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Get Off the Court!
Jed Jacobsohn, Photographer
San Francisco | CA | USA | Posted: 3:24 PM on 03.24.06
->> It’s the end of the game, there’s gonna be good jubo, you know it…you were told not to go on the court or on the field from the officials…what do you do? What if some one else runs out? What do you do? You know your editor is gonna be watching the game. You want to get the best pictures. But at what cost?

We can’t beat TV. They have too much power and money. They're gonna block us. But we can beat ourselves. I’ve noticed an increasing number of photographer’s breaking the rules and screwing their colleagues at big events, specifically the World Baseball Classic and NCAA basketball. Whether it’s fair or not to restrict photographers on the court or field is not the issue, but whether or not there is any thought behind the actions of the photographers who choose to break the rules any get in the way of those who choose not to. In my opinion, this will only restrict our movements even more and increase security around US, which is already really bad, by pissing off the people in charge. Stay off the court if they tell us to “stay off the court.” If everyone stays back and let the athletes (and TV) do their thing, there would be better pictures for everyone.
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Mark Bolton, Photographer
Dover | NH | USA | Posted: 7:36 PM on 03.24.06
->> Jed,
Couldn't agree more! There are some great immediate reaction photos to be had, but w/ other photogs breaking the rules they have screwed others from a great shot, but also as you said "pissing off the people in charge" which is worse for us in the long run.
Mark
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Thomas Boyd, Photographer
Eugene | OR | USA | Posted: 8:23 PM on 03.24.06
->> I noticed an interesting thing on AP wire report from the Gonzaga/UCLA game. There were the usual submissions from the AP shooters (Jeff Chiu and Marcio Jose Sanchez), then one of Adam Morrison on the floor shot wide from a few feet a way. I could see a bunch of still shooters still on the floor in the background shooting long glass. This wide-angle submission was from Brian Plonka of the Spokesman-Review.

Did he have special permission to be on the floor? Or, did he move a photo because someone told him too, or what? It's very unusual to see a member move photos when AP staffers are in the house. What's the deal? Plus, everything under the sun was outted except newspapers.

Anyone?
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David Brooks, Photographer
San Diego | CA | USA | Posted: 8:47 PM on 03.24.06
->> This was visited in articles by Bob Leverone..., very insightful reading for any time. Still photographers unite! (...until the buzzer sounds...)

TV in the way for Jube
http://www.sportsshooter.com/news/1399
Staying off the Court!?
http://www.sportsshooter.com/news/1398
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Robert Hanashiro, Photographer
Los Angeles | CA | | Posted: 10:15 PM on 03.24.06
->> http://www.ocregister.com/ocregister/sports/abox/slideshow_1069277.php?pos=...
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Jose Carlos Fajardo, Photographer
Walnut Creek | CA | U.S.A. | Posted: 10:19 PM on 03.24.06
->> http://www.spokesmanreview.com/zags/photo.asp?showid=62&photo=14
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Robert Hanashiro, Photographer
Los Angeles | CA | | Posted: 10:50 PM on 03.24.06
->> Tilted?
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Jeff Stanton, Photographer
Tucson | Az | USA | Posted: 11:13 PM on 03.24.06
->> Ya know, anymore these days, I'm inclined to get the best action images I can possibly shoot. If any good reaction or jubo comes my way, then I can get that as well. I'm too old to scuffle with yellow shirts and other photographers trying to get the same photo, then have the school tell my boss what a pushy SOB I am for muscling my way in.
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Stephen Mally, Photographer
Marion | IA | USA | Posted: 11:30 PM on 03.24.06
->> Very good post. Another thing is when people start violating the rules I've found that they just go and make the rules more strict and restrictive.
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Robert Hanashiro, Photographer
Los Angeles | CA | | Posted: 11:33 PM on 03.24.06
->> http://www.sportsshooter.com/news/482
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D. Ross Cameron, Photographer
Oakland | CA | USA | Posted: 11:40 PM on 03.24.06
->> Jed, Paul Sakuma just called. He says you must not have been doing this job very long. ;-)

I'm on your side, buddy.

