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Derrick Tuskan, Student/Intern, Photographer
San Diego | Ca | USA | Posted: 8:49 PM on 03.22.06
->> Hello all,
I am the photo editor at the Daily Aztec at SDSU, I am trying to convince my EIC's to buy new gear, I have read the past threads on what other colleges have but they are all old, so I was curious as to what other school newspapers have currently for digital gear. We are an independent paper who solely rely on our Ads dept to bring in the cash but the student union looks over us and takes care of our payroll/human resources. I have a staff of 14, 10 of which are volunteer/unpaid positions. Most of my photogs have there own gear and opt to use it instead of our not so good gear. We run 4 times a week with a print run of 12000.
Our pool gear consists of:
1 20d (about 1 yr old)
2 10ds (going on 3 yrs old now)
1 Rebel (about 1 1/2 yrs old)
1 300 2.8 IS
2 300 2.8 MF (1 Canon and 1 Nikon, both are 10+ yrs old)
1 70-200 2.8 non IS (3yrs old)
1 28-70 2.8 (3 yrs old)
2 28-200 3.5-5.6 (3 yrs old)
8 whitelighting strobes, 4 of which remain in our basketball arena at all times
A slew of pocketwizards for the whitelightnings
1 magic arm
oh yea and a couple $100 point and shoots, which was the papers idea of going digital 3 1/2 yrs ago for the photo dept.
We also have a little more then a quarter of a million sitting in the bank for a "rainy day" as my EIC put it, Is this typical to sit on this much money for a just in case situation?
Thanks for any and all your help
Derrick
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Evan Dyson, Student/Intern
Harrisonburg | VA | United States | Posted: 9:30 PM on 03.22.06
->> Hey Derrick,
I'm the new photo editor for The Breeze, a 9000 circulation student run paper put out twice weekly for James Madison University here in Harrisonburg, Virginia. We're not so hot in the gear department either, and I can't remember it all but I'll give you what comes to mind. Some of my numbers might be off because I'm not staring in the cabinet, but here's the rough idea.

Our pool gear is all nikon. And I forgot to mention that our staff is roughly the same size as yours, many of us use our own gear.

Pool Cameras:
3 or 4 D100s with grips
2 D70
1 D1, 1 D1x (both of these are currently obsolete as they have no batteries or battery chargers ***donations anyone?????***)
We also have the point and shoot bucket of gear. I call it a doorstop.

Lighting:
1 or 2 SB-600s
2 SB-28s (though I'm not sure of their functionality, people always grab the 600s)
We have no stadium lighting or pocket wizards and are not permitted to use on camera flashes in these venues, and I do not believe remotes are an option either. Another campus photography outlet has pocket wizard strobes in the basketball courts, but we can't use them or afford our own.

Glass:
3 80-200mm 2.8
2 300mm 2.8
couple 85mm, 50mm, 35-70mm
1 24mm
1 16mm

We shot film until 2002 or so... so this equipment was acquired since then.

No idea about your financial situation.

If you need any other particulars shoot me an email or give me a call.
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Zach Honig, Student/Intern, Photographer
Columbia | MO | USA | Posted: 11:12 PM on 03.22.06
->> You guys should be thankful for what you do have. At The Maneater, all our photogs use their own gear. I believe the paper owns one camera - a CoolPix 4600.
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Evan Dyson, Student/Intern
Harrisonburg | VA | United States | Posted: 11:51 PM on 03.22.06
->> I'm definately thankful that shooters without much of their own stuff can use ours. I think it's great. I didn't mean my post as negative as it might have seemed.

Can you tell us a little about your paper Zach? How often does it come out and anything else you might want to share?
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Mike Last, Student/Intern, Photographer
London | Ontario | Canada | Posted: 11:52 PM on 03.22.06
->> Holy hell some lucky schools in here. I'm at an 11,000 circ, 4 times published per week paper and the gear run down is:

