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Baltimore Sun Photo Staff On Byline Strike
Rich Dennison, Photographer
Baltimore | MD | USA | Posted: 1:11 PM on 06.12.07
->> I found this on-line and thought it would be of interest.

"Baltimore Sun staff photographers have initiated a byline strike to protest a proposal that would allow reporters to shoot more photos."

"Eighteen members of the photo staff – including all 16 photographers and two picture editors who also shoot photos – are taking part in the byline strike, Davis says."

Link:
http://www.pdnonline.com/pdn/newswire/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=10...

Rich
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Walter Calahan, Photographer
Westminster | MD | USA | Posted: 1:14 PM on 06.12.07
->> Wow, what are the odd of that? Two threads started about the same topic with the same headline.

I don't know which one to read?
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Vincent Johnson, Photo Editor, Photographer
Chicago | IL | USA | Posted: 2:47 PM on 06.12.07
->> I say let the reporters take the images. But hold them accountable for them too. If they miss an image or screw up the exposure or focus they should get fired for incompetence. Other words the paper as well as the medium will suffer as people notice a lack of quality.

Heck! Let the photogs write a few articles as well. I'm really how hard is it to write at an 8th grade level?
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Mike Brice, Photographer
Toledo | OH | USA | Posted: 3:55 PM on 06.12.07
->> Like a byline strike is going to do anything.

Only other photographers, reports and their Moms look at the byline.

Unions have become a waste because they do stupid stuff like this. If they object, do something that is going to make a difference.

Just like the Toledo Union - 9 months after they walked out, they vote to approve contracts that significantly cut their salaries. I know how they can get a raise - decertify the union and they'll get a 2 percent raise that they pay in union dues.
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Wesley R. Bush, Photographer
Nashville | TN | U.S. | Posted: 4:07 PM on 06.12.07
->> I'm also wondering as to what effect the lack of photo bylines will have. They're still doing the work, just not getting the credit.

"In a letter to Sun editor Tim Franklin Thursday, the photo staff argued that the proposal is "a recipe for mediocrity."
One part of the letter says,
"The chief demand for the new media is more video, not more stories. Therefore, it appears the company intends to equip writers with cameras, not photojournalists with pads and pens. The implication is that it is easier to teach photo skills than writing skills. Yet if video is a hot priority for the web, shouldn't good quality video be a priority? If the new paradigm is storytelling through still and video images, shouldn't we be trying to excel in these areas to be competitive?"

What do you think of that?
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James W. Prichard, Photographer, Photo Editor
Portland | OR | USA | Posted: 4:26 PM on 06.12.07
->> I think it should be good for the photographers at the Baltimore Sun to finally have some competition.
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Jeff Mills, Photographer, Photo Editor
Columbus | OH | USA | Posted: 5:53 PM on 06.12.07
->> Crazy.... at the weekly I'm an editor for everytime they have a photo request for something pointless like a headshot etc I'm always thinking "can't we just have a reporter with a point and shoot take that, its not hard" LOL
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Colin Corneau, Photographer
Brandon | MB | Canada | Posted: 6:13 PM on 06.12.07
->> I can't wait for the members who are bitching out the Baltimore Sun shooters to turn around and protest photographers who give away rights/do work for free to get a foot in the door/etc. -- as if there's a difference in photographers standing up for their industry.
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Andrew Carpenean, Photographer
Laramie | WY | USA | Posted: 7:49 PM on 06.12.07
->> Seems like an insult to teach basic camera operations to suffice a situation when in actuality it takes refined skills, years of dedication and study with god given talent to make compelling images in a predictable manner. With 18 staff photographers it would appear as though there would be a way to manage the workflow to provide still images as well multimedia.

Too bad the photo staff needs to make a point with no bylines, however it doesn't sound like an end all resolution.
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Jeff Mills, Photographer, Photo Editor
Columbus | OH | USA | Posted: 11:01 PM on 06.12.07
->> Andrew, does it really take "refined skills, years of dedication and study with god given talent" to take some simple reportage style images ? I think not.

I've had reporters at my paper quite often do their own photography and their results are always just fine. After doing a simple interview they can take a simple mugshot to run with the story. Sorry but not every story needs a posed or creative protrait. Sometimes a mugshot is all you need and you certainly don't need years of experience for that.