DRC
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Jeff Stanton, Photographer
Tucson | Az | USA | Posted: 11:48 PM on 03.24.06
->> Yeah, I recognized Paul Sakuma in that photo in Bert's link. He was here in Tucson last year for the men's first and second round NCAA tourney. The yellow shirts had him under control from what I could tell.
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Rod Mar, Photographer
Seattle | WA | USA | Posted: 12:00 AM on 03.25.06
->> I was in Oakland.

As usual, no still shooters had permission to be on the court.

ONE photographer made the decision to rush the court on his own, blocking the view for at least a dozen shooters behind him at the key postgame moment.

He knelt right in the line of sight for everyone else on the baseline he'd just bolted from.

This created a free-for-all where everyone else who wanted a shot had to go onto the court as well, just to salvage a frame from the situation. When this happened, security went crazy on the other side of the court, trying to keep those shooters from the floor, and inhibiting their ability to shoot as well.

It's for that very reason that still shooters aren't allowed on the court -- to give everyone an equal opportunity (save TV) to get "the shot".

Everyone agreed that had this photographer NOT rushed the court, we all would have had been able to capture Adam Morrison crying on the floor.

Lastly, other national shooters I spoke with after the game fear that the NCAA, after seeing the post game chaos, will put further restrictions on what we're allowed to do at the end of games.

I'm sure the photographer in question made a great picture.

But what he did was selfish and showed no respect for his fellow shooters.

Rod
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Jeff Stanton, Photographer
Tucson | Az | USA | Posted: 12:06 AM on 03.25.06
->> Rod ... It's too bad several photographers whose view was blocked at that game couldn't get together and lay the facts on that photographer. Then, he might get the message.
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Aric Becker, Photographer
Olympia | WA | USA | Posted: 12:23 AM on 03.25.06
->> Rod, or anyone for that matter.

When a fellow photographer breaks a rule like this and ruins it for the rest of us. Does anyone say anything to him in the workroom afterwards? I have not been in this situation and would think that if I was the one to run on the court and ruin my fellow photographers view and break the rule to go on the court which will make it tougher to do our jobs in the long run. I would hate to feel the tension in the workroom and the cold stares.
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Francis Specker, Photographer
Riverside | CA | USA | Posted: 1:16 AM on 03.25.06
->> This will continue to happen unless there is consequences for that person's actions. If the NCAA stated beforehand to all photographers when they got their credentials that if they ran on to the court after the game they would be banned from any future NCAA tournament games, maybe they would think twice.
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Jake Schoellkopf, Photographer
Albuquerque | NM | USA | Posted: 1:37 AM on 03.25.06
->> After going to the above two links and seeing the photo of the Gonzaga player and the photo of the photographer shooting the photo of the same Gonzaga player you really get an idea of how he screwed things up for other photogs that night and photogs covering future NCAA tournaments. Is it a good photo? Yeah, it tells the story, but I have seen a lot like it before. Appears that he could have gotten just as good a shot if he had stayed put. Ultimately, this photo will be all but forgotten in a few days. The damage his antics have done will be there for some time. There is a time and a place that a photog has to say "damn the torpedos, full speed ahead" and go out there and make that gotta-have-it-at-all-costs photo. To me, this was not the time. Only time will tell what the NCAA does after this goat screw.
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Jack Gruber, Photographer
San Francisco | CA | USA | Posted: 1:53 PM on 03.25.06
->> Aric....