2 Canon 20D's (One with a grip)
1 17-40 f4L
1 28-80 cheap zoom
1 70-300 cheap zoom
2 256meg Lexar CFs
2 32meg Canon CFs

That is all that is shared between 3 photo editors. I'm just a volunteer currently and applying to a photo editor position next year. Yeah photo editor is the name they give to the photographers who do their own editing. Don't ask me.
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Derrick Tuskan, Student/Intern, Photographer
San Diego | Ca | USA | Posted: 12:02 AM on 03.23.06
->> thanks for the help so far,
for clarity, the other question about the cash reserve was to the availability of getting money for gear, my current EIC wont even buy the paper a memomry card without a long debate and begging period let alone new gear, that is why i was curious about that, not necessarly saying they should spend it all on photo, but that would be nice, maybe in a perfect world
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Evan Dyson, Student/Intern
Harrisonburg | VA | United States | Posted: 12:13 AM on 03.23.06
->> I know the feeling, Derrick. We're in the process of writing our wish-list for next year to the powers that be. Are you a student run publication or is your EIC an adult? Either way, here are some theories. 1- if your EIC is young, he or she may not know how to handle such finances and would rather not have to deal with them, because they do not have a concept of what they can and cannot spend. 2- if you EIC is older, he or she may simply be in a pattern of savings and though you could benefit from the gear, they belief that a large savings collection could compensate for unforseable financial difficulties in the future. I know that might not give you much peace of mind, but just some ideas I'm throwing out there.

Also, I forgot to mention that half of our gear was a generous donation earlier this year from photographer Stephen Jaffe on behalf of IMF. That really helped us out a lot.
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Matthew Sharpe, Student/Intern
Oxford | MS | | Posted: 12:24 AM on 03.23.06
->> Y'all have it pretty damn good compared to us. I'm the photo editor of The Daily Mississippian at Ole Miss (5x per week, 15k circulation). I started off last summer with:

1 D1X
1 D1H
1 D70
2 D1
3 SD28 flashes
3 70-200mm f/2.8
3 16-35mm
1 50mm

Since then, one of the 70-200mm has broken and the D70's shutter broke after maybe 10k frames. And the 50mm is actually the property of a previous photo editor. The first mistake was using Nikon. Shooting baseball, football or basically any lecture around here is hindered with 200mm being the extent of my reach. So I broke down and bought myself a 300mm f/2.8, a teleconverter and a 20D. That coupled with a cheap wide angle and a cheap 50mm trump anything the school provides.

I would suggest at least another 20D/30D and a wider wide angle to make up for the 1.6x.
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Zach Honig, Student/Intern, Photographer
Columbia | MO | USA | Posted: 12:29 AM on 03.23.06
->> Evan-

Our paper comes out every Tuesday and Friday while school is in session and twice during the summer with a distribution of around 9,000. We have photographers that come and go throughout the semester but a few regulars. Photogs and reporters are paid the same per assignment - $10 I believe. All our funding comes from advertising revenue and I know we have a "rainy day" account but it's significantly smaller than that of the Daily Aztec. The Missouri School of Journalism has Nikon equipment that photo students can check out and I know some borrow gear to shoot assignments. I believe all the photographers own their own gear as well though some shoot film. I don't have the budget in front of me so I'm not certain of exact numbers, but I don't think we'll be able to purchase any equipment in the near future.

It would certainly be more convenient if we did, and it would enable non photo-j majors to get some experience shooting.

-Zach
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Wade Barker, Student/Intern, Photographer
College Station | TX | USA | Posted: 1:18 AM on 03.23.06
->> We seem to have about the same situation. I work for our campus paper at Texas A&M, circulation 22,000, published 5 days a week. We have 10 staff members plus an editor. We all shoot Canon and our pool gear is Canon as well. Eight out of the ten photographers and our editor all own cameras. They vary from a Rebel to a MKIIN.

Pool gear consists of:
(2) 10D's
(2) 19-35 Tokinas
(1) 70-200 IS
(1) 300 IS
(2) 580EX's
Couple of Lexar CF cards

Wish our EIC would buy us some strobes to use in our arena, you guys are lucky. Stuff takes forever to go through all the necessary channels to be fixed here or to buy something here as well.

