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Nikon D2H CHA error message??
Jeffrey Furticella, Photographer, Assistant
Muncie | IN | US | Posted: 10:51 PM on 03.04.06
->> Well, one of the worst case photographer scenarios happened to me tonight. In the last minute of a sectional championship ball game, my D2H surprised me with a big fat CHA in the frame counter. Thing wouldn't fire, wouldn't let me turn on the back screen, wouldn't do anything. I turned it off and all the settings still showed on top. Pulled the battery and did manage to get it to fire a few frames, but it was as if they were shot at an 1/8 of a second, not 1/250, and the card didn't even record them anyway. Soon enough, this even stopped happening and once again the camera was just a paperweight. The only thing I found on the boards about this was that you should format your cards. I formatted the card right before shooting, had the battery well charged enough, and did everything else I'd normally do to minimize catastrophe. Does anyone know what causes this to happen? Is this a card-related problem (i'm using lexar cards) or a camera problem? Thanks in advance for any help or suggestions.

-Furt
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Jeffrey Furticella, Photographer, Assistant
Muncie | IN | US | Posted: 11:14 PM on 03.04.06
->> Update: I think I just answered my own question to a degree. With the card out of the camera, it sometimes shoots and sometimes doesn't. Also, the shutter will fire considerably slower than the set speed. I couldn't get the monitor to turn on for the life of me, but when it finally did, it completely scrambled out like as if you turned on your computer and it was infected with a virus. Obviously, something happened to the camera between Thursday (when it worked perfectly, as well as every day before that this past week) and today. So I guess my new question is, can a cf card do this kind of damage to a camera, or did something in the camera just randomly die out? I'm going to take it to Calumet photo tomorrow to have it looked at, just thought I'd see if anyone else has experienced this or knows what may cause a camera to do this (outside of crazy technology). Thanks a lot.

-Furt
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George Bridges, Photographer, Photo Editor
Washington | DC | USA | Posted: 1:40 AM on 03.05.06
->> Someimtes the CHA error is because of a bad card and sometimes its a major camera crash.

Unfortunately, these are both technology failures and there is no way to really prevent it or predict it.

Sometimes things (even very expensive things) break.
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Ian Hitchcock, Photographer
Townsville | Qld | Australia | Posted: 1:45 AM on 03.05.06
->> Hey mate, I had the same error message on my D1H and D100 however I believe it is the card it is a 1gig sandisk ultra 2. Don't have any issues with the others. every now and again it will pop up with CHA and you can't do anything except re format, the computer won't recognise the card either when the CHA message comes up.
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Chuck Steenburgh, Photographer, Photo Editor
Lexington | VA | USA | Posted: 12:12 PM on 03.05.06
->> Just had this exact same thing happen with my D2H last night. Been there, done that with my D1.

There are a number of possible causes, but one of the most likely is damage caused from erratic behavior due to a low battery. This is common to just about all cameras.

If you're lucky, the card is just corrupted. I just finished recovering 265 images from a corrupted card using ImageRescue (the card is a Kingston, the reader a SanDisk yet Lexar's ImageRescue works just fine) and am testing the card now byte-by-byte, but it appears to be OK. Camera works fine with a new battery.

Of course, if something is seriously wrong with the camera or card, you might have a harder time putting things back in order. But see if a freshly charged battery makes the symptoms go away; then format the card (after trying to recover the images, of course) and see if it works. My guess is that will probably fix all of your problems.
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Bastian Ehl, Photographer, Student/Intern
Magdeburg | _ | Germany | Posted: 1:56 PM on 03.05.06
->> The last time my D2H did that, my Lexar card was broken. Did you reset the camera with this tiny button in the battery compartment?
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Jeffrey Furticella, Photographer, Assistant
Muncie | IN | US | Posted: 3:17 PM on 03.05.06
->> The who with the what now? What's the battery compartment reset button?

-Furt
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Bastian Ehl, Photographer, Student/Intern
Magdeburg | _ | Germany | Posted: 5:38 PM on 03.05.06
->> I'm sorry. The battery compartment just holds the "clock battery", which can remove or replace. The reset button was with another camera.

Refering to the D2H manual, you can "reset" the camera but turning it "off". Then remove the battery (not the clock battery, the big one) and then put it back.

But as I said before, my D2H did that "cha" too and the only solution was to replace the memory card. It was an 1GB 80x Lexar card. The error and behaviour was as you described yours.

Did you try a spare card?
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Kyle Coburn, Student/Intern, Photographer
Columbia | MO | USA | Posted: 1:27 AM on 03.06.06
->> I am having this problems with a new 2gb lexar card. My other 2gb lexar doesnt do this, and non of my other cards either. I think its going to take a trip to lexar.

good luck!
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Jeffrey Furticella, Photographer, Assistant
Muncie | IN | US | Posted: 4:53 PM on 03.06.06
->> Well, I fully charged the battery, left it out of the camera for a full day, went out and bought a new sandisk ultra II card, and sure as hell the camera is still f&*(#@. No matter the shutter speed, it fires super slow, back buttons don't work, and can't get the monitor to turn on. Thanks a lot anyway for all the help guys, looks like this one just kinda bit the dust. Looks like it's back to Nikon for the second time now for this p.o.s. camera.