Answer to your question, yes. The photographer in question was taken to task for his actions by numerous photographers in the workroom area.
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Peter Taylor, Photographer, Photo Editor
NYC, Washington | DC | | Posted: 6:07 PM on 03.25.06
->> Don't be afraid to take him to task here and name his name. I personally don't recognize him, but i can make a guess after seeing the picture from the newspaper link. Back when I was shooting sports full time, I have seen photogs grabbed by others to be held back and I have knocked them over my self when they forced us all to rush a court or a sideline. i have pulled on a cable of a tv guy just to let them know they have moved in front of us, mnay times the person involved was not thinking, other times that is exactly what they were doing, thinking about how to get the shot that noone else has since they ruined it for everyone else. Name names. let them live with the scorn of their fellow shooters. Let other shooters who they are and what they do so the next time your at a game and look over and see 'joe jack ass shooter' you have an idea of what he will do and you might give him a warning. maybe an elbow or a sharp tounge.
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Seh Suan Ngoh, Photographer
Singapore | SG | Singapore | Posted: 6:40 PM on 03.25.06
->> I do not really know the US side of things, but it seems odd that the offending photographer was seemingly quite lauded in his works from a search on SS.com.
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Chip Litherland, Photographer
Sarasota | FL | USA | Posted: 7:00 PM on 03.25.06
->> Man, I was REALLY trying to hold back until a couple of these nasty posts came up, but Brian Plonka and his wife are two of the most important photojournalists in the newspaper world in recent years. They are constantly giving back to this industry, and making award-winning work in their community that many (including myself) hold high as inspiration in our own careers. I've never met him, but...

Before you all start dragging his name through the mud anymore on a public forum, why not just email him and let him know your displeasure? This thread will be archived forever and open for anyone that searches his name on Google, so it would be really cool if everyone could just take a collective breath and show him the same respect you expect in return on the court.

He's not a member of the site, and he can't stick up for himself here, so can we drop the rakes and torches and let it go?

I'm not condoning the move (although he did nail the shot AND share it), but please just have some professional courtesy in this matter. This thread is making me physically ill.

Chip
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Julian Jenkins, Photographer
Meridian | ID | USA | Posted: 7:55 PM on 03.25.06
->> Jack-

I understand that fellow PJs let him have it. Did he get it or shrug it off?


Seems to me there should be some sorrow after the fact by him.


Julian
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Dave Amorde, Photographer
Lake Forest | CA | USA | Posted: 8:04 PM on 03.25.06
->> I don't have a dog in this hunt, but I feel a certain sense of irony that this discussion happens on a day when Dave Prelosky gets a great dejection shot on the our Front Page. I doubt he had to fight anyone of from TV to get it, either. Perhaps shooting high school isn't so bad after all...
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Jeff Stanton, Photographer
Tucson | Az | USA | Posted: 8:51 PM on 03.25.06
->> Chip ... He nailed the shot at the expense of several people who obeyed the rules and instead got great shots of his ass! Sorry, I can't go along with you on this one.
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Chip Litherland, Photographer
Sarasota | FL | USA | Posted: 9:50 PM on 03.25.06
->> Jeff,

I completely understand, man...just re-read what I wrote above - especially the five words before what you quoted me on out of context.

I know it sucks for all those shooters, but is this thread worth running a respected photographer's name through the mud in a public forum when he can't stand up for himself to all of this? Could have been an honest mistake...

That's my point.

Chip
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Caleb Raynor, Photographer
Athens | GA | | Posted: 10:11 PM on 03.25.06
->> I am going to agree with Chip. There could be a number of reasons why he did what he did. I know he is not a full time sports shooter, and like Chip said, it could be an honest mistake. He has earned the benefit of the doubt, so let's give it to him. - Caleb
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Jeff Stanton, Photographer
Tucson | Az | USA | Posted: 10:17 PM on 03.25.06
->> And of course, we can respectfully disagree.

I personally don't care if he is able to defend himself. Unlike the thread last week when we were told about a photographer who was shooting crotch shots at a women's game, we were unable to see any evidence at all regarding his actions. We had the word of one of our members who shared with us a conversation he had with a policeman regarding the incident.

In this case, we have photographic evidence of someone who blatantly disregarded the rules while interferring with the news gathering process with, I'm guessing at least a dozen other shooters.