Maybe I'm an elist or whatever else people want to call me, but I personally don't even like to be bothered with assignments like that. I don't want to waste 45 minutes driving across town to take a mugshot of someone that may not even run. The reporter was there, the reporter could of taken the shot. A person with 0 training could honestly take that shot. I could give my mother a camera and she could take that shot.

This isn't to say that theres not a need for skilled photographers by any means. There certainly are times when you absolutely need skilled and talented people. Yet there are times you don't.



Lets think of it a different way, a resturant. I was a restaurant manager before I got into photography so its a perfect example for me.

Lets say Ive got 10 servers and 5 kitchen staff. Most of my cooking task are difficult and I need people at the top of their game. Others such as tossing a salad are brainless work.

I've got the servers walking to the back of the house to put in their orders anyways and then they wait for the salad. I'm already paying the server and I'm also paying a kitchen worker to make salads. If I have the servers make the salads instead of just standing around what happens ? A few things

1) The salads come out faster and always have the right dressings etc.

2) I can use a smaller kitchen crew and save about $500 a week on payroll

3) The quality for the customer is unaffected


Using a staff photographer for any and all assignments is just not effiecent. It would be like paying a skilled chef $30/hr to work the fountain soda machine. I dont care what restaurant your talking about, servers always fill their own drinks as far as I've seen.


I certainly don't want to see anyone lose a job, take a pay cut etc, but we've got to be realistic about cut costing and running a smart business in this day and age.

If you can combine a job function and have the same level of output, is there any logical reason not to do it ?

I'm obviously removed from the situation as its not my job, my families support, on the line.

I know that what looks good on paper and that gives a strong bottom line can hurt real people.

Dispite all that, business is business. When I ran a restaurant I didn't keep more staff than I needed simply because I wanted everyone to have a job. I had a responsibility to the owners to make thier investment profitable.

A newspaper is no different.

Neither is US factory workers striking because their jobs are going oversea's.

No one wants to see any actions happen that could/would cost them their jobs.
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D. Ross Cameron, Photographer
Oakland | CA | USA | Posted: 5:40 AM on 06.13.07
->> There are so many specious arguments put forth in this thread, I hardly know where to start without simply throwing up my hands and moving on to youporn.com.

But, silence would defeat the purpose of not only the thread, but of this site as well, so...

Mr. Brice makes an excellent argument for all of you union members who wish to receive a 2% raise. Certainly, decertify your union and my goodness, why if you were making $20/hour (which most of you aren't), that would work out to a whopping extra $832 (pretax) a year! Oh my God! Someone pinch me!

And perhaps, if you're really lucky, your employers will feel it necessary to give you another raise someday. Or maybe they won't. And, without the union to force their hand, that 2% increase may be the last "pay raise" you ever get.

Since Mr. Brice, a freelance photographer, has apparently never worked for a newspaper, he can't have known the joy of being unable to charge more for his services. I am assuming that, since he started his business, the rates have gone up. More than 2%, even.

Mr. Mills -- whose excellent member page, contrasted with his "anybody can do this s***" attitude, makes you wonder if he even knows the value of his own work -- argues that skilled photographers aren't even necessary for a preponderance of daily art.

He makes three presumptions with which I am uncomfortable -- one, that any reporter on assignment would immediately recognize the potential for anything more than a mug shot or simple environmental portrait, i.e., the exact kind of compelling art that professional photographers are sent along to make in the first place; two, that reporters would actually "drive 45 minutes across town" for an interview in the first place -- reporters at every paper I've ever worked at (and that would be six, thank you very much) have been perfectly happy to "phone it in" whenever possible; and three, that there is actually any applicable relationship in this case between the food service industry and professional photojournalism.

Of course, we could always simply ask our subjects to submit a head shot, because that would certainly increase our already stellar credibility factor with our readership.

The Sun staff's choice to stage a byline boycott may or may not have the desired effect -- to make editors reconsider the importance of compelling images produced by reporters specially trained to produce them -- but to simply stand by and allow our work to be handed off to folks with a point-and-shoot is no better or worse than allowing the general public to start providing the art for our publications. I applaud them for taking a stand and, by God, some of you ought to go to the bank, take out a big withdrawal, and BUY A CLUE!

So f***ing tired of it all,
DRC
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Shaun Ward, Photographer
Perth | Tayside | Scotland UK | Posted: 6:23 AM on 06.13.07
->> The Baltimore Suns photo staff action may seem like hollow action but you have to bear in mind that this is likely to be the first step that leads to photographers jobs being cut.
Once the owners realise that half the paper is being filled with reporters images do you think thay will still need 16 photographers?