-Furt
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Michael Springfield, Photographer
Smyrna (Atlanta) | GA | USA | Posted: 11:58 AM on 03.07.06
->> Will it work in manual mode? Could be the dreaded meter failure. There are several symptoms that all lead to it. My meter failure didn't give me the CHA error but it just shot very slow and every frame was dark.

Michael
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Chuck Steenburgh, Photographer, Photo Editor
Lexington | VA | USA | Posted: 7:36 AM on 03.08.06
->> Jeffrey,

Sorry to hear about the camera problem.

Still, I wouldn't write off the card or the images. At $30, Lexar's Image Rescue is a tool every photographer should have, and my guess is it will recover most of the images on your "CHA" card (and probably some other images from earlier shoots) and possibly even reformat it back to health.

Chuck
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George Bridges, Photographer, Photo Editor
Washington | DC | USA | Posted: 8:36 AM on 03.08.06
->> Chuck,

When I had a CHA error related to a Lexar card the camera would not recognize the card, my Mac would not recognize it, PhotoRescue would not see it and it could not be reformatted in camera or on a Windows machine.

In other words a completely dead disk.

Lexar was good about replacing it, I had the new one within a week, but I did lose a full NHL period on a night game so I deadlines were blown out of the water. But at least it was an assignment where I could go back out and shoot more.
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David Harpe, Photographer
Louisville | KY | USA | Posted: 9:11 AM on 03.08.06
->> Did you try a different battery pack? Back when I was shooting with Nikon I ran into this and it ended up being a bad battery...
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Bob Ford, Photographer
Lehighton | Pa | USA | Posted: 9:48 AM on 03.08.06
->> My D2H gave me the CHA message with every card but one from the day I received it. Nikon said it was because I wasn't using authorized cards, so I went out and bought more cards and the same thing happened.

I sent it to Nikon and they replaced the card holder assembly and that fixed it.
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Warren Jacob Howell, Photographer
Golden | CO | US | Posted: 1:59 AM on 04.13.07
->> I just had this very same problem happen to my D2H's. Yes, two of them at the same time. So I'm blaming the card. After shooting with no problems, I attempted to download the card like all the others, but it wouldn't show up on the desktop. In fact, the SanDisk card reader just blinked several times, then shut off my usb ports on my MacBook. After several reboots, I put the card back in the camera, where I was last able to view the images. the rear screen came up with an hour glass, then the CHA Error. Now the camera won't read any cards. Just reads CHA. Then I made the mistake of putting the card in my other camera, did the same thing and now I have two dead D2H's. I've always used Ultra II Sandisk Compact Flash cards with no problems. This is a 1GB card. So now I'm sending both my cameras in for repair. I'd still like to retrieve the images on this card, but can't get anything to read it, so none of the recovery applications will help.
The Nikon Tech over the phone stated it was either the card or a blown curcuit board. I asked if a card could blow a circuit board. He said that would be very rare and has never heard of that, but with two cameras going out, one right after the other with the same disk, I'm thinking it's possible.
I'll post the results of the repair when I hear the damage.
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Ben Hasty, Photographer
Philadelphia | PA | USA | Posted: 9:12 AM on 04.13.07
->> Warren,

I've experienced some CHA problems with D1h's that we managed to solve, after many months of frustration, by resetting the camera to factory defaults.

I don't remember off the top of my head how to do it on the D2H (haven't had to do it on one of them), but on the D1H there are two green buttons on the back of the camera. If you push them both and hold them at the same time, it should reset all of your custom settings. I'm guessing it's similar for the D2.

This worked for a little while, but then the problem started up again. The next solution we discovered, which still seems to be working, was to turn off the file number sequencing. I know that this doesn't seem like it should matter, but that one change made a camera frozen with a CHA error start to work again immediately. I think it's just some combination of custom settings that created a bug.

You might want to try one or both of these things before you send out your cameras. If it doesn't work, all you've lost are your custom settings, and a few minutes of time.

-Ben
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Warren Jacob Howell, Photographer
Golden | CO | US | Posted: 5:48 PM on 04.13.07
->> Thanks Ben, I see the two green dots and it did reset the camera. But it still has the CHA. Tried on both cameras with no luck. Turned the Seq file on and off as well. The camera still focuses, just can't get it to read the any disks to shot any photos. Even after formatting them in the computer. Off to Nikon they go. Can't wait to hear the results.
And still no luck on the card. I can't get it to pull up on any computer. The card reader just blinks, then turns completely off, forcing a reboot to even see the reader again.
woj
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Warren Jacob Howell, Photographer
Golden | CO | US | Posted: 2:59 PM on 04.23.07
->> Update... Just heard back from Nikon Repair. Just as I new, it was in fact the SanDisk 1GB FlashCard. It fried the Memory Compression Circuit Board on both D2H cameras. And to confirm it was the card, they put the card into thier D100 test body and it fried that body as well.

$485 each to replace the Memory Compression Circuit Boards.

I contacted SanDisks warranty department. All they are willing to do is replace the card. They are sending a replacement card via mail and I'm to send the bad card back so they can do the research on what happened to the card.

I understand there warranty, and understand losing files, or card going bad. But for a card to cause this much damage on three camera bodies, I think that should be cause for cost of repiar. I guess that's just part of our business, and chalk it up as a loss. I do hope to get a complete explanation of the cause. I'll still continue to use SanDisk. The card is now on it's way to recovery to see if the files can even be recovered. Another $75.

woj
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