-Wade
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Louie Traub, Student/Intern, Photographer
Las Vegas | NV | United States | Posted: 3:31 AM on 03.23.06
->> Hey Derrick,
I'm the photo editor at the UNLV Rebel Yell, 4 hours up the I-15 from ya! I can't believe all these other schools have all this gear. We've got nothing at all. I use all my own stuff and do most of the assignments as well. We're a bi-weekly, but I've only got a staff of three under me. And all those guys have are P&S cameras! So, while I wish I could have one of our 28,000+ students walk in with an SLR wanting to shoot to increase the quality of the paper and photos, I just got to take what I've got during this experience. Two months left there. Since you guys are a daily and have what appears to be an extremely large staff, I'd see what they could do for some more gear for you guys. These schools have deep pockets and I'm sure it wouldn't be too much to ask to invest in some gear.
By the way, sweet shots on your page. Nice seeing some other MWC action!
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Michael P. King, Student/Intern, Photographer
Athens | OH | USA | Posted: 9:26 AM on 03.23.06
->> Derrick,

First, you say the Aztec is not university-owned. Is it financially independent of the university? Editorially independent of the university? Both? These can have some different effects on the funding and financial standings of your paper.

$250,000 might sound like a lot for a rainy-day. For an individual that's a pretty nice amount.

But for a newsroom department or entire newsroom operation (you didn't specify) – quite frankly – it's not that much. Hopefully everything is insured... ahem... like equipment and computers, etc. Unfortunately, insurance is still overlooked by some operations, even some actual dailies. So if existing property is damaged/lost/stolen, it will need to be replaced. Lawsuits happen. Hopefully there's some insurance against that, but... that's not always the case. What if the press (assuming Aztec has one) breaks down and repairs/replacement needs to be made, or maybe switch to a commercial printer for some time. And sometimes bribe and ransom money is needed... err... wait...

These are rainy days. Not having the ideal amount of photo equipment, in eyes of editors, is not. From their stance, if satisfactory photographs are being made under the system status quo, why spend?

My point is: There's a lot of overhead to a news operation... even relatively small ones like yours... and to compound it, a nickel won't buy a hershey's bar anymore ($250,000 won't buy what it used to either). Go ahead: spec out exactly what you want to buy for one photographer – down to every battery, card, strap, card reader, and software license. Add up the amount. Multiply by how many photographers you want to buy for. Add the price of pool equipment (large glass, strobes, etc). It adds up really darn quickly and will begin to really cut into that quarter-Mil that your editor has. And then what if other departments want more/newer stuff for themselves... bye-bye rainy day fund. It turns into a landslide of spending.

And then when the *actual* rainy day comes, the operation will be in a world of hurt and panic.

Equipment expenses, whether for maintenance or upgrade/replacement, need to be **planned** well ahead of time, and *built into the budget*... not seen as an expense that comes up.

Furthermore... I'm not going to tell you how to do your job... that's certainly not my place... but if I was managing 14 photographers, 10 of which are vol./unpaid and technically not on my payroll, that's only 4 staff shooters, and you've listed 4 working camera bodies. Glass should probably be the primary concern for these four photographers. Are you worrying about your volunteer shooters? I personally don't think you can afford to. Does a daily newspaper worry about the gear freelancers/independent contractors have? Nope.

Just my thoughts,
--MK
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Preston Mack, Photographer
Orlando | FL | USA | Posted: 10:07 AM on 03.23.06
->> Wow, when I was in college (University of Miami) I think the only gear set aside for the newspaper was a Nikon F3, an 85mm and a 300 2.8.
I think the Ibis yearbook had an Nikon 8008 and another 300 2.8.
Thats all...
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Ron Scheffler, Photographer
Hamilton (Toronto area) | Ontario | Canada | Posted: 12:55 PM on 03.23.06
->> What kind of gear do you want/need?

Would it be possible to discuss with your EIC (out of curiosity, what does EIC stand for?) the possibility of selling some of the old gear and use the cash towards new equipment? I believe you should at least sell the Canon MF 300 2.8. If all of your photographers are digital, none of them can use that lens. Maybe also the Nikon if the Nikon users don't disagree. Is there any other old stuff kicking around? Darkroom equipment, enlargers, etc.? Depending on the situation with your photographers, it might work best to shift the equipment pool more towards decent lenses than cameras. If each photographer can provide a camera, then they could benefit from a better selection of lenses. If this makes sense, selling the 10Ds could be an option. It probably wouldn't be a wise move to totally eliminate all cameras since there will certainly be some who need to use those. Two would probably be a good number to keep on hand.

I'd look into buying some wide glass, like maybe the 10-22 zoom for the EF-S mount cameras (though I think it won't work with the 10D bodies and not sure about the first generation Rebel, hence another reason to sell those, or get something like the 17-40 if your photographers aren't using EF-S compatible cameras).