This is the way of the world but you must stand up and fight your corner. It would be interesting to know the reporters feeling on this.
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Andrew Carpenean, Photographer
Laramie | WY | USA | Posted: 2:13 PM on 06.13.07
->> Jeff,

There is no need to clarify your point with just the beginning part of my comments. You clearly don't understand the position this places the photography in staff in and having been in this business for awhile there will probably be a good chance some jobs may be cut as Shaun points out. No, you don't have to have refined skills to take mug shots, but unless you are running mugs of the whole senior class or city council members or a murder suspect etc... a mug shot is a last resort in the type of photography to shoot for your newspaper. At least an environmental portrait would be much better.

When all of a sudden management wants reporters to shoot their own pictures instead of utilizing your photography staff that is already in place (an award-winning staff), in my opinion there is a serious issue at hand, a major red flag. And pretty soon reporters won't stop at taking just mugs and will shoot their own assignments, it's really a no brainer.
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Rob Ostermaier, Photographer
Newport News | VA | USA | Posted: 3:15 PM on 06.13.07
->> Andrew is correct.

Reporters using cameras is a very slippery slope. It starts out with management saying that all they'll shoot are building portraits and mug shots which is fine by me. What ends up happening is lazy reporters who don't want to put assignments in or take the time to speak with a picture editor will shoot assignments on their own.

How do I know all this? Because that is excatly how it happened at my paper. Really terrible point and shoot photos end up on section fronts all the time and people wonder why circualtions keep declining. It's a self fulfilling prophacy. We're killing ourselves because standards have been lowered so far that any photo will do.

A great or even a good photo on A1 or the local front pulls people into the paper. It makes them want to look. What happens when that goes away? When you give people less they expect less and will eventually turn to another source for quality information.

Quote from James in Portland:

"I think it should be good for the photographers at the Baltimore Sun to finally have some competition."

The Sun photographers are standing up for all of us. This is an issue that will effect everyone sooner or later and someday you may lose your freelance business to a reporter with a point-and-shoot leaving you selling cameras at Best Buy. Think about that before you shoot your mouth off next time!
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Kevin Johnston, Photographer
Oden | MI | USA | Posted: 3:41 PM on 06.13.07
->> If newspapers are cutting costs by cutting staff why is it that I don't see a greater number of threads here discussing things that photographers can do to become more versatile and thereby increasing their job retention potential?

Why aren't there more positive discussions about writing and blogging as a way to increase the value of your photography? Newspapers and the web are visual mediums. Why aren't we discussing ways to capitalize on our visual capture skills rather than just complaining about reporters taking away jobs?

Lets face the facts here. In today's business environment if you don't want the reporters doing your job you better either find a way to add to the value of what you do or learn how to do their's.

Ok, throw what you want just nothing hard, sharp or sticky.

Kevin
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William Luther, Photographer
San Antonio | TX | USA | Posted: 6:21 PM on 06.13.07
->> Kevin says: "Why aren't there more positive discussions about writing and blogging as a way to increase the value of your photography?"

My response is why don't better pictures increase the value of our photography?

Don't get me wrong. I'm not against writing or blogging. But I just think we need to try harder to impress upon people what good pictures and quality video will do for story telling.

William
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Kevin Johnston, Photographer
Oden | MI | USA | Posted: 7:53 PM on 06.13.07
->> William,

"Demand" for better pictures increases the value of photography and photographers.

If a paper can cut its photo staff from 15 to 10 by having reporters shoot routine fluff assignments in a satisfactory manner why wouldn't they? Its a perfectly logical and responsible decision for management to make. Not popular but practical.

My point was, if papers are going to keep reporters because they can make them more versatile and cut photo staffs why aren't photographers making more of an effort to make themselves more versatile?

This seems like the perfect place to discuss those types of issues so why aren't we doing it?

Kevin
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James W. Prichard, Photographer, Photo Editor
Portland | OR | USA | Posted: 8:03 PM on 06.13.07
->> Rob,

I tried emailing you in person but you email doesn't work from ss.com

Cheers -
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Rob Ostermaier, Photographer
Newport News | VA | USA | Posted: 8:34 PM on 06.13.07
->> I'm here James. Talk to me.
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Patrick Smith, Student/Intern, Photo Editor
Forest Hill | MD | USA | Posted: 8:38 PM on 06.13.07
->> This link was posted by a Sun photographer on his blog:

http://www.sunemployeeinfo.com/bargfocus0612.html
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Eric Canha, Photographer
Brockton | MA | United States | Posted: 9:06 PM on 06.13.07
->> From the link above
"....The millions of people who go to YouTube.com every month, for instance, clearly are not going for the stunning technical excellence of their offerings, but rather for the content of them.".....