You know, we have a ratings system on our threads here on SS that I've never liked, but it was implemented as a way to police members' conduct. Of course, I do realize you can defend yourself here if you receive an "inappropripate" mark.

Well, in this case, there is no denying on his part what occurred. Fortunately, these are just rules, not laws and nobody is going to be hauled off to jail. We all make mistakes, God knows I've made more than my share.

NCAA officials have carefully warned every photographer that they are to remain in the boxed areas along the baseline. I have the rules which were given to me last week during the women's first and second rounds here. It clearly spells it out. If the gentleman is your friend, I would certainly share this thread with him.

It just brings back the sick feeling in the pit of my stomach of all the times over the last 25 years that other shooters ducked in front of me while I was following the rules, including some of the TV people (not all of them) who seem to have few, if any ethics.
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Jeff Stanton, Photographer
Tucson | Az | USA | Posted: 11:27 PM on 03.25.06
->> Just FYI for those participating in this thread. There are no hard feelings from me in this discussion. Chip and several others here bring up some very good and reasonable thoughts about this matter.

I believe what every person should ask themselves is; Did I learn anything from this and will it make me a better professional? For me, yes it has.
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Melissa Lyttle, Photographer
Tampa | FL | USA | Posted: 12:00 AM on 03.26.06
->> So I looked at the link Jose Carlos Farjado posted earlier:

http://www.spokesmanreview.com/zags/photo.asp?showid=62&photo=14

Going back in the S-R slideshow, Plonka was obviously on the court for a little while, given that the aperture looks like it's changed, and the people in the background are in different places than they were in the other frame:

http://www.spokesmanreview.com/zags/photo.asp?showid=62&photo=11

And then looking at Bert's link:

http://www.ocregister.com/ocregister/sports/abox/slideshow_1069277.php?pos=...

He's directly in front of two big TV guys who would have been blocking your view anyway, if you stayed on the baseline. Sure he's in the background of the too tight Orange County Register shot, but so are the TV guys, and that's only if you can see around the security guys who look like they're blocking most of the shooters on the other end anyway.

[devil's advocate]

All you folks who are so angry on here, I'm curious who your angry at? The TV guys, the security guys, the dish gnomes, the wire gathers, the officials, Brian Plonka, or yourself for getting beat?!

[/devil's advocate]
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Jeff Stanton, Photographer
Tucson | Az | USA | Posted: 1:14 AM on 03.26.06
->> Melissa ... That's not much of a devil's advocate.

For example, when i was shooting here last weekend in my own backyard, had I ventured onto the floor when I was specifically directed not to, as was every other shooter, I most likely would have found myself without my credentials.

What would I have told my sports editor then? Gee, I could cover the next game because I got myself thrown out? And it could have also affected my ability to obtain credentials to other events next season, not to mention an email or phone call to my supervisor for my behavior. It's called thinking before acting.

Remember, people in this country are famous for knee-jerk reactions and the actions of one person typically affects a lot of people.

Here's a real devil's advocate for you: What would you think if the NCAA decided only two pool photographers (one at each end of the floor) covered the games for all of us? And really, it's a very realistic possibility. I mean, why should the NCAA care? When ESPN and CBS are forking over billions to have the broadcast rights, they sure as hell don't need a few still photographers who are unable to follow a few simple rules.
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Brian Davies, Photographer
Eugene | OR | USA | Posted: 2:47 AM on 03.26.06
->> Sigh....

Brian Plonka has been the inspiration for countless newspaper photographers over the past 10 years or so, including myself. I have met him and been a long time fan of his work. He is as creative and thoughtful and sensitive and dedicated as they come in this business and I have little doubt that his first and foremost concern at the end of the Gonzaga-UCLA game was simply serving his readers at the Spokesman-Review.

That being said, I will leave it to others to decide whether it was the proper thing to do or the courteous thing to do. What is the "right" thing to do when NCAA rules prohibit leaving your little box on the baseline to practice journalism? Who hasn't had their own internal dialogue about whether we can really give our readers a fair representation of an event that we are being forced to cover on our butts? It is not hard to imagine the senario that would make a photographer like Brian risk the rules for that particular picture.