You need to determine what the most in demand equipment is. Is it the cameras or the lenses? Perhaps a second 70-200 non IS would be helpful when you have a couple photographers covering one sporting event, etc.
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Saul Loeb, Photographer
Phoenix | AZ | USA | Posted: 1:48 PM on 03.23.06
->> EIC = editor in chief
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Brent Drinkut, Photographer
Frankfort | IN | USA | Posted: 4:44 PM on 03.23.06
->> Well since I have only been out of college for 3 months now I can comment on what we had while I was still in school. I was editor at The Purdue Exponent a 20,000 monday-friday circ paper. I hear they are getting some new gear soon (figures since I left) but this is what they had while I was still in school.

3 Nikon D1h bodies
12-24 (or something similar)
2- 80-200 lenses (1 push/pull)
300 f/4 (which was stolen apprently)
80-400 f/it better be full sun
3- 28-80 or around that range
SB 800
SB 28

I had my own gear so thats what I can best remember.
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Kirby Yau, Photographer
El Cajon | CA | USA | Posted: 1:49 PM on 03.24.06
->> Sell all your stuff and covert all to Nikon!!!!!
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Kirby Yau, Photographer
El Cajon | CA | USA | Posted: 1:51 PM on 03.24.06
->> Welcome to SS.com by the way.
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Julian Jenkins, Photographer
Meridian | ID | USA | Posted: 1:57 PM on 03.24.06
->> Nice one Kirby- Way to stay neutral.
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Kirby Yau, Photographer
El Cajon | CA | USA | Posted: 2:12 PM on 03.24.06
->> Before I get banned or strung up on the gallows. I was Derrick's precessor and I was one of two Nikon shooters on staff or eight.
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Pouya Dianat, Student/Intern, Photographer
College Park | MD | USA | Posted: 2:18 PM on 03.24.06
->> Hey Derrick-

I'm the M.E. at The Diamondback at the University of Maryland - 17,000/5 times a week. First of all, 250,000 in the bank is nothing...The DBK has nearly 4 million laying around for a rainy day - more like monsoon season if you ask me.

Second, we recently made some calls to our peer schools, UNC, UCLA, UT, etc etc. Right now we have a D2Hs, 70-200 VR, 17-35 that ten staff photographers fight over. Three of us have our own personal equipment. From what we gathered the vast majority of the other papers had 3 bodies, several wide zooms like the 17-35 or 17-55 and always a few 70-200s and in most cases anywhere from 2-4 pieces of long glass - a 300 or 400.

We're making a budget request/demand for 2 D200s (I shoot Canon and that camera is still great), a 200 f/2, a 400 f/2.8, some 1.4, and 1.7 TCs and a 17-55 f/2.8 - plus the usual cards and such. I also have a set of strobes, a buncha pocketwizards, stands, magic arms, studio backdrops.

Hope this helps. Oh by the way, it helps your sales pitch tons to take a list of what other people have from my experience. A lot of college newspapers have the culture that photographers bring their own gear to the game - that's one that needs to change, imo.

-P
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Kelly Calligan, Student/Intern
San Diego | CA | USA | Posted: 3:34 PM on 03.24.06
->> Never Kirby, never! Canon all the way. =)
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Glenn Connelly, Student/Intern
San Diego | CA | United States | Posted: 1:06 AM on 03.25.06
->> (3) 1DmkIIn's
(1) 600 f4
(1) 400 2.8
(1) 200 1.8
(2) 70-200 2.8
(2) 135 f2
(1) 85 1.2
(2) 24-70
(2) 16-35
(2) 15 FE
AND all the other associated goodies...like 10GB in memory, and for gods sake a new monopod!

HAHAH

Thanks Derrick see what you can do...lol
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Glenn Connelly, Student/Intern
San Diego | CA | United States | Posted: 2:10 AM on 03.25.06
->> Oh and a Bigger gear closet...
All joking aside i say we really need lenses, AT LEAST a 16-35, and a new 24-70 plus the 28-70 thats falling apart needs to get repaired aswell. Maybe another 70-200 and another body like a 30D. Id like to get grips on the cameras as well, and maybe more memory...Anywho im sure we'll figure it out.
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Josh Bachman, Student/Intern
Las Cruces | NM | United States | Posted: 3:37 AM on 03.25.06
->> Hey Im Josh Bachman photo editor at the Round up at New Mexico state University, we put out our paper twice weekly. dont remember the circulation anyway we have a run down d1 and a 50 mm. The other two photogs and I use our own gear. I use the d1 once in a while but yeah thats our gear run down.
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Peter Chee, Student/Intern
Corvallis | OR | USA | Posted: 3:27 PM on 03.26.06
->> Having good equipment on hand in the photo office has been a real blessing for photogs at the Barometer (Oregon State University). I don't think any of the current photographers own their own equipment. I shoot with my Nikon D50 sometimes, it holds up very well. I run a pretty stripped down system, shooting assignments with the D50 and a simple 1.8 set 50mm lens.