I think that sums up the papers view perfectly. As long as its good enough to drive a few million eyes someone else can shoot for the Pulitzer.

Now will someone help whoever wrote that piece pull the boot out of their mouth.
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Heather Hughes, Photographer
Newport News | VA | USA | Posted: 9:17 PM on 06.13.07
->> First, thank you to the handful of members who seem to get why this trend is so dangerous to our profession.

I work at a sister paper for the Balimore Sun, and our reporters got the cameras and video cameras last year, and all it has done is hurt the quality and look of our paper. Assignments are worse because the reporters don't take the time to make it work for a photographer, and we get to spend time editing their crappy work to make it publishable.

And yes, we still drive 45 min. for a building mug so that didn't stop either. And yes, you can easily screw up a mug shot (most of them are out of focus, have trees growing out of their heads, under or over exposed, etc.) Even with their extensive 2hr long training class with our photo editor.

This is the second newspaper I have worked at that has made this move of handing cameras to reporters. It is never good, doesn't stop at the "fluff" assignments and only serves to encourage people to undervalue their photo staffs and the power of photographs in general.

Yes, reporters can not tell the difference between a good assignment (to ask for a photographer) and a bad one, they just take the easiest path at the time. We run more glorified headshots, shot by the photo staff, than ever before because there is no incentive to work with us to come up with something better. They don't think visually, and now they don't talk to the visual people, so now the paper sucks visually.

We have reporter photos and reader photos as CENTERPIECE on our front pages, and I'm not talking about spot news here. We are a 100,000 circ. daily so this is not just a problem for weeklies.

"Training" is not only a joke (who doesn't know how to use a digital camera point & shoot) but degrades what we do. So anyone with a couple hours of instruction can be as good as Carol Guzy? So the years many of us have spent at college, or working, perfecting our ability to capture the moment and compose has no value?

Yes, there are never enough photographers to cover everything. But should we cover everything? Do we write a story about everything or do we filter out things that aren't newsworthy?

Sure, we can all write a story but will it engage readers? We have our skills and they have theirs.

Yes, the internet means people want to see more. But they are seeing more so don't you think the average reader now has an above average visual eye? While readers can't explain why, they know when they see great photography and mediocre. We are losing subscribers, and our audience, because people look at the newspaper to give them something they can't do themselves. Show them things, tell them stories, not just what someone looks like.

And have we all forgotten about ethics? Very few reporters understand when you can and cannot set up a photo, or manipulate the situation. How can you trust what they bring back? How do you teach all of that in an hour?

All of this disrespect for our profession and skills makes me sick. How quickly we have forgotten how powerful professional photographers photos were from 9/11, Vietnam, and Virginia Tech. Others were there, but we got the photos because we know how to and have the skills. If this trend continues I fear the next big event we won't be there, and then the story won't be told.

Good thing I have weddings to fall back on - those people still understand the value of having a professional take their photos, that you can't trust an amateur when you can't "do over," even when it comes to headshots.
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Mike Brice, Photographer
Toledo | OH | USA | Posted: 11:36 PM on 06.13.07
->> I want to clarify my earlier post. I am not in favor of what management is doing at the Sun. However, I think the byline strike is pointless.

A sick out, leaving them without professional photo coverage for 1 day, 2 days or even 3 days would be something that would really make a statement.
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Chad Ryan, Photographer, Assistant
Fort Wayne | IN | USA | Posted: 12:57 AM on 06.14.07
->> We can complain all we want, but it likely isn't going to change anything. The fact is non-journalists are running smallerr papers right now, and it seems they are now taking hold in the larger outlets. What background do most publishers have these days? The last three at our paper have been accountants. I'm relatively certain that is the case in more places than here in Fort Wayne.

We've been told in no uncertain terms that quality is no longer a concern, and it shows at our paper. I think our product absolutely sucks right now, but it doesn't matter. All reporters have cameras - with no training in composition, exposure, editing, toning or captioning. I have worked twenty-plus hours of overtime a week working everyone's photos on top of my now regular duties as a Sports writer and photographer after my staff photo job vanished a month ago.

