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First photo Shoot...Feedback?
Eric Jones, Photographer
Greenville | NC | USA | Posted: 10:10 PM on 02.24.07
->> I finally bought some starter studio lights to bring more features to my business. I typically shoot mainly outdoor motocross but was looking at doing some things new this year...so I bought some lights. This is my first attempt after a few lessons on how to read lightmeters and position the lights. I know a few will say take off the rings on the fingers but beginner error on my part. They will be gone next time. The bike shots is something I want to add to my website so maybe I'll get some new business since no one is doing this around here. Let me know what you think as I will be shooting more of these types of shots. The black background looks better than the white because the colors really pop.

Also, what would be a good price to charge on having someone come out for an hour or so and shoot something like this. Again, this is my first photo shoot of this kind so I'm not sure on how to price the initial shoot vs. prints.

Thanks for any feedback.
EKJ
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Jeffery Patch, Student/Intern, Photographer
Huntington Beach | CA | USA | Posted: 10:25 PM on 02.24.07
->> I've been getting into portraits as well. I like the girl on the light background, but the boys on black either need a hair light, or open the shutter to brighten the background a bit. Their hair blends into the background a little. If you shot raw you may be able to brighten your shadows a bit to fix that.

Other than that, good job for a first try. Check out www.strobist.com if you haven't already. I've learned a lot there on the "science" of using off-camera lighting.
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Darrin Spencer, Photographer
Corbin | Ky | USA | Posted: 10:49 PM on 02.24.07
->> Eric, I agree with Jeffery, put a hair light behind the bike and show some seperation and I think you might like your shots even more. Although on #5 (the first shot with the black background) I like it the way it is. And has for the girl I like the lighter background with her wearing black looks good. But for the first attempt you are off and running. And remember we learn from our mistakes (trust me I have learned a lot).
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Jonathan Castner, Photographer
Longmont | CO | USA | Posted: 12:01 AM on 02.25.07
->> Yeah you need a separation light in the ones with a black background but for your first shoot, you are rockin.
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Drew Broadley, Photographer
Wellington | NZ | New Zealand | Posted: 1:49 AM on 02.25.07
->> Being a "rough" sport, use a warehouse as a studio, use the structures and steel beems be your backdrop.

That should make the rider shots that much more.
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Eric Jones, Photographer
Greenville | NC | USA | Posted: 6:17 AM on 02.25.07
->> Would I put the hair light down below the bike shooting up at the bike and person or up high hitting on their hair only?

Drew, that would be a cool idea if it was Carmichael or Stewart but we are doing mainly local riders. That would be a pretty big expense for me to rent.

How about the sitting fee???

Thanks
EKJ
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Jeffery Patch, Student/Intern, Photographer
Huntington Beach | CA | USA | Posted: 1:03 PM on 02.25.07
->> Somebody may correct me, but I believe you put it above to get the light on the top-rear of the head and hair.

I don't have a second light, so I try to bounce some back with a silver or white reflector disc. It has worked OK so far unless the model's hair was dark black.
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Edgar Mata, Photographer
New York | NY | United States | Posted: 3:07 PM on 02.25.07
->> Eric,

The first step is always the hardest so good job making a jump in your shooting. Just a tip on the white background for you. If you have the space, get the model further away from the background and light it separately, using two heads and some vee flats. That way, it's not uneven as it is now, with the left side also being lit by your key light. And yep, hair lights do attack from above, usually one stop higher than your key. Experiment and have fun with it.
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Andrew Brosig, Photographer
Pittsburg | KS | United States | Posted: 3:44 PM on 02.25.07
->> Do something to disguise/hide the metal stool in the shots where it's being used to hold up the bike. Have the kid hold the bike. Or, since it looks as if you're using fabric for background, drape the fabric over the stool and reposition the bike. Also, in the first one, watch for the position of hands. The girl's left hand looks like she was the victim of an industrial accident or something since her fingers are missing. Either tighten up or loosen it out a bit. Need to watch cutting off at joints, too. Other than that (geez is that all?) very good effort. I agree on the hair lighting ideas (light high up and modified to hit just around the back of the head to almost give a halo effect) and I really like the idea of using an industrial-style setting for the full bike shots. Keep trying and, as Edgar said, have fun.
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Drew Broadley, Photographer
Wellington | NZ | New Zealand | Posted: 3:57 PM on 02.25.07
->> Fair enough Eric, I was really just trying to offer alternatives to a black background and get the mind wondering onto other possibilities.

I often get mind block and need somoene to just suggest something far out (even if it's something you could only do with the pros) and then work that idea back to what you can afford/achieve.

Great work so far, keep it up :)
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Brandon VandeCaveye, Photographer
. | Ontario | Canada | Posted: 3:59 PM on 02.25.07
->> Eric, I would say go with a kicker light with a spot grid instead of the hair light. It all really depends of the look you are going for, what looks good for one rider might not work for the next. Image #5 is a good example where it could really use the kicker. The kicker light would give the seperation you are looking for and give you a nice contrast to the image. The white background images need to have a more blown out look to the background. Ideally no detail in the background at all. The bike shots will have the colors pop right if you have enough lights to evenly light the background. 2-3 stops are what you should be looking for and have the model be far enough from the backdrop so the light doesnt wrap around them and give you flare.

If you want to email me from my members page, I can send you some images, although they will not be motorcross. Same principles though.

For a first time they look good. I think making them laugh or show more emotion in general would help the overall feel of the images.
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