Adam Morrison's dejected flop at the end of the game was very likely the last moment of his career in Spokane --a town rabidly in love with it's rags-to-riches Gonzaga basketball program. A place where homespun heroes like Morrison are beloved and treasured by readers of the Spokesman-Review, who have long come to expect the type of intimate photojournalistic coverage that photographers like Plonka provide and that other photographers, like me, struggle to emulate.

Plonka made an iconic image for his readers that will close Morrison's career at Gonzaga. He made the photo for the people who have long loved Morrison, win or lose. For the people who packed high school gyms on the snowy Palouse to see him rewrite the prep basketball record books. For the people who have a vested interest in Adam Morrison and Gonzaga beyond his unwitting contribution to yet another, soon-to-be-forgotten, March Madness drama-du jour.

And no doubt, it is all the people in Spokane who are longtime, joyous shareholders in Morrison's meteoric rise to whom journalists like Plonka feel the greatest responsibility.

On this night, he was just willing to pay a very steep price for it.

--Davies
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Jack Gruber, Photographer
San Francisco | CA | USA | Posted: 2:47 AM on 03.26.06
->> Personally, I don't want to get into this very deep but what ever I say, I will end up sticking my foot in my mouth or something just as stupid. There are a lot of things that suck about shooting the NCAA's, World Series, NFL football and on and on. The control factor is crazy. The latitude for movement is small but that is what it is. Rules suck and we all have been involved in a break here or there. At an NCAA event like this, however, the rule is there and if you break it, you are going to be hung out to dry if you are a Brian Plonka who is one of the best in our business or a nobody like Jack Gruber.

Were there repercussions from this from the NCAA Oakland Regional folks for anyone? Yes. Tonight at the final game in Oakland, we were told security would not block photographers like the previous game but we were told that if anyone ran on to the court, there would be no warning, just arrest from Oakland police. Pretty harsh and definitely not normal but this was a direct result from the court rushing that caused the free for all on Thursday and it had an affect on how everyone was able to cover the final game in Oakland.

The facts are that TV is allowed on the floor immediately. No questions asked. They own the event. That is just the way it is. Will they be in images? Yes and it sucks. But the fact that a still photographer is out at center court only makes matters worse for all those who are just playing by the rules set forth to make it possible for all to do their jobs covering a basketball game. You may clutter up a photo by being out there but more importantly, forty other photographers aren't making that photo because they bite their tongues and follow the rules. If you go out there, you are going to pay some price for it. The tongue lashing from other photographers is a small price to pay in comparison to possibly having credentials pulled from that event and possible future NCAA tournament games.

I am not going to try to reason or explain why the photographer did what he did or explain his story. But I will go out on a limb here for some clarification. This is my opinion of what I saw. If you want to trash me for posting, fine with me but all this speculation does no one any good.

The photographer was pretty shaken up and very upset after the game. With all the frustration expressed from others (including myself….we sat next to each other in the photo room), the gravity of the situation was definitely not lost on him. It was awkward and very difficult for everyone there but mostly for Brian who looked devastated.

In the first few minutes after the game in the photo room, the AP asked for the photo to be moved on the wire adding to the frustration of many who did not venture on to the court while watching this image unfold.

In the end, I think things calmed down and people smoothed things over. All of this bickering and talk about this one incident may seem trivial to many here but there was some severe damage done.

This issue is especially sensitive to many when others including their editors see it as getting "beat". For many who have to shoot this event the next day, the next week and next year, the option of losing a credential is not something taken lightly.

What was I angry about personally? Sure the court running was a huge issue. It is not the first time and not the last. Not only at that moment but on down the road at the the finals tonight.

