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Canon Mark III is coming
Will Powers, Photographer
Erie Denver Boulder | CO | USA | Posted: 1:54 PM on 02.01.07
->> Another report on Engadget.com

http://www.engadget.com/2007/02/01/canon-readying-22-megapixel-mini-1ds-mar.../
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Aric Becker, Photographer
Seattle | WA | USA | Posted: 2:06 PM on 02.01.07
->> Not sure how credible this is, but another rumor.

http://theonlinephotographer.blogspot.com/2007/01/latest-from-rumor-mill.ht...
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Rafael Agustin Delgado, Student/Intern, Assistant
Pasadena | Ca | USA | Posted: 2:16 PM on 02.01.07
->> that comment about another possible new lens mount is not so welcoming.

I for one do not care to invest in another line of lenses. EF is already a solid line and pricey enough.

At 22 mega pixels, that for a news wire is crazy but for magazine and corporate work, I can see why such specs are applicable.
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Jeff Kowalsky, Photographer
West Bloomfield | MI | United States | Posted: 2:23 PM on 02.01.07
->> This is a leaked photo of the back of the new Mark III.
http://tech.china.com/zh_cn/digital/dc/1107/20060330/images/13207035_200603...
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Scott Morgan, Photographer
Burlington | IA | United States | Posted: 2:26 PM on 02.01.07
->> I thought John Harrington had a thoughtful take on this story.

http://photobusinessforum.blogspot.com/2007/01/keep-your-trap-shut.html

Here is a link to what seems to be the origin of the rumor. As John points out, this bean spiller was a 5th assistant who's responsibility was probably filling coffee and picking up bits of cinefoil, so he might not be the most trustworthy source.

http://luminous-landscape.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=14440
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Ian L. Sitren, Photographer
Palm Springs | CA | USA | Posted: 2:26 PM on 02.01.07
->> I have it on good authority from a competent inside source at Canon that.....

Sorry I got to get the phone, get right back to you.
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Rafael Agustin Delgado, Student/Intern, Assistant
Pasadena | Ca | USA | Posted: 2:46 PM on 02.01.07
->> I wonder if that pizza preset button will atomically bake a Round Table Thick Crust Italian Garlic Pizza.
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Rick Rowell, Photographer
Canoga Park | CA | Usa | Posted: 2:47 PM on 02.01.07
->> It may be that I'm just old fashioned, but why would Canon make a camera that is half the size of the current 1D series cameras? Then make the lens mount different so you would have to buy all new lenses. That makes no sense to me. Now a 22meg full frame camera that will also shoot smaller files from 8 to 10megs at 8.5 frames per second while keeping the body the same size with the same EF lens mount, now that makes sense. But it doesn't seem likely to me that Canon will trash a complete system that the majority of pros have bought into. If the new camera is going to be that small then it's going to be difficult to handle. Canon is at the top of their game and if they were to change horses now in midstream, I think it would be a big mistake. Let's just wait and see if they show us something new at PMA in March.
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Louis Lopez, Photographer
Fontana | CA | USA | Posted: 3:45 PM on 02.01.07
->> Smaller camera body would be great for those with small hands, they could be focusing more on women photographers, thus the reference to Annie Liebovitz testing it?
What do I care? I shoot for the Dark Side.
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Rick Rowell, Photographer
Canoga Park | CA | Usa | Posted: 4:04 PM on 02.01.07
->> If you've ever seen Annie Liebovitz's hands you wouldn't call them small. But what do I care? I shoot for the Forces of Light.
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Ben Jenkins, Photographer
Geneva | IL | USA | Posted: 4:31 PM on 02.01.07
->> Very well could be a rumor, but makes a lot of sense...

The 22MP jump would make a lot of sense because the bulk of medium format backs are 22MP.

The new body size makes sense because cameras have changed. The original camera 'body' was built to pass a roll of film across, etc. With no need for that, MUCH better/smaller batteries (a la 5D Nikon D2h) there is simply no need to have a camera be that big. Now, I prefer shooting with a 1D/1Ds over my 5D because it's bigger and robust, but I can imagine a 1ds MarkIII being a bit smaller and sleeker while maintaining an metal body. --probably a good thing

The new lenses make a LOT of sense. In fact, I bet the 1ds MarkIII camera itself is almost done, but they've been scrambling for the past year to develop lenses that can resolve for it. The lenses (especially the wides) just don't cut it--not even for a 5D. The main reason commercial shooters use the 22MP backs is because they can use medium format glass. Once Cannon has a 22MP camera with top notch glass they'll take even more of that market.