Our current equipment lineup includes:
1 d2h
5 d1h's
2 d70's

For glass we have: We have more, but I can't recall ...
1 300mm 2.8
1 80-200mm 2.8
1 70-200mm VR 2.8
1 18-55mm 2.8
1 set 50mm 1.4
1 20-35mm 2.8

Flashes: an SB-800 and a number of others we slave to it.

Graduation's coming up for me real soon, and this ridiculous watering hole of equipment and lenses is going away for me. Then the cost of outfitting on my own is going to hit me like a 500-pound anvil.

The newspaper here is totally a place for folks to come and learn about how news and PJ works. I know I wouldn't have been able to learn this much without the ease of having such good equipment on hand. I'm just hoping i find a way to put all this knowledge to good use after school.
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Peter Hoffman, Student/Intern, Photo Editor
Naperville | IL | U.S. | Posted: 3:04 AM on 07.13.06
->> I'm (well not since finishing college this summer) the photo editor for the Daily Illini, University of Illinois' paper. It's an independent (non-university owned) publication, 5 days a week plus usually a supplement every week or so. We run about 25,000. I had a staff of about 12 with 2 kids having pretty much a complete professional set up and a few other photogs with their own d70 body.

Here's what we have (shared with yearbook and Buzz Arts magazine photographers)

4 D1h's
2 d100's
3 17-35 2.8
3 80-200 2.8
1 24mm 2.8
2 28-80 3.3-5.6 cheap lenses
2 sb-80 flashes
1 sb-50 flash
3 White lighting studio strobes in the newsroom
300 mm 2.8 Af (the old kind)

Believe it or not we still had problems with people having gear. I usually had 2-4 people out shooting on a given day.
I remember one time I had to yank an 80-200 from an unhappy yearbook dude at one of the basketball games...our paper is given priority among the other publications.

I have a meeting with the publisher tomorrow to get some more gear, hope it works out.

Good luck with getting some funding, it's a worthwhile investment.

I think it's necessary to have some decent stuff, because that is how people will learn how to use it. We don't have a PJ major here so if you want to learn your route is through the DI. Few more weeks till I have no access to any of this anymore either....ouch.
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Jonathan Palmer, Photographer
Decatur | AL | United States | Posted: 4:21 AM on 07.13.06
->> Derrick
You guys are very fortunate to have such a pool at the University of Kentucky we have a sony Mavica and a 13 flash i bought and donated to the paper. We are a 20,000 daily so count your lucky stars bro. From what you say you guys have 5D's sound like the logical choice you have those 28-_____ and on a 20, 10D that is a lot of magnification. Also you will be on the same battery system with the 5D. The only thing you may really need is a 8 FPS camera for outdoor sports.
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Stew Milne, Photographer
Providence | RI | USA | Posted: 9:45 AM on 07.13.06
->> I second Preston's remarks. Back when I was the photo editor at the Texas A&M newspaper (94-97), we had one Nikon 8008 and a 300/2.8. All the photogs used their own equipment, since we were all shooting Canon. Only one photog shot Nikon. So it
was fun if you were covering a football game with the pool
nikon 300 and your own Canon gear at the same time.

You should all feel very lucky that you have as much pool gear as you do.

Anyway, back to Derrick's question. You should ask for some more lenses. Don't worry about digital bodies. I think most photogs can supply their own digital bosies. If not, you have a few in the pool closet. Stress to your EIC the importance of buying quality gear (not off brand) as it will last longer and take a beating better. Plus the investment in lenses makes more sense over buying digital bodies every two years. I still use my 70-200/2.8 that I bought in college, and if we were still a film world, I'd be using my Canon 1N as well. I actually used it the other day as a client insisted on me shooting film.

