pro. This is obviously a bigger ding in the wallet (new - $2,499/refurb - $2,199), but may be more "future-proof." It can be upgraded and its performance already/obviously exceeds that of the newest iMac:
Mac Pro -
http://tinyurl.com/fqohy
Also, the Mac Pro is still current generation technology - the one thing that makes me hesitant about buying the previous generation iMac. That old addage of "buying the best you can afford right now" keeps ringing in my ear.
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Kevin M. Cox, Photographer, Assistant
Galveston / Houston | TX | US | Posted: 8:40 PM on 08.12.07
->> I just returned from my local Apple Store and am also quite disappointed with the new LCD. Not only is it glossy but it is entirely covered by a plate of glass. Very reflective. With Aperture opened and no photo selected (just the solid grey background) it was like looking in a (dull) mirror.

In my opinion one of the key benefits of an LCD over a CRT monitor is the reduced glare from loosing the glass screen. Apple went and ruined that benefit with these new iMacs.
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Daniel Nicholson, Student/Intern
Halifax | NS | Canada | Posted: 10:35 PM on 08.12.07
->> Hey David, Microsoft will continue support of XP well into 2014 so you have plenty of time.

That said if I were you I would spend the extra cash and get the Mac Pro. Its an amazing machine and will last you years.
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Kevin M. Cox, Photographer, Assistant
Galveston / Houston | TX | US | Posted: 11:03 PM on 08.12.07
->> Another note of interest:
Reader research over at MacInTouch shows that the display panel used in the new Aluminum 20" iMac is of inferior quality to the 24" and even to the old white 20" model. (LG Philips LM201WE3)
http://www.macintouch.com/readerreports/imacaluminum/index.html

A quick quote since reading that site can be difficult due to the clutter:
"The 20" uses a TN display, which means 6-bit color and dithering. The 24" uses a S-IPS display, which is capable of true 8-bit color."
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Kevin M. Cox, Photographer, Assistant
Galveston / Houston | TX | US | Posted: 3:53 PM on 08.13.07
->> Here is some more display information courtesy of a posting on DPReview:
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1017&message=24321625

Two quick quotes from the post by "uwe_r":
"20" model: For professional ... graphics use the 20" is clearly out without using an external display - aRGB files do not display with all colours, there is dithering going on in colour gradients, blocking in grey gradients and there is quite some black clipping."

"24" model: Better, but not great and clearly worse than the previous 24" model, cannot compare to the 23" ACD. aRGB images displayed more accurately, gradients were a lot smoother, but still far from the ACD or the previous 24" model; black clipping does occur, but is significantly less than with the 20" model"
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Adam Cairns, Photographer
Columbus | OH | USA | Posted: 8:48 PM on 08.13.07
->> Funny, Apple even went to the trouble of putting an extraordinary amount of glare on this computer on the new commercials. It makes it impossible to see half the screen!
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Louie Traub, Photographer
Las Vegas | NV | United States | Posted: 9:42 PM on 08.13.07
->> Not sure if it'll help at all, but I let Apple know I wasn't thrilled about their new release. Here's the feedback link if you want to drop them a note:

http://www.apple.com/feedback/imac.html
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