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March 2006 - 1D still worth picking up?
Seh Suan Ngoh, Photographer
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Singapore | SG | Singapore | Posted: 11:35 AM on 03.14.06 |
->> Hi Folks,
Would like to check with you guys, if the 1D is still worth in every sense in terms of AF, ISO noise, lack of zoom etc, to be picked up as a main workhorse body? I'm turning fulltime freelance now; but the other two options were:
1. 10D w/ BG-ED3 Grip
2. 20D w/ BG-E2 Grip
3. 1D Mk II N (BIG MONEY!)
I had a hard time really deciding, and definitely can't get the Mk II N at this moment, but feel really limited by the 1.6x sensor crop of the 10D/20D/30D... so I seem to be left with the choice of a 1D. Does it make a technically sound choice? I do know of at least one friend who seem to have a particular preference for a 1D for the 1/500 X-sync speed, but I'm moreso limited by budget. Any viewpoints would be greatly appreciated. Thanks! ;-) |
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john taggart, Photographer, Photo Editor
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Philadelphia | PA | USA | Posted: 11:43 AM on 03.14.06 |
| ->> yes i love both of mine and i will never sell them! |
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Michael Stevens, Photographer
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Phoenix | AZ | USA | Posted: 11:49 AM on 03.14.06 |
->> Money aside I think the biggest issue between all of those is noise. The 1D & 10D have similar amounts of noise while the 1D2n and 20D have much less noise. If you shoot a lot of indoor events at 800/1600/3200 I would say the 20D is the better choice. It won't be as fast as the 1D but the lack of noise might make it worth it.
Mike |
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Adam Hemphill, Photographer, Student/Intern
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Willimantic | CT | US | Posted: 1:35 PM on 03.14.06 |
| ->> Yes. I wish I still had mine. |
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Chuong Doan, Photographer
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Kansas City | MO | USA | Posted: 1:55 PM on 03.14.06 |
| ->> I no longer own one, but when I use Photomechanic to browse through my files, I can pick out the 1D photos from the thumbnails alone. The color is distinctive (to my liking), and they're extremely sharp. Its the best damn 4 megapixels you can get. |
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Michael Hickey, Photographer
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Kokomo | IN | United States | Posted: 2:19 PM on 03.14.06 |
->> Flash sync speed, overall sharpness, make them priceless to me.
If I had one, I'd gladly use it for low ISO stuff. |
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Peter Lockley, Photographer
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Washington | DC | usa | Posted: 3:27 PM on 03.14.06 |
->> I like the 1D if you are shooting ambient light and primarily sports. The 10D is almost worthless, and the 20D is probably a better studio/news/feature camera.
I never noticed much noise on my 1D, and I would usually shoot in the 1000-1250 iso range. My one complaint is that the battery life on the 1D is fairly short (in comparison to the Mark II at least). |
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Sam Adams, Student/Intern, Photographer
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Ventura | CA | USA | Posted: 4:28 PM on 03.14.06 |
| ->> Like everyone else, i love both of mine and have no intentions of selling or buying any new camera anytime soon. You can't go wrong with this camera. However, like Peter said the battery life isn't great, so stock up on some extra batteries. |
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David Griffin, Photographer, Photo Editor
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Concord | NC | USA | Posted: 7:49 PM on 03.14.06 |
->> and I still have mine up for sell in the classifieds to any sportsshooter member!
:) |
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Seh Suan Ngoh, Photographer
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Singapore | SG | Singapore | Posted: 8:27 PM on 03.14.06 |
->> Thanks fellow shooters... that pretty sums up my decision then!
Peter! Please don't make me want to ditch my 10D! That's the only body I'm working with right now! ;)
Are there any other documents online that I really ought to know about the 1D, quirks etc? |
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andrew wilz, Photographer
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Aspen | CO | usa | Posted: 8:36 PM on 03.14.06 |
->> i LOVE mine as well... I like the smaller file sizes when shooting things that don't require the MkII size or larger. You can interpolate the living s&*t out of things and if you shoot it sharp with the 1d, it'll look great with plug-ins like the FM Stair interp. program as well as others. Canon argued once that it wasn't the number of pixels, but rather the QUALITY of them. I find that there's some truth to that...
What do you NEED the body for? Are you shooting FAST moving sports? Are you doing weddings?... There have been some mentions of the 20d/MkIIn bein low-noise... The 1d is NOT low-noise at higher ISO... in fact.. once you get above around 400 or so, things get pretty darn noisy, and you have to start thinking about noise-software.. Unless you enjoy that peach-fuzz look in all your images.
The autofocus on the 1d is totally ridiculous. FAST, accurate.. a dream come true. There's a HUGE difference between a pro and a pro-sumer body.. don't let anyone kid you into thinking that there's not. Sometimes it's the difference between getting and not getting a shot. Can you afford to miss shots?
Stop thinking so much about your budget, and think about what you require to get the job done.
Befriend you local banker, and get them used to you asking for lines of credit. Gear isn't everything, but if you're being held back BY your gear (or lack of...), then it's a problem..
sabe? |
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Mark Buffalo, Photographer
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Lonoke | AR | USA | Posted: 9:57 PM on 03.14.06 |
->> I don't want to get this off topic, but I've had my 10D for almost 2 years. I totally love this camera. Granted, it doesn't have the best autofocus in the world but the files look good and I don't have any complaints.