As for the new mount--not a good sign obviously, but that's the only part of the 'rumor' I think is probably not 100% true.

As a side note, the standard 1D MarkIII (not the S model) will probably become the mainstay for 90% of shooters when it will probably jump to 10MP @ 10fps. The 1dS will then become even more of a commercial/high end camera.
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Andrew Wilz, Photographer
Aspen | CO | usa | Posted: 4:50 PM on 02.01.07
->> OT:

...how many users on this site are actually USING the full resolution your camera offers on a DAILY BASIS?

just curious...

cuz.. 22mp is a whole BOATLOAD of resolution...
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John Lee, Photographer
San Francisco | CA | USA | Posted: 5:07 PM on 02.01.07
->> i use a 5d at full resolution. and i wished i was shooting with a 1ds MkII at 16mp. only reason why i haven't gotten that thing is because i'm waiting for the next generation 1ds. bring them 22mp on!

now, if hassy was to make a full frame square dit back to fit the older v cameras, and charge under $10k for it, that would be my horse.
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David Griffin, Photographer, Photo Editor
Concord | NC | USA | Posted: 5:47 PM on 02.01.07
->> I need all 22mp to bring out all the details of the FUNPIX that I submit.
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David Harpe, Photographer
Louisville | KY | USA | Posted: 6:14 PM on 02.01.07
->> I use 17MP pretty regularly for my studio work because clients want big files. The question is, are my *clients* using the 17MP files I give them?

They also want EVERYTHING at 300dpi. Just 300dpi...no target size...just 300dpi.
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David Templeton, Assistant, Photographer
Hammonton | NJ | USA | Posted: 6:36 PM on 02.01.07
->> Andrew, I use a D2H. So yes I try to milk all the resolution I can out of that baby :)

Regarding the rumors about a new lens mount: my bet wouldn't be a new mount, but a new designation for ultra-high-resolution lenses, like the "L" label is used now. And Canon would urge you to buy their new "50mm f/2X" lens in order to get max detail from the 1DsMkIII

I think Ben's remark is the most accurate thing said in this thread. Once the 1Ds-series goes >20MP and the 1D-series goes >10MP, 90% of shooters will be satisfied with the 1D-series. And the 1Ds-series would become an even more niche product (1Ds MarkIV at 50MP?).
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Walter Calahan, Photographer
Westminster | MD | USA | Posted: 7:26 PM on 02.01.07
->> Oh boy, oh boy, Annie L is using a "secret" Canon camera. More the reason to switch from Nikon.

Twice the mega-pixels with 1/2 the body. All with a new lens mount.

Tastes great. Less filling.

It has to be true because it's on the Internet.
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Ben Jenkins, Photographer
Geneva | IL | USA | Posted: 8:08 PM on 02.01.07
->> Andrew - I do use all the resolution on my 5D and would love to go to 22MP. When I worked at a newspaper I never needed anything more than my D2h really. But for anything outside of newsprint, you've gotta love resolution.

Actually the massive (it seems) jump from 12.8 to 22 doesn't even come close to 'doubling' actual resolution. With CCD/CMOS technology you need to triple the megapixels to double the actual resolution. So that's why going from a D1h to a 5D would blow someone's mind in the resolution difference, but going from a 5D to 22MP camera would be noticeable but not 'amazing'.

David - I agree on the lens thing... I think you'll see a few Canon lenses (probably 16-35 & 24-70 + maybe a 80mm prime) that have a L2 or HD designation. I'm sure they'll still sell the regular L series for some time to come since the new ones would probably be a $500+ premium. Anyhow, just more thoughts.
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N. Scott Trimble, Photographer
Tempe | AZ | USA | Posted: 8:53 PM on 02.01.07
->> I don't know much about the rumor, but I do know in talking with friends who are in r&d and in industrial design for companies that do the REAL designing outside of the selling houses, camera design is on the cusp of big changes.

As posted earlier, cameras were designed to pass film rolls through. In the coming years, expect a more...organic design for cameras, including a liquid lens tech that is being whispered that acts more like an eye, reshaping to focus and throw zoom.

It goes over my head after that, but if the Mark III is real, it might be a tiny step into that direction.
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Ian L. Sitren, Photographer
Palm Springs | CA | USA | Posted: 9:12 PM on 02.01.07
->> Actually if it is true and I have heard the 22mpx rumor for some time, it is what I have been waiting for. I was seriously looking to go to a Leaf back on a Medium Format but this would fit my shooting better. At the moment anyway,
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Steven E. Frischling, Photographer
New England | | USA | Posted: 10:20 PM on 02.01.07
->> I'm holding out for a full frame 6mp body, Ok fine, 8mp and full frame.