I had much bigger issues with the Oakland Regional tournament officials and the Oakland Stadium security who screwed the pooch completely on Thursday as well as tonight at the final. They were totally in over their heads and dropped the ball massively. But this is Oakland Stadium security and anyone who covers the Oakland Raiders can fill entire threads with absurd security stuff from these guys. The post game was a mess and handled poorly. Oakland Stadium management and University of San Francisco were the little NCAA regional that thought they could. In the end, they couldn’t and after a pretty embarrassing managing of another post game situation tonight by Oakland Stadium security folks following the finals conclusion where there was an effort put forth, they still couldn’t get it right. I am just glad it is all over and out of Oakland.

I don’t think anyone who was at the game is trashing Brian personally. If anything, it is bringing this issue to light for what good it will do later on if any.

Ok, I don't know what else to say. What is done is done and I don’t think there is any bad blood at all. This kind of thing happens and it is just good to be aware of it.
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Mark J. Terrill, Photographer
Simi Valley | CA | USA | Posted: 2:50 AM on 03.26.06
->> I can't say that I would classify this as an honest mistake and ignorance of the rules is no defense. As I recall, the rules in the credential package that we were given in San Diego clearly stated that photographers are not allowed on the court at the end of the game. I have to assume that he was given the same thing in Oakland. I had two photographers block me in San Diego as well. This is a small community and we have a long memory for this kind of thing.
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Mark Loundy, Photo Editor
San Jose | CA | USA | Posted: 2:56 AM on 03.26.06
->> Jack,

I agree that those events can be difficult to work. So why do so many people want to shoot them?

The emotion at a high school game is just as genuine.

--Mark
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Jack Gruber, Photographer
San Francisco | CA | USA | Posted: 2:59 AM on 03.26.06
->> Hey Mark....

You know what is really weird and blows me away. I poured over the media booklet handed out in Oakland and no where in the Print Photo Guidelines Appendix 4 does it say No Photographer can go out on the court at any time. It gives the places to work from before, between and after sessions and finals but no where in big letters does it say, No one goes out on the court but if you read all the places you can go, you correctly assume you can't go out on the court.

Very strange.

Gruber
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Jack Gruber, Photographer
San Francisco | CA | USA | Posted: 3:09 AM on 03.26.06
->> Mark L...

You are right. I always joke it is much easier working in Iraq than most organized events anywhere in the United States.

If you look at the forty or fifty photographers in Oakland for that regional, most are there because it is the news they are assigned to cover. It is there job to cover it to the best of their ability. Just the guys in Oakland like Mike Blake, Paul Sakuma, Jed Jacobsohn and the list goes on and on cover these events every day and do it on an entire different planet from most of us. They thrive on these siutations and make pictures that are astounding even with all the restrictions. Emotion at a high school game is just as genuine but that high school game won't be on the front of the New York Times or countless other newspapers.
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Rod Mar, Photographer
Seattle | WA | USA | Posted: 3:23 AM on 03.26.06
->> Wow.

Spend the day off with your kids and look what you come back to.

To answer the earlier questions asked directly of me -- yes, the photographer was made aware, quite vocally of his transgressions.

Initially, he defended his actions, then later apologized for them.

The photographer in question is a tremendous photojournalist, by all accounts a good guy, and someone who gives back to our profession.

I said what he DID was selfish. Not that HE was a selfish person.

The issue in all of this, as Jack so adroitly points out, is that court-running is an on-going issue in sports photography. Restrictions on still photographers are tightening with every event, as the networks pay billions for broadcast rights.

I am not going to apologize for commenting on a topic that's germane to our professions, as well as this website. The message boards are here for members to "share ideas about issues of importance within our community".

The next line in the message board requirements is to "play nice".

NO ONE who was at the event mentioned the shooter by name, nor affiliation. That was not the point. It would not have been nice, nor fair. Moreover, it would have not been very professional.

One poster uses the shooter's name in a perfectly honest question about the AP photo report for that night.

Curiously, the only other people who mention this shooter by name are by those posting "in his defense", and who worry about a Google search.