Wade: as I remember, the Batt (student newspaper) always had the latest in computer gear too. I hope that's still the same.

-sM
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Darren Whitley, Photographer
Maryville | MO | USA | Posted: 10:28 AM on 07.13.06
->> At Kansas State we supplied our own equipment. We got $20 compensation per month if we made the staff quota of 20 images a month. We put out a five day a week paper and year book from a staff of about 6-8 photographers. Some were more fulltime shooters than others so the amount of gear a student possessed really depended on how serious they were. It wasn't until digital cameras were $5,000 that they had a pool camera. But now with the price so low, I'm certain the old pool camera may not even be used anymore. My opinion is learn to do more with less. That way you'll be prepared to use your mind first and camera second.
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Kristin Nichols, Student/Intern, Photographer
Gainesville | FL | USA | Posted: 6:39 PM on 07.13.06
->> Wow... yeah, at the Alligator (Univ of Florida - although it's independently run, it's still student-run, daily, with a circulation of supposedly 35,000) it's entirely the photographer's own gear. There's an "equipment fund" jar but last I was there in the spring it was more the "coke machine fund" jar. ;)

Most of the photogs are unpaid... I think there are 2-3 of us on payroll, and it's not much more than a bit of compensation. It's pretty much just done for experience and for the love of covering the student community, and I think the fact that the photo department is both extremely accepting of anyone who shows promise and drive as well as fairly limited in who gets that official 'staff' title is part of the reason there's no pool gear - it's somewhat of a revolving door situation, and I think there was at one point a longer lens and it just "wandered away" (didn't know the Nikon ones came with legs!).

That said, I would love to have a decent lighting kit to use among the staff. I'm on hiatus from the Alligator at the moment on an internship and having lights available is such a treat. :)
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Andrew Villa, Student/Intern, Photographer
Dublin | CA | United States | Posted: 12:48 AM on 07.14.06
->> At Las Positas Community College we are a Bi-weekly news paper and we have a D70, 18-70, and a 70-300 zoom. But the two of us that are photographers provide our own gear.
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Cory Johnson, Student/Intern
Tuscaloosa | AL | USA | Posted: 11:02 AM on 07.18.06
->> I bakcup what others have said: consider yourself blessed with what you have, I am photo editor of the Crimson White at the University of Alabama and all they have is ONE point and shoot, we all use our own equipment. Thankfully I am changing to a job with the University where I will have a lot more pool stuff.
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Ryon Graf, Student/Intern
Irvine | CA | USA | Posted: 4:33 PM on 07.18.06
->> I'm a staff photog at the New University Newspaper at UC Irvine. We are also completely student-run and get no funding from the school. We are a 40-50 page newspaper that comes out every monday. Circulation: 12,000

Our pool gear consists of:
(2) d70's
(1) 300 2.8
(2) 80-200 (one push/pull)
(1) 18-70
(3) crappy p&s cameras


About half of our photogs own their own stuff. I shoot Canon personally. We usually dont have gear problems in terms of availability.

Consider yourselves blessed in terms of gear. You already have plenty.

ZOT!
-Ryon
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David Wang, Student/Intern, Photographer
Philadelphia | PA | USA | Posted: 5:05 PM on 07.18.06
->> At the Daily Pennsylvanian, we're a ~20 page paper that comes out five times a week. Completely student-run, financed through ads, print circulation ~15K. From what I can see, we're one of the lucky ones, but [insert cliche of your choice about equipment not being the pinnacle of importance]. Since you've asked, here it is, off the top of my head (NS=needs to be serviced):

(1) D200
(4) D1H
(2) D2H, 1 NS
(2) D2Hs, both NS
(3) 12-24 f/4
(1) 14 f/2.8
(3) 17-35 f/2.8
(3) 50 f/1.4
(1) 50 f/1.8
(1) 85 f/1.4, NS
(1) 80-200 f/2.8 AF
(3) 80-200 f/2.8 AF-S
(2) 70-200 f/2.8 VR, 1 NS
(2) 300 f/2.8 AF
(1) 300 f/2.8 AF-S, NS
(1) set of Pocket Wizard/magic clamps
(2) 1.4x TC
(1) 2.0x TC
(2) SB800
(3) older flashes of various models

We have three photo editors giving up something like 8 hours a day earning the industry standard
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