I make 40" prints on a regular basis for a client with the original 4mp 1D bodies. Upsizing is not a problem with the right software.

I love my 1Ds, but I find I don't need a file as large as the one created in the 1Ds (and I am a JPEG shooter).
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Ron Scheffler, Photographer
Hamilton (Toronto area) | Ontario | Canada | Posted: 3:53 AM on 02.02.07
->> I'm not sure if anyone (other than those at Canon) have realized this year is the 20th anniversary for the EOS line? Yes, it is. I'm sure there will be significant product announcements tied in with this milestone. Besides, it's already nearly three years since the 1DII and 2.5 since the 1DsII were released.... it's due.
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Chris Lynch, Photographer
Shaw AFB | SC | United States | Posted: 6:48 AM on 02.02.07
->> Ron, it's also Canon's 70th Birthday. They announced EOS on their 50th.... i'm really anxious to see if they do anything bold at PMA- or any time this year.

I do believe it makes sense for a "half"-sized 1DS, basically a 5D with upgraded build and sensor. In the studio, there's no need for all that camera (full-size 1D). And i VERY much agree with Steven that a 6 or 8mpx Full Frame would be amazing.
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Alan Look, Photographer
Bloomington | IL | United States | Posted: 8:48 AM on 02.02.07
->> I'm with Fish, there is so much more they could do with a camera other then adding megapixels. Six to Eight megapixels will suffice for everything I would ever need. If I needed more, I'd be looking at a medium format.
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Max Whittaker, Photographer
Sacramento | CA | USA | Posted: 1:29 PM on 02.03.07
->> Probably 60-75% of my work is for magazines, and frankly I wouldn't want a 22mp camera. I shoot RAW with a 1dmk2 and a 5d. I've had numerous doubletrucks published with the 1dmk2 files (cropped even) and I couldn't detect any loss in quality, and they were indistingushable from the larger 5d files.

Grappling with the large 5d RAW files is a pain-in-the-ass. I'm going through external drives at a phenomenal rate. Why would I want to go to a 22mp camera and make it even worse?

Features is where the camera manufacturers need to step up their game. The megapixel race is over... Give me a full-frame, super-quiet, low-light focussing rangefinder instead. Preferably one that costs less than $3k...
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Chuong Doan, Photographer
Kansas City | MO | USA | Posted: 3:39 PM on 02.03.07
->> I would like to see an full-frame 8x8x8mp 16bit Foveon type sensor. Increase the quality of the pixels instead of pixel count. Then you'd end up with say an 8mp size file with the resolution of a much larger Bayer file.
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Ben Jenkins, Photographer
Geneva | IL | USA | Posted: 5:42 PM on 02.03.07
->> Chuong,
Your comment about the Foveon sensor is something I wanted to touch on earlier in this thread but didn't want to complicate the rumors more... However, I totally agree with you...

The Foveon system makes a lot more sense. Foveon has shown great results, but is hindered by some noise issues, etc. But if Canon were to buy rights to the technology (which they may have already done) and pump some of their R&D money into it, I'm sure they could correct the small issues that still exist. Dropping the current bayer pattern CMOS system for the Foveon would produce a much crisper/more accurate image file. The low pass filter, which is in place to remove moire patterning created by Bayer type sensors would no longer be needed thereby increasing image resolution and sharpness. Also, to produce a file with the same resolution as a 22MP bayer camera you'd need roughly a 8-10MP (three layer) sensor.

If they can prefect the technology, I think it's truly the holy grail in sensor design and would love to see it in the new Canons. The megapixel race is nearing an end and with the added resolution and quality of Foveon, Canon would leap all but out of reach from the competition. This is all assuming that they can also match or increase dynamic range/color accuracy over current Bayer sensors.

www.foveon.com
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Paul W Gillespie, Photographer
Annapolis | MD | USA | Posted: 5:52 PM on 02.03.07
->> I agree that more mega pixels is not what is needed at this time. I want to be able to walk into some of the dungeons I am assigned to shoot in and shoot at ISO 3200 and have it look like ISO 100. The time has come to perfect the chips sizes they have. Less noise and sharper high ISO is the key for me.

Paul
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Richard Heathcote, Photographer
High Wycombe | Bucks | UK | Posted: 3:43 PM on 02.06.07
->> New body and new long glass coming soon, announcement due on 24th feb, dealers in the UK have been told they will be told on the 23rd....

The new long lenses are rumored to have more/new contacts/connections which make them significantly quicker and they will also be lighter... the return of the 200mm is on the cards as well but maybe as a 200/2 not 200/1.8...
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