In a discussion about our reporters shooting Prep football this fall (with point and shoots) the management rolled out the new idea that all photos are to be placed for sale on a website that also allows parents to contribute images. I raised the concern that our reprint money would be gone because parents are better equipped than our reporters and they usually give away photos. The repsonse was simply that if the parents upload photos to the site, we can publish them in our paper. The battle is lost at our paper. Our managing editor praises reporters who shoot, no matter how terrible their images are. In fact we have a kudos board with a huge display of reporters' out-of-focus, poorly-composed images with big stars on them saying "great job." In case you're wondering, there is no mention of images, stories, multimedia production or image editing for the photographers, such as myself, who are doing everything they can to be more versatile.

The fact is that the only people in the newspaper world who care about image quality are photographers. Canon and Nikon both foster the notion that everyone can shoot pro-quality images with their bottom end digital slr cameras. How about the Canon commercial showing a fan with a digital rebel shown right behind a row of pro photogs with long glass. They show the fan shooting a frame then cut to an image obviously shot by a 400/2.8 or longer lens, giving the impression that the fan shot it. Non-photographers think it is just as easy as that, and those are the people running your newsroom and mine - like it or not.

Sorry for my non-focused rant. I have a lot to say, but it doesn't matter to anyone but me or other photographers. I hope the Sun photogs get the results they want, but I fear it won't make a bit of difference.
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D. Ross Cameron, Photographer
Oakland | CA | USA | Posted: 2:03 AM on 06.14.07
->> Ms. Hughes,

Thank you *so* much for weighing in here with a well-considered, well-written and enlightening post. I wish we had more people like you in the industry.

I keep seeing all these posts saying, "Well, how do we make ourselves more valuable to our employers, current or potential?" You've spelled it out: by not undervaluing what we already do.

Do editors come to us and ask us to write even the most mundane of stories? Hell no! In most cases, they wouldn't trust us to do the "complex" task of writing a news story. Why? Because they think we're a bunch of illiterate morons. (And, based on some of the horrendous spelling, punctuation and grammar I've seen here -- in this thread alone! -- I'd be hard-pressed to argue with them. Where did you people go to school? The Paris Hilton Academy?)

We're professionals, people! We have a unique skill! (Yes, Mr. Mills, UNIQUE -- look it up!) It has value!

How much more plainly can I put it?

A clue, a clue, my Kingdom for you all to get a clue!
DRC
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Kevin Clifford, Student/Intern, Photographer
Reno | NV | United States | Posted: 2:43 AM on 06.14.07
->> I agree that reporters shouldn’t for the main part take photos because it is very demoralizing to continually see and to have to edit the bad shots that will be published. However, I have seen a few reporters in the newsroom improve their photography skills enough to make a decent photo.

But my main question is how this trend is going to impact the photo students that will be graduating in the next year or two…including myself? With the staffers at newspapers getting laid off, how can we hope to get the jobs that we want in the newspaper industry?

I can see a lot of the upcoming graduates becoming full-time freelancers (who also have a stable job somewhere else) that will probably destroy more staffer’s jobs in the future since it would be cheaper to hire a freelancer to do the important assignments and let the reporters take care of the “fluffy” assignments rather than it would be to keep the full-time photog.
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Vincent Johnson, Photo Editor, Photographer
Chicago | IL | USA | Posted: 2:45 AM on 06.14.07
->> I can't believe that nobody thought of this earlier!!!

We are on SportsShooter.com. Talking about how hard it can be to get a quality image from non-photo people. Maybe I'm just stroking our egos here, but I was told long ago that sports photography is one of the hardest things to do, photo wise (war photography excluded).

Why not just let the sports writers do all their own photography.

I'm sure there's not a paper in this country that would pass that off to save a buck!

Here's an even better question. Why the hell aren't the writers at the Sun boycotting their new found duties? Were are the purposefully messed up images? Where's the we're all in this together attitude? Or maybe they see the writing on the wall and know that myspace.news.com is going to take their job, so they better make the most of the next 3 to 5 years and get that pension.

Anyone who picks up a camera for that paper that isn't a photographer is a sell out b!*&h. I would have no problem what so ever stepping into their image, or using the dreaded vertical shot elbow when in a close pack.
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Chris E. Curry, Assistant, Photographer
Norfolk | VA | USA | Posted: 7:24 AM on 06.14.07
->> Jeff,

Your restaurant analogy has a lot of problems in it.