The 10D is still a good camera. I can't complain (at least not too much) :)
Mark |
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Greg Ferguson, Photographer
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Scottsdale | Az | USA | Posted: 10:01 PM on 03.14.06 |
->> I have both the 20D and 1D bodies.
The 1D is my primary body. I love how it feels and the image quality in RAW is great. Battery life could be better, but the 3rd party replacement batteries last about 2x as long as Canon's so I'm content. For daylight shooting, or when I've got flashes to keep the ISO down then it's awesome.
The 20D is great when I am shooting in low light, as long as there's enough light to keep the focus working. It's not as fast to focus as the 1D, and I don't think it's as accurate in low-light. The bigger images are nice - I almost never use RAW on the 20D because the jpegs are so big and nice looking.
Yeah, there's been times I'd rather have the 1DMk2 for the pro body with the big quiet sensor, but I've got a great action body in the 1D, with a nice backup in the 20D. |
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Barbara Perenic, Photographer
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Laramie | WY | USA | Posted: 10:38 PM on 03.14.06 |
->> I shoot with a 20D for my "still" stuff... portraits, news, or anything going on the cover of the entertainment section and demanding a huge file size.
Last year I got a 1D on the recommendation of a wise friend and mentor and I haven't looked back where my sports assignments are concerned. The focus is insanely fast and accurate and you can get around the noise problems (don't underexpose!). The 500th flash sync is sweet and the build of the camera is SO much more solid than the 10D or 20D.
You can pick up a 1D fairly inexpensively these days and I think you'll like it. I'll grab the 20D for really low-lit sports... wrestling, volleyball... but the 1D is my sweetheart.
Then again, want to make me an offer on a well-cared-for, very slightly used 10D with a grip? :) I'm selling mine soon.
Cheers, Barbara |
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Jeff Stanton, Photographer
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Tucson | Az | USA | Posted: 12:00 AM on 03.15.06 |
->> If you're shooting sports, stay away from the 10D. It's a good camera as long as your subjects aren't moving too fast.
I owned a 20D as well and found the noise much more acceptable. But the 1D is still champion in my book. It's a real workhorse, syncs at 500 sec., and Andrew Wilz said it best, you can interpol the s--- out of the images and they hold together very well. The noise is definitely not as good on it, but if you're looking for a pro camera without busting your budget, the 1D is still a very good choice, as is the Nikon D1H. |
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David Stoner, Photographer
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Atlanta | GA | USA | Posted: 12:29 AM on 03.15.06 |
| ->> For what it's worth, my opinion is that it's a flat-out AWESOME body to go with...only upended by the 1DmIIn b/c of the battery savings and better size file choices on the newer body...but the 1D is just outstanding in all facets. I have one still as my backup, and I quiver at the thought of ridding it for something other than a 1DmIIn. In short, you can hardly go wrong. |
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Tony Rawlings, Photographer
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Foothill Ranch (Irvine) | CA | US | Posted: 12:58 AM on 03.15.06 |
| ->> I've gotten some nice prints up to 20x30. I'm still amazed it was produced from a 4 meg chip. I still get reprints made for clients (shot with the 1D) so that's all that matters. |
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Eric Jones, Photographer
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Greenville | NC | USA | Posted: 6:51 AM on 03.15.06 |
| ->> I know you said the 1DMIIN was out of the question right now but I just purchased one from Penn Camera for $3,699.00. I recently sold my 1DMII to help pay for the new one and after shooting some Motocross this weekend I have to say the focusing problem and sharpness have been corrected!!! |
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David Honl, Photographer
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Istanbul | , | Turkey | Posted: 7:31 AM on 03.15.06 |
->> Some of my favorite pictures were shot with a 1D (and a D30), and I still use the 1D as a backup. I call it my earthquake camera over here, as I know I can dodge falling bricks and bang it around and it still performs flawlessly. At times, the smaller file size is a blessing and has always given me great 11x14s. The 1D is a real bargain now too.
Whenever I think I need an $8000 1Ds MII, I remember back to Joe McNally's National Geographic shoot using the D1X and it knocks me back down to earth.
( http://www.robgalbraith.com/bins/multi_page.asp?cid=7-6450-6561 ) |
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Seh Suan Ngoh, Photographer
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Singapore | SG | Singapore | Posted: 7:47 AM on 03.15.06 |
| ->> Thanks guys! I just picked it up this afternoon... I'm in LOVE with the built that's like a tank! :) |
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Nacho RP, Photographer
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A Coruņa | A Coruņa | Espaņa | Posted: 7:44 AM on 03.18.06 |
->> 1D ever!!! it's an amazing 4 megas camera!!
today, i'm still work with it & no change for a MKII (for me the 4 megas of 1D are enough).
i never sell my 1D!! |
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Seh Suan Ngoh, Photographer
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Singapore | SG | Singapore | Posted: 11:02 AM on 06.16.06 |
->> Apologies for bumping up this thread after so long, but after today's short assignment in light drizzle... the (lack of) AF accuracy of the 10D is giving me a problem - when I compare the image sharpness of my photos, both with the lowest possible in-camera sharpening settings. I should have used the 1D throughout alone for the sharper AF instead. Some of my photos from the 10D, because I wanted a little more reach, are out of focus by at least 5 meters plus/minus for a subject about 20 meters away.
Talk about learning the hard way. |
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