It would have been easy for anyone at the event who was directly affected by this shooter's actions to name him.

No one did.

Ironically, the only things from this incident that are reflecting on this shooter, good or bad (depending on your point of view), are the photos above his name.
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Jack Gruber, Photographer
San Francisco | CA | USA | Posted: 3:37 AM on 03.26.06
->> Rod...

adroitly?? Man, you are spending way too much time preparing those kids for the national spelling bee.

gruber
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Andrew Loehman, Assistant, Photographer
Austin | TX | USA | Posted: 3:51 AM on 03.26.06
->> Later in the evening the photographer made it down to the hospitality room at the media hotel to seek out and apologize to any photographers who he had not already apologized to.

He is aware he screwed up, and was genuinely remorseful. He also knows this will haunt him for a long time to come.

I agree with Rod, and appreciate Jed's post. They both had their shots ruined, and both chose to use this incident to focus on the lessons to be learned, and not simply dragging someone's name through the mud.
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Logan Mock-Bunting, Photographer
Wrightsville Beach | NC | United States | Posted: 9:34 AM on 03.26.06
->> You can be a kind and giving person, make a mistake / bad judgment, and still be a very kind, giving person afterwards.

More-so, if one truly is a kind and giving person, they would want others to learn from their mistake, and hopefully improve the climate for everyone afterwards.

This was not a bad subject to bring up, and as long as it is kept non-personal, not a bad one to continue, as long as new, and old, photographers can learn from it.
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Bob Markey, Photographer
Royal Palm Beach | FL | US | Posted: 12:31 PM on 03.26.06
->> I was happy to read that he acknowledged his error and apologized.

Inspirational, great, friendly, whatever ... The man is human and he made a mistake. His qualities and abilities should have nothing to do with that. Would it have been more wrong if the court run had been made by a guy from a local weekly with no reputation?

He was held accountable by his peers, but also should have been punished by the NCAA.
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Jeff Stanton, Photographer
Tucson | Az | USA | Posted: 12:56 PM on 03.26.06
->> I've read and heard a lot about the yellow shirted situation in the Oakland and San Francisco areas. It sure sounds like from what Jack says, they were in over their heads. Threatening photographers with arrest, I believe we all would agree, is way overboard in this situation.

But as we all can see now, the actions of one clearly affected the masses, in this case, 40 other photographers.

Now, I'm not defending the site hosts or security personnel on this -- but -- every photographer was told this, by Jack's account, and clearly understood what the word 'arrest' would mean. It's very sad the hosts had to use these types of measures to insure control of a situation like this.

Of course, none of us will ever know how much the TV people had to do with this. You know how you are when you're the customer. When you're paying money for a product, you expect things to go your way. Having a bunch of photographers on the floor blocking your TV cameras no doubt raised the ire of of those paying the freight.

As far as the photographer getting the image for his Spokane readers, I think in most cases nobody can blame him for that. It's his job. Every year, there is somebody on the floor bawling his eyes out. Last year, ironically it was Gonzaga's Ronny Turiaf crying here in Tucson. He was really upset and I felt sort of bad for him.

Thirty minutes after I saw him crying, he was walking down the one of the entrance ramps inside Mckale Center drinking a big Dairy Queen milkshake like he didn't have a care in the world. So much for the tears. Now he's playing for the Lakers. And of course, Adam Morrison will soon be paid more than all of the SS membership combined for tossing a ball up into a hole and those tears will be ever, so far away.
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Michael Fischer, Photographer
Spencer | Ia | USA | Posted: 1:05 PM on 03.26.06
->> The other issue that really needs to be highlighted is this: The NCAA is responsible for making the rules - they need to enforce them - intelligently.

If your child breaks a rule - do you punish all of your kids? Of course not. The NCAA takes the wrong approach - they will come up with more rules that "punish" all of us.

Of course, this becomes totally absurb and self perpetuating after a while - more rules - that may or may not get enforced - followed by more rules.