You wrote:

"I've got the servers walking to the back of the house to put in their orders anyways and then they wait for the salad. I'm already paying the server and I'm also paying a kitchen worker to make salads. If I have the servers make the salads instead of just standing around what happens ? A few things

1) The salads come out faster and always have the right dressings etc.

2) I can use a smaller kitchen crew and save about $500 a week on payroll

3) The quality for the customer is unaffected"


First of all, if a server has to now prepare salads, they are taking their attention away from other customers.

Second, why do you figure that the salads will come out faster? And who is going to prep the lettuce, vegetables mix the dressing to begin with? And how can you guarantee that the salads will be prepared as good?

Third, most servers already have to prepare deserts, and now you want to hand them more responsibility. They'll likely receive lower tips, see less return business, all because a manager thought they could cut corners.

And finally, by the time you realize that you have to hire back your kitchen worker, the damage has been done. Patrons start to recognize the demoralization that your servers are experiencing and take their business else where.

Of course this is all speculation. Who knows maybe the servers could handle things without a hitch, but even so, why not let them focus all of their attention to their area of expertise. Give them all the tools they need to do the best job they can.

Care about your product.

I see more businesses invest in the short term rather than take pride in building something that will stand the test of time.
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Andrew Brosig, Photographer
Pittsburg | KS | United States | Posted: 11:48 AM on 06.14.07
->> Jeff:

What about the assignment that turns out to be more than just a mug shot? I can't count the number of times I've been sent out to get a mug, visit with the subject for two minutes and end up shooting an enviromental portrait at the very least that gets the story better play, simply because of the art. I'm not sure you could always trust a writer to recognize the image behind the story and bring it back.

I've worked both side of the fence, including the apparently-dreaded "reporter-photographer" job at smaller weekly papers. The one thing I know for sure is that, when asked to both write and shoot an assignment, both sides of the assignment suffered. I know I missed quotes because I was shooting and missed good images because I was taking notes.

Andrew
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Heather Hughes, Photographer
Newport News | VA | USA | Posted: 2:24 PM on 06.14.07
->> So most of us agree with the Baltimore staff that giving reporters cameras is a bad thing, so now I have a question for all of you seasoned veterans.

You who have been in the biz for a couple decades and saw photographers on newspaper staffs evolve into an educated, trained, skilled, respected and contributing group in newsrooms - how did it happen? How can we stop the downward slide and start fighting our way back up? How can we preserve this job, and the respect some of us had taken for granted until recently, for future generations?

Photographers have a reputation for being complainers, and I am guilty of complaining about this issue for a couple years. Talking with management doesn't work, coming back with great images doesn't work, and I doubt a byline strike will either, so what can we do?

I don't work at a union paper, we're having buyouts (and most likely more layoffs) tomorrow so who knows who will be left standing. For those of us still here, how can we fight the good fight? Stand up for photographers everywhere, demand the respect we deserve? How can we remind our coworkers of the power of the still image, the value of it?

Seriously, I know we've always had a hard time getting respect in newsrooms but it has been done. We have the quality work to back ourselves up but we are not privledged enough for that to be enough. Let's be pro-active!

So please, everyone who values their job and photojournalism as a profession, take a second to think about what can be done. Because I know complaining won't make a difference and neither will waiting for someone else to do something.
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John Strohsacker, Photographer
Baltimore | MD | USA | Posted: 2:42 PM on 06.14.07
->> tentative Guild Agreement Reached at 'The Sun'
http://www.pdnonline.com/pdn/newswire/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=10...
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David Harpe, Photographer
Louisville | KY | USA | Posted: 4:21 PM on 06.14.07
->> "The new deal requires that any staffer forced to work as both a reporter and photographer have proper training"

It will be interesting to see who determines the definition of "proper training". I envision a half-day coffee-and-doughnuts session with a staff photographer.
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N. Scott Trimble, Photographer
Tempe | AZ | USA | Posted: 9:04 PM on 06.14.07
->> For those of you who don't see the big picture in all this. Go out and buy or checkout "Animal Farm." Pay close attention to everytime the Pigs make changes to the three laws of equality for the Animals.



Then you will see....
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John Strohsacker, Photographer
Baltimore | MD | USA | Posted: 11:27 AM on 06.18.07
->> "Photographer Byline Strike At Baltimore Sun Bears Little Fruit"
by Daryl Lang PDNOnline.com
http://www.pdnonline.com/pdn/newswire/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=10...
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