A photographer made a mistake and broke the rules - that's a issue. But the bigger issue is the NCAA's inability to make common sense rules and then enforce them. IF they were smart, they'd sit down with a cross section of photographers and work on what they need - and what working photographers need. I can only dream that it will actually happen.
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Robert Hanashiro, Photographer
Los Angeles | CA | | Posted: 2:09 PM on 03.26.06
->> From today's Los Angeles Daily News:
"Technically, they're getting in the way of a good story
Please, just stay out of our way"

http://www.dailynews.com/kevinmodesti/ci_3639890
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Bruce Ely, Photographer
Portland | OR | USA | Posted: 2:57 PM on 03.26.06
->> Jeff- You've made your point. thanks.

Bruce
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William Maner, Photographer
Biloxi | MS | USA | Posted: 3:05 PM on 03.26.06
->> The main thing is that the guy got the photo of the day.. The shelf life for the photo isn't going to be very long, but he got something no one else got.. I somehow think the saying "The ends justify the means" applies here.. Do whatever you can to get THE shot...we'll deal with the consequences later..

As a sort of convoluted comparison, think back to the very famous photo of Jack Ruby shooting accused JFK assassin Lee Harvey Oswald.. Suppose the photographer broke some rules or orders in getting the picture and was forever barred from the police/jail facilities in Dallas.. I would think the aftermath isn't a big deal because the image he capture is so famous...that's all that really matters in some folks' mind..
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Zach Long, Student/Intern, Assistant
edmond | ok | USA | Posted: 3:24 PM on 03.26.06
->> even if those consequences cost the rest of the professionals in our field for years down the road?
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Marcio J. Sanchez, Photographer
San Francisco | CA | USA | Posted: 4:03 PM on 03.26.06
->> I happened to be covering that game as well and was lucky enough to be an overhead position and get a clean view of the image in question.

Now to the repercusions of this photographer's decision to rush the court:

On Saturday, NCAA officials and ushers were horrible hostile to us. I had an usher yank my credential because I stepped on the "imaginary line" they had created for us to stand behind.

I had to beg to get my credential back in the midst of the post game jubilation.

Even though the wide angle image made by the photographer who rushed the court, ran on the AP wire, the legitimate images made by photographers from AP, Reuters and Getty still ruled the day getting most of the web play and newspaper play.

So just because you think you will have an edge by blocking every photographer following the rules, does not mean you will make the game defining image. Talented photographers, who work with others in mind, still find a way.

One to learn from, definitely.
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Mark Bolton, Photographer
Dover | NH | USA | Posted: 4:37 PM on 03.26.06
->> William,
Brian got something no one else got because he broke the NCAA rule, charged the court, and in the mean time BLOCKED other photogs who stayed on the sideline because they were required to! Brian saw a great shot unfolding, but so did the other 40 photogs as well!
Some photogs may feel "hey he got the shot and that's all that matters". Well, as Zach and others have said, this could affect the way NCAA handles the working press at these events in the future. You may not care because you were not there, but for the ones that were there and were blocked, they do care. They are the ones who will be covering these events now and down the road and will feel the repercussions of one photog's action.
The problem I'm having in all of this is that by all accounts Brian is a respected, seasoned, award winning photog, and he CHOSE to rush the court and certainly must have known that w/ that he would be blocking his fellow photogs as well who played by the rules.
I simply can't buy it was a honest mistake. Brian is not a green photog stepping out into the NCAA court for the first time. He may have a great shot, but the rath and cold stares from your peers, I think, would be heartbreaking. I too am glad to hear Brian tried make amends w/ his peers in the end.
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Robert Hanashiro, Photographer
Los Angeles | CA | | Posted: 5:55 PM on 03.26.06
->> Thanks Mario for pointing out that there are always repercussions for breaking the established protocol at events like an NCAA Tournament game.

This is a VERY small business ... and as several people pointed out to me in the past few days of this topic: Photographers and organizations will not forget